Same-Sex Marriage Unanimously Included In DNC Platform USA!

[Juan_Bottom]

Did you just call me a fucker?

See above. I responded to each of Saxi's posts with facts that support my position. He responded to those facts with things I was ready for; So when he ran out of arguments he resorted to calling me a sheep.

WHAT THE f*ck DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY TO SOMEONE WHO'S NOT ARGUING THE FACTS ANYMORE? YOU WANT ME TO PRETEND LIKE THEY'RE BEING REASONABLE AND PRETEND LIKE THEY HAVE A LEGITIMATE POSITION OR GRUDGE? YOU WANT ME TO PRETEND LIKE YOU'RE BEING REASONABLE TOO?

You didn't even read the shit above so shut up. You just think that because it's Saxi I'm automatically the bad guy. Bugger off.

[john9blue]

your posts in this thread are either defenses of barney frank or random personal attacks on people

i stand by what i said earlier in the thread: gay marriage isn't even close to being the most important issue in politics. you act like democrats are the saviors of america just because of their position on this one largely irrelevant issue. i support gay marriage, but you don't see me defending democrats, because i realize what actually matters. saxi has been posting about what actually matters despite the fact that he's been disrespectful and trollish as usual. and you seem scared to actually admit that your heroes aren't heroes.

[Haggis_McMutton]

ladies and gentlemen, the average liberal debater.

and people wonder why i criticize you fuckers instead of the conservatives.

A are bad therefore B are good.

Congratulations, I see you have graduated the scotty school of logic magna cum laude.

[Juan_Bottom]

your posts in this thread are either defenses of barney frank or random personal attacks on people

This was a celebratory thread about the Democrats standing up for equal rights, or if you'd rather; the Democrats standing up for the Constitution. Unfortunately people who know nothing about politics, including you, have chosen to hijack it and us it to attack Barney Frank, simply because he was chosen to make the announcement. He was chosen because he's gay and married, and because he's been fighting for equality for most of his career.

In 2002 he was scored at 93% by the American Civil Liberties Union on civil rights issues indicating a pro-civil rights voting record.

i stand by what i said earlier in the thread: gay marriage isn't even close to being the most important issue in politics. you act like democrats are the saviors of America just because of their position on this one largely irrelevant issue. i support gay marriage, but you don't see me defending democrats, because i realize what actually matters.

Gay rights is no more "irrelevant" than black rights or female rights. How we treat our neighbors defines us as a nation. How we choose to apply our own beloved Declaration and Bill of Rights is everlasting and important. This is not an irrelevant issue.

saxi has been posting about what actually matters despite the fact that he's been disrespectful and trollish as usual. and you seem scared to actually admit that your heroes aren't heroes.

Saxi s an Anarchist, that's why he's attacking the Dems/Barney Frank. Barney Frank is a hero.
I was just gonna let it go, but the fact that you don't even bother to fact check before attacking me and calling me the FUCKER is obnoxious and annoying. Realize JBII that Barney Frank has been fighting all the same shit that Saxi was complaining about. Obviously if I'm going to go toe-to-toe with Saxi then I have already done my homework. You should have been able to see that for yourself the way I was able to easily answer Saxi's earlier checks. I still believe that you say Saxi's name so assumed he was right and that was the side that you had to be on.
BARNEY FRANK HAS CONSISTENTLY VOTED FOR CIVIL RIGHTS, TO DECREASE MILITARY SPENDING, AGAINST THE WAR IN IRAQ, AND LIMITED INTERVENTION IN AFGHANISTAN. He's good friends with Ron Paul.
http://usliberals.about.com/od/liberall ... ayVote.htm

[Woodruff]

your posts in this thread are either defenses of barney frank or random personal attacks on people

i stand by what i said earlier in the thread: gay marriage isn't even close to being the most important issue in politics. you act like democrats are the saviors of america just because of their position on this one largely irrelevant issue. i support gay marriage, but you don't see me defending democrats, because i realize what actually matters. saxi has been posting about what actually matters despite the fact that he's been disrespectful and trollish as usual. and you seem scared to actually admit that your heroes aren't heroes.

Saxi has been posting about things that are not relevant to this thread. Most places, that would be considered trolling.

[Woodruff]

Voted Yes on Killing the People of Iraq
Voted Yes on Killing the People of Afghanistan
Voted Yes on Killing the People of Libya
Voted Yes on Killing the People of Serbia

like the Germans did before you ... there's no day of reckoning coming, I'll never be held personally responsible ...

And then you moved here from Germany. Is it your families destiny to have it's members die as citizens of every tyrannical rogue government?

ladies and gentlemen, the average liberal debater.
and people wonder why i criticize you fuckers instead of the conservatives.

