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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby Gillipig on Fri May 30, 2014 12:43 pm

betiko wrote:Yes, kallstrom is far from his best years, i don t know how he has been doing, i know he wasn t playing much for lyon when they sold him to arsenal, and that he got a bad injury just a few days after signing for arsenal. Good deal for lyon!
Elmander is now old but he has been good. He isn t a scorer, he is there more to weight on the defense and to leave spaces for the other forward, in that case zlatan. He did a very good job in that role for toulouse and for bolton.
Ola Thoivonen has actually impressed me. He signed for Rennes last winter from PSV eindoven without making too much noise. (The owner of Rennes is actually a french billionaire, husband of salma hayek but he doesn t spend a lot in his team). Rennes is probably the less consistent club in france, they are very unpredictable and will win against big teams then lose cup finals against shit teams. Anyway, Thoivonen has played 5 month for rennes so far and has scored at least 8 goals including some really beautiful ones. I was surprised that a guy arriving in winter could adapt and blend in a new team (that isn t very good and inconsistent) so quickly. Anyway, let s see next season how thoivonen responds, but his first half season in france has been very promissing.

Anyway, overall sweden has a world class superstar and all other players are very average. You guys better come up with some young talents soon if you don t want your national team to disapear from the football map for over a decade..

It probably will, not much a fan can do about it so i don't worry too much. At least we still have hockey, we've hardly ever been as good at hockey as we are now and hardly ever been as bad at Football, I don't think it's a coincidence. There's a lot of money to be made in Ice Hockey in North America, it's not uncommon for many kids to play both hockey and football in Sweden when they're young, but if they're good they have to make a choice, what are they going to focus on? There's no competition for talent like that in Portugal. If you want to make money for a living in a team sport there's only one, football. When Sweden started sending their best hockey players to North America to play over there, our hockey team has become better, and our football team has deteriorated. It's not an all bad thing though, hockey is an amazingly fun sport to watch and we could never be one of the very best teams in footbal anyway, but in hockey we can, and we are, lol.
Look for Swedish football to meet a similar fate as Hungaryan football, Hungary used to be a strong football nation but hasn't been so in decades. Sweden's time as a country that regularly qualifies to the WC is over I think. We might make it there every ones in a while, once every 20 years perhaps, but it's not going to be like it used to be. We're not good enough anymore quite simply. MAny countries focus on football to an extreme extent, Sweden doesn't.
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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby Trevor33 on Fri May 30, 2014 5:00 pm

betiko wrote:
JBlombier wrote:Apart from all previous comments, I'd like to join kuthoer's (does anyone know what his username means in Dutch, btw?) opinion.

The Netherlands for the win.


Lol. We destroyed you guys 2-3 month ago, and I'm really not sure you guys can make it through against spain and chile in group stage.
France, england, italy, portugal and netherlands, none of them will reach semi finals even if they are historical powers.
I am just aiming for quarter finals and a loss vs germany. No need to get high expectations and to be too disapointed.

Tonight we won 4-0 vs norway in our first prep match. The team looks good since the second leg of the play offs against ukraine that qualified us for the WC. There is youth and enthousiasm.


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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby Timminz on Fri May 30, 2014 6:10 pm

betiko wrote:what happened to canada? I didn t follow the concacaf qualifiers.


Typical Canadian football: they made it look like they might make it to the final round of qualification, only needed a draw in their final match, and then lost 8-1.

CONCACAF is a joke compared to the other regions. Away teams never get a good night's rest before a game (except visitors to Canada and USA), the refs tend to play to the home crowd heavily, and some of the pitches are worse than the ones I played on as a child.

I'm still holding out hope that we can host a WC at some point in my life. Can't see us qualifying for real.
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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby betiko on Fri May 30, 2014 6:16 pm

trevor33 wrote:
betiko wrote:
JBlombier wrote:Apart from all previous comments, I'd like to join kuthoer's (does anyone know what his username means in Dutch, btw?) opinion.

The Netherlands for the win.


Lol. We destroyed you guys 2-3 month ago, and I'm really not sure you guys can make it through against spain and chile in group stage.
France, england, italy, portugal and netherlands, none of them will reach semi finals even if they are historical powers.
I am just aiming for quarter finals and a loss vs germany. No need to get high expectations and to be too disapointed.

Tonight we won 4-0 vs norway in our first prep match. The team looks good since the second leg of the play offs against ukraine that qualified us for the WC. There is youth and enthousiasm.


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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby Serbia on Fri May 30, 2014 6:17 pm

betiko wrote:
Timminz wrote:I thought this was the world cup thread.

If you guys want to talk about non-world cup teams, there's another thread for that.


We re talking about an "almost world cup team" with one of the top 5 players in the world that didn't make it in the playoffs. So as soon as the US is eliminated in the group stage, it will be absolutely prohibited to talk about them in this thread? :?
As far as i m concerned the world cup hasn t started and I don t see the problem to talk about the teams that didn t make it.
Like what happened to canada? I didn t follow the concacaf qualifiers.


No, because even when they're eliminated, THEY STILL QUALIFIED. Sweden didn't qualify, so they don't count. Even a team that loses 3 games, doesn't score a goal, and gets outscored by 8 STILL MADE THE TOURNAMENT. Hence, being the World Cup thread.

Glad I could explain that to you. :D

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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby betiko on Fri May 30, 2014 6:30 pm

Serbia wrote:
betiko wrote:
Timminz wrote:I thought this was the world cup thread.

If you guys want to talk about non-world cup teams, there's another thread for that.


We re talking about an "almost world cup team" with one of the top 5 players in the world that didn't make it in the playoffs. So as soon as the US is eliminated in the group stage, it will be absolutely prohibited to talk about them in this thread? :?
As far as i m concerned the world cup hasn t started and I don t see the problem to talk about the teams that didn t make it.
Like what happened to canada? I didn t follow the concacaf qualifiers.


No, because even when they're eliminated, THEY STILL QUALIFIED. Sweden didn't qualify, so they don't count. Even a team that loses 3 games, doesn't score a goal, and gets outscored by 8 STILL MADE THE TOURNAMENT. Hence, being the World Cup thread.

Glad I could explain that to you. :D

Bollocks.


yeah, the question being why does the concacaf has so many entries for the world cup with craps such as honduras participating in the world cup while teams like sweden didn't make it; would be funnier if the playoffs were cross continentals instead of done by federation. It's unfair not to take the 32 best teams.
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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby Timminz on Fri May 30, 2014 9:59 pm

betiko wrote:
Serbia wrote:
betiko wrote:
Timminz wrote:I thought this was the world cup thread.

If you guys want to talk about non-world cup teams, there's another thread for that.


We re talking about an "almost world cup team" with one of the top 5 players in the world that didn't make it in the playoffs. So as soon as the US is eliminated in the group stage, it will be absolutely prohibited to talk about them in this thread? :?
As far as i m concerned the world cup hasn t started and I don t see the problem to talk about the teams that didn t make it.
Like what happened to canada? I didn t follow the concacaf qualifiers.


No, because even when they're eliminated, THEY STILL QUALIFIED. Sweden didn't qualify, so they don't count. Even a team that loses 3 games, doesn't score a goal, and gets outscored by 8 STILL MADE THE TOURNAMENT. Hence, being the World Cup thread.

Glad I could explain that to you. :D

Bollocks.


yeah, the question being why does the concacaf has so many entries for the world cup with craps such as honduras participating in the world cup while teams like sweden didn't make it; would be funnier if the playoffs were cross continentals instead of done by federation. It's unfair not to take the 32 best teams.


I might agree, but I don't think the "European and South American Cup" has quite the same ring to it as the "World Cup".
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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby Gillipig on Sat May 31, 2014 3:39 am

Timminz wrote:
betiko wrote:
Serbia wrote:
betiko wrote:
Timminz wrote:I thought this was the world cup thread.

If you guys want to talk about non-world cup teams, there's another thread for that.


We re talking about an "almost world cup team" with one of the top 5 players in the world that didn't make it in the playoffs. So as soon as the US is eliminated in the group stage, it will be absolutely prohibited to talk about them in this thread? :?
As far as i m concerned the world cup hasn t started and I don t see the problem to talk about the teams that didn t make it.
Like what happened to canada? I didn t follow the concacaf qualifiers.


No, because even when they're eliminated, THEY STILL QUALIFIED. Sweden didn't qualify, so they don't count. Even a team that loses 3 games, doesn't score a goal, and gets outscored by 8 STILL MADE THE TOURNAMENT. Hence, being the World Cup thread.

Glad I could explain that to you. :D

Bollocks.


yeah, the question being why does the concacaf has so many entries for the world cup with craps such as honduras participating in the world cup while teams like sweden didn't make it; would be funnier if the playoffs were cross continentals instead of done by federation. It's unfair not to take the 32 best teams.


I might agree, but I don't think the "European and South American Cup" has quite the same ring to it as the "World Cup".