We don't wonder, Mr. Moderate. We know why.

[Juan_Bottom]

GET TO THE CHOPPAH!

[PLAYER57832]

The Democrats are confident they can turn the wedge issue of traditional marriage and twist it some more until it become an extremely divisive issue in a few select states, and hold on to those seats. The national debt, our failing schools, poverty, recession/depression, the Democrats Record since 2006...none of that is being talked about, and they will have nothign to do with the election. It's all about a wedge issue.
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OK. I'll bite.. what was the top tax rate during Reagan's administration?

And, what was the percentage of hungry children during the first parts of his administration... versus the second?

[saxitoxin]

This was a celebratory thread about the Democrats standing up for equal rights,

No, "this was a celebratory thread about the Democrats standing up for whatever group will help them maintain power - then discarding said group the next day if the gravy train stops running."

Equal rights suggests rights that are equally given to all. A child whose brains have been splattered across the rocks and whose body has been pulverized into a warm mound of pulsating, brown goo has been denied his equal rights. So, objectively, Democrats do not "stand up for equal rights." Is this a discussion thread or a monologue? It seems like you were hoping for the latter.



You have become exceptionally uncomfortable, and resorted to screaming and shouting, when faced with the reality that you have just assumed personal moral guilt for savagery and slaughter. Guilt of word. Remember, the day of reckoning is inevitable.

Perhaps it's worse for the U.S. because the Yankees superior military means they'll watch the filth of western Europe get washed out first. I'm reminded of a story during fall of Constantinople and the final destruction of the last remnant of the Roman Empire in 1453, as told by the Britisher historian Sir James Runciman...

The kindness that Mehmed had shown to the Emperor's surviving ministers was of short duration. Five days after the fall of the city he gave a banquet. In the course of it, when he was well flushed with wine, someone whispered to him that the Mega-Duke Notaras's fourteen-year-old son was a boy of exceptional beauty. The Sultan at once sent a eunuch to the house of the Mega-Duke to demand that the boy be sent to him for his pleasure. Notaras, whose elder sons had been killed fighting, refused to sacrifice the boy to such a fate. Police were then sent to bring Notaras with his son and his young son-in-law, the son of the Grand Domestic Andronicus Cantacuzenus, into the Sultan's presence. When Notaras still defied the Sultan, orders were given for him and the two boys to be decapitated on the spot. Notaras merely asked that they should be slain before him, lest the sight of his death should make them waver. When they had both perished he bared his neck to the executioner.

[Juan_Bottom]

No, "this was a celebratory thread about the Democrats standing up for whatever group will help them maintain power - then discarding said group the next day if the gravy train stops running."

More American's support "discarding" gay rights than support them, so that doesn't make sense.

Equal rights suggests rights that are equally given to all. A child whose brains have been splattered across the rocks and whose body has been pulverized into a warm mound of pulsating, brown goo has been denied his equal rights. So, objectively, Democrats do not "stand up for equal rights." Is this a discussion thread or a monologue? It seems like you were hoping for the latter.

Objectively, you cannot enforce the American Constitution in other sovereign countries. It is unfortunate and sad that children die in conflict zones. It's sad that America is involved in those combat zones and therefor shares some of the responsibility for their deaths.
But that does not mean that we cannot praise Democrats for gay rights or separate the issues.

You have become exceptionally uncomfortable, and resorted to screaming and shouting, when faced with the reality that you have just assumed personal moral guilt for savagery and slaughter. Guilt of word. Remember, the day of reckoning is inevitable.

There is consent in your silence. I've not heard of a Saxi running for office or some shit, and you chose to move to the United States. If you believe me responsible for death and destruction then surely you must share my blame.
There has not been a moment where I've been worried about what you would respond with, because I already knew what you'd say. I already knew my rebuttals and controlled the discussion of Barney Frank's record, which you were forced to abandon without admitting that you were wrong. Of course, bombing civilians overseas has nothing to do with Gay Rights, so I've never connected the issues as you have. I will continue to keep them separate in my responses. It's makes it easier to be in the right when you can discuss things issue by issue.

Perhaps it's worse for the U.S. because the Yankees superior military means they'll watch the filth of western Europe get washed out first. I'm reminded of a story during fall of Constantinople and the final destruction of the last remnant of the Roman Empire in 1453, as told by the great British historian Sir James Runciman...

I'm not sure what kind of trap this is. You're reinforcing my position that you're just an Anarchist unable to accept that Governments can do some good... this has got to be a trap.

[Phatscotty]

ladies and gentlemen, the average liberal debater.

and people wonder why i criticize you fuckers instead of the conservatives.

A are bad therefore B are good.

Congratulations, I see you have graduated the scotty school of logic magna cum laude.

Just because I am stopping evil does not make me a Republican!

[saxitoxin]

Equal rights suggests rights that are equally given to all. A child whose brains have been splattered across the rocks and whose body has been pulverized into a warm mound of pulsating, brown goo has been denied his equal rights. So, objectively, Democrats do not "stand up for equal rights." Is this a discussion thread or a monologue? It seems like you were hoping for the latter.

Objectively, you cannot enforce the American Constitution in other sovereign countries.

People have a right to keep their heads attached to their bodies regardless of what your precious constitution says.

It is unfortunate and sad that children die in conflict zones.

LOL. An eloquent attempt at minimizing the atrocities committed by the man you are helping, by word and deed, empower. An adult who gives a known murderer a gun shares guilt with the murderer. You are guilty, Juan. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.

Obama's murderous drone campaign is fuelling terror
From Pakistan to Somalia, CIA-controlled pilotless aircraft rain down Hellfire missiles on an ever-expanding hit list of terrorist suspects – they have already killed hundreds, perhaps thousands, of civilians in the process.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ign-terror

Remember, the day of reckoning is coming. It always does. You can't escape history. The world doesn't care that Ellen and Portia had a fun million dollar wedding when their children are being turned into pulsating mounds of brown goo. Do you ever wonder if you were to visit Pakistan or Yemen or Bahrain and confidently declare you were an Obama voter, what type of reception you might receive? The world hates you. They hate you. You. Personally.

[Juan_Bottom]

LOL. An eloquent attempt at minimizing the atrocities committed by the man you are helping, by word and deed, empower. An adult who gives a known murderer a gun shares guilt with the murderer. You are guilty, Juan. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.

I'm not minimizing the devastation or trauma inflicted by our military policy of bombing everyone all of the time. I am minimizing what that has to do with Gay Rights. In fact I don't even have to minimize it. It doesn't have anything to do with Gay Rights. You were doing better when you were attacking Barney Frank for being a war-mongerer who voted against war and to reduce our military spending.

The world doesn't care that Ellen and Portia had a fun million dollar wedding when their children are being turned into pulsating mounds of brown goo.

I don't know who that is.

Do you ever wonder if you were to visit Pakistan or Yemen or Bahrain and confidently declare you were an Obama voter, what type of reception you might receive? The world hates you. They hate you. You. Personally.

Not the whole world. Elderly Germans love the sh*t out of us.

[BigBallinStalin]

Voted Yes on Killing the People of Iraq
Voted Yes on Killing the People of Afghanistan
Voted Yes on Killing the People of Libya
Voted Yes on Killing the People of Serbia

like the Germans did before you ... there's no day of reckoning coming, I'll never be held personally responsible ...

And then you moved here from Germany. Is it your families destiny to have it's members die as citizens of every tyrannical rogue government?

ladies and gentlemen, the average liberal debater.

and people wonder why i criticize you fuckers instead of the conservatives.

PB has a point. Crony capitalism is totes okay because it's not national socialism.

[saxitoxin]

LOL. An eloquent attempt at minimizing the atrocities committed by the man you are helping, by word and deed, empower. An adult who gives a known murderer a gun shares guilt with the murderer. You are guilty, Juan. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.

I'm not minimizing the devastation or trauma inflicted by our the military policy of the man I am helping elect of bombing everyone all of the time. I am minimizing what that has to do with Gay Equal Rights.

edited to remove spin

(Remember, you can't safely travel outside the borders of the U.S. to most decent places on the Earth and "celebrate" Obama. You have to keep your celebrations in fearful, whispered hushes on message boards or inside fortress USA. You have to do that because you are hated by billions of people. You. Utterly despised. Not because you're estadounidense, but because - specifically - of the man you are celebrating.)

[BigBallinStalin]

LOL. An eloquent attempt at minimizing the atrocities committed by the man you are helping, by word and deed, empower. An adult who gives a known murderer a gun shares guilt with the murderer. You are guilty, Juan. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.

I'm not minimizing the devastation or trauma inflicted by our military policy of bombing everyone all of the time. I am minimizing what that has to do with Gay Rights. In fact I don't even have to minimize it. It doesn't have anything to do with Gay Rights. You were doing better when you were attacking Barney Frank for being a war-mongerer who voted against war and to reduce our military spending.

The world doesn't care that Ellen and Portia had a fun million dollar wedding when their children are being turned into pulsating mounds of brown goo.

I don't know who that is.

Do you ever wonder if you were to visit Pakistan or Yemen or Bahrain and confidently declare you were an Obama voter, what type of reception you might receive? The world hates you. They hate you. You. Personally.

Not the whole world. Elderly Germans love the sh*t out of us.