Yes, because a World Cup without Honduras and Iran just wouldn't be worth watching!
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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby betiko on Sat May 31, 2014 3:54 am

I think that any football follower in any given continent would rather see zlatan ibrahimovic & sweden in the world cup rather than any of these anonymous nations just there to fill in space with no chance of winning a single game. He's like the third best player in the world after messi and cristiano ronaldo.
Generally speaking, all the big nations/players will be there, and the great absent is Zlatan.
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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby sempaispellcheck on Sat May 31, 2014 7:11 am

Speaking of players who will be conspicuous in their absence, you know that no matter how well the US does, everyone will be wondering how much better they could have been with Landon Donovan.
Does anyone know if Klinsmann ever said exactly why he didn't take him?

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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby betiko on Sat May 31, 2014 7:19 am

sempaispellcheck wrote:Speaking of players who will be conspicuous in their absence, you know that no matter how well the US does, everyone will be wondering how much better they could have been with Landon Donovan.
Does anyone know if Klinsmann ever said exactly why he didn't take him?

sempai


are you kind of comparing the importance of donovan's absence from the WC with zlatan ibrahimovic's? :lol:
Donovan wouldn't be in the 23 selected players in at least 25 of the 32 teams. Probably even more teams than that.

you still didn't tell me what happened between him with klinsmann.
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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby Serbia on Sat May 31, 2014 9:44 am

betiko wrote:
sempaispellcheck wrote:Speaking of players who will be conspicuous in their absence, you know that no matter how well the US does, everyone will be wondering how much better they could have been with Landon Donovan.
Does anyone know if Klinsmann ever said exactly why he didn't take him?

sempai


are you kind of comparing the importance of donovan's absence from the WC with zlatan ibrahimovic's? :lol:
Donovan wouldn't be in the 23 selected players in at least 25 of the 32 teams. Probably even more teams than that.

you still didn't tell me what happened between him with klinsmann.


That's not the question, and quite obviously you cannot compare Donovan to Zlatan; there is a very short list of people who CAN be compared. However, the question is still relevant in the US. I don't believe Donovan is fully washed up. Not in his prime, sure, but should he still be on the team? Unfortunately, this is the condition of American soccer, arguing over whether Landon Donovan should be on the team.

And yes, I'll say I'd rather watch Zlatan play than Iran. Europe and South America are already heavily weighted when compared to other nations. Asia has 3 countries out of 43 entrants. Africa has 5 out of 51. Europe as 13 out of 53, and South America brings 6 out of 10 countries!!!

In other words, stop your whining. Sadly for Zlatan and all of soccer, Sweden isn't one of the top 13 teams in Europe. Sorry. Deal with it.

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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby betiko on Sat May 31, 2014 11:20 am

Serbia wrote:
betiko wrote:
sempaispellcheck wrote:Speaking of players who will be conspicuous in their absence, you know that no matter how well the US does, everyone will be wondering how much better they could have been with Landon Donovan.
Does anyone know if Klinsmann ever said exactly why he didn't take him?

sempai


are you kind of comparing the importance of donovan's absence from the WC with zlatan ibrahimovic's? :lol:
Donovan wouldn't be in the 23 selected players in at least 25 of the 32 teams. Probably even more teams than that.

you still didn't tell me what happened between him with klinsmann.


That's not the question, and quite obviously you cannot compare Donovan to Zlatan; there is a very short list of people who CAN be compared. However, the question is still relevant in the US. I don't believe Donovan is fully washed up. Not in his prime, sure, but should he still be on the team? Unfortunately, this is the condition of American soccer, arguing over whether Landon Donovan should be on the team.

And yes, I'll say I'd rather watch Zlatan play than Iran. Europe and South America are already heavily weighted when compared to other nations. Asia has 3 countries out of 43 entrants. Africa has 5 out of 51. Europe as 13 out of 53, and South America brings 6 out of 10 countries!!!

In other words, stop your whining. Sadly for Zlatan and all of soccer, Sweden isn't one of the top 13 teams in Europe. Sorry. Deal with it.

Bollocks.


bollocks. get your facts straight, you don't even seem to understand what I'm talking about.