So, his original position was "This was a celebratory thread about the Democrats standing up for equal rights, or if you'd rather; the Democrats standing up for the Constitution," and after that was thoroughly ravaged, PB now shifted to "Gay Rights."

Okay! Just making that clear.

[Juan_Bottom]

edited to remove spin

(Remember, you can't safely travel outside the borders of the U.S. to most third-world shitholes where children are currency, war zones, North Korea/Burma, or rouge countries ruled by religious fundamentalists and "celebrate" Obama. You have to keep your celebrations in fearful, whispered hushes on message boards or inside fortress USA. You have to do that because you are hated by billions of people. You. Utterly despised. Not because you're estadounidense, but because - specifically - of the man you are celebrating.)

Edited to remove spin.

Who wants to visit those places anyway? Other than those places I'm good.

[john9blue]

A are bad therefore B are good.

Congratulations, I see you have graduated the scotty school of logic magna cum laude.

We don't wonder, Mr. Moderate. We know why.

keep up the personal attacks, morons. you're proving my point.

believe me, i'd insult the conservative posters here if they acted like most of the liberal ones (i.e. intellectually dishonest children)

[john9blue]

your posts in this thread are either defenses of barney frank or random personal attacks on people

This was a celebratory thread about the Democrats standing up for equal rights, or if you'd rather; the Democrats standing up for the Constitution. Unfortunately people who know nothing about politics, including you, have chosen to hijack it and us it to attack Barney Frank, simply because he was chosen to make the announcement. He was chosen because he's gay and married, and because he's been fighting for equality for most of his career.

i never attacked barney frank.

Saxi s an Anarchist, that's why he's attacking the Dems/Barney Frank. Barney Frank is a hero.
I was just gonna let it go, but the fact that you don't even bother to fact check before attacking me and calling me the FUCKER is obnoxious and annoying. Realize JBII that Barney Frank has been fighting all the same shit that Saxi was complaining about. Obviously if I'm going to go toe-to-toe with Saxi then I have already done my homework. You should have been able to see that for yourself the way I was able to easily answer Saxi's earlier checks. I still believe that you say Saxi's name so assumed he was right and that was the side that you had to be on.
BARNEY FRANK HAS CONSISTENTLY VOTED FOR CIVIL RIGHTS, TO DECREASE MILITARY SPENDING, AGAINST THE WAR IN IRAQ, AND LIMITED INTERVENTION IN AFGHANISTAN. He's good friends with Ron Paul.

so you think i always agree with saxi?

did you read the joe paterno thread? lol

[Symmetry]

A are bad therefore B are good.

Congratulations, I see you have graduated the scotty school of logic magna cum laude.

We don't wonder, Mr. Moderate. We know why.

keep up the personal attacks, morons. you're proving my point.

That you're personally attacking them as morons?

[john9blue]

A are bad therefore B are good.

Congratulations, I see you have graduated the scotty school of logic magna cum laude.

We don't wonder, Mr. Moderate. We know why.

keep up the personal attacks, morons. you're proving my point.

That you're personally attacking them as morons?

yes when all else fails... communicate using their language.

edit: oh wait, that wasn't the response you were looking for... hold on...

WHOA symmetry, you caught me being a MASSIVE hypocrite! how will i go on living with myself? it's poetic justice, it really is!

and the irony was TOTALLY lost on me when i posted that.

[saxitoxin]

Who wants to visit those places anyway?

"durn, who needs that thar world? we uhmericans can just crank up the drawbridge and keep-awn lobbing missiles at those nasty brown fellers - GO OBAMER! YEEEHAW!"

in Germany, hated


in Pakistan, hated


in Brazil, hated


in Afghanistan, hated


in India, hated


the whole world over - hated, hated, hated

[john9blue]

you don't understand, saxi- they only hate the republicans.

[Symmetry]

A are bad therefore B are good.

Congratulations, I see you have graduated the scotty school of logic magna cum laude.

We don't wonder, Mr. Moderate. We know why.

keep up the personal attacks, morons. you're proving my point.

That you're personally attacking them as morons?

yes when all else fails... communicate using their language.

edit: oh wait, that wasn't the response you were looking for... hold on...

WHOA symmetry, you caught me being a MASSIVE hypocrite! how will i go on living with myself? it's poetic justice, it really is!

and the irony was TOTALLY lost on me when i posted that.

I think I like you better now. Did I at least deflate the meaningless back-and-forth? Cos all involved looked trapped in it.

[Juan_Bottom]

WHOA symmetry, you caught me being a MASSIVE hypocrite! how will i go on living with myself? it's poetic justice, it really is!

and the irony was TOTALLY lost on me when i posted that.