AFC (Asia) - 46 teams - 4 qualified +1 in playoffs
CAF (Africa) - 53 teams - 5 qualified
CONCACAF (CaraĆÆbeans, North & Central America) - 35 teams - 4 qualified +1 in playoffs
CONMEBOL (South America) - 9 teams (without Brasil) - 4 qualified +1 in playoffs + Brazil
OFC (OcƩania) - 11 teams - 1 in playoffs
UEFA (Europe) - 53 teams - 9 qualified +8 in playoffs

That's 12 teams going to playoffs for 6 spots. AFC, CONCACAF, OFC and CONMEBOL are drawn together, while UEFA just between themselves. Sweden ended second of it's qualifiers as germany was there for the first place and they fought one another till the end. The ended up in playoffs against Portugal and lost. Funny thing is that these are the 2 teams that the US will be facing. I'm just saying that the 12 teams going for playoffs should be drawn all together; not UEFA on one side and rest of the world on the other.
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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby Gillipig on Sat May 31, 2014 12:36 pm

betiko wrote:
Serbia wrote:
betiko wrote:
sempaispellcheck wrote:Speaking of players who will be conspicuous in their absence, you know that no matter how well the US does, everyone will be wondering how much better they could have been with Landon Donovan.
Does anyone know if Klinsmann ever said exactly why he didn't take him?

sempai


are you kind of comparing the importance of donovan's absence from the WC with zlatan ibrahimovic's? :lol:
Donovan wouldn't be in the 23 selected players in at least 25 of the 32 teams. Probably even more teams than that.

you still didn't tell me what happened between him with klinsmann.


That's not the question, and quite obviously you cannot compare Donovan to Zlatan; there is a very short list of people who CAN be compared. However, the question is still relevant in the US. I don't believe Donovan is fully washed up. Not in his prime, sure, but should he still be on the team? Unfortunately, this is the condition of American soccer, arguing over whether Landon Donovan should be on the team.

And yes, I'll say I'd rather watch Zlatan play than Iran. Europe and South America are already heavily weighted when compared to other nations. Asia has 3 countries out of 43 entrants. Africa has 5 out of 51. Europe as 13 out of 53, and South America brings 6 out of 10 countries!!!

In other words, stop your whining. Sadly for Zlatan and all of soccer, Sweden isn't one of the top 13 teams in Europe. Sorry. Deal with it.

Bollocks.


bollocks. get your facts straight, you don't even seem to understand what I'm talking about.

AFC (Asia) - 46 teams - 4 qualified +1 in playoffs
CAF (Africa) - 53 teams - 5 qualified
CONCACAF (CaraĆÆbeans, North & Central America) - 35 teams - 4 qualified +1 in playoffs
CONMEBOL (South America) - 9 teams (without Brasil) - 4 qualified +1 in playoffs + Brazil
OFC (OcƩania) - 11 teams - 1 in playoffs
UEFA (Europe) - 53 teams - 9 qualified +8 in playoffs

That's 12 teams going to playoffs for 6 spots. AFC, CONCACAF, OFC and CONMEBOL are drawn together, while UEFA just between themselves. Sweden ended second of it's qualifiers as germany was there for the first place and they fought one another till the end. The ended up in playoffs against Portugal and lost. Funny thing is that these are the 2 teams that the US will be facing. I'm just saying that the 12 teams going for playoffs should be drawn all together; not UEFA on one side and rest of the world on the other.

Yeah Europe should probably have a couple of more spots for the sake of competitiveness of the WC.
If you look at the teams with lowest odds on betting sites you'll find that about 10 of the 16 top teams are European, 5 are South American and 1 is African. If you look at the 16 teams with highest odds you'll find that all the North Anerican and Asian teams are there, Africa has many teams there as well and very few belong to Europe and South America. If more more European teams got into the world cup the quality of the tournament would go up. At the moment Asia is not good enough to warrant 3 teams, more like 2, North America should not have 4, 3 would almost even be generous, Africa shouldn't have four either, more like 3.
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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby Serbia on Sat May 31, 2014 1:39 pm

betiko wrote:bollocks. get your facts straight, you don't even seem to understand what I'm talking about.

AFC (Asia) - 46 teams - 4 qualified +1 in playoffs
CAF (Africa) - 53 teams - 5 qualified
CONCACAF (CaraĆÆbeans, North & Central America) - 35 teams - 4 qualified +1 in playoffs
CONMEBOL (South America) - 9 teams (without Brasil) - 4 qualified +1 in playoffs + Brazil
OFC (OcƩania) - 11 teams - 1 in playoffs
UEFA (Europe) - 53 teams - 9 qualified +8 in playoffs

That's 12 teams going to playoffs for 6 spots. AFC, CONCACAF, OFC and CONMEBOL are drawn together, while UEFA just between themselves. Sweden ended second of it's qualifiers as germany was there for the first place and they fought one another till the end. The ended up in playoffs against Portugal and lost. Funny thing is that these are the 2 teams that the US will be facing. I'm just saying that the 12 teams going for playoffs should be drawn all together; not UEFA on one side and rest of the world on the other.


I got my numbers for teams from Wikipedia; excuse me if that's not correct.
Also, I didn't realize Australia qualifies in the Asian bracket. That was my error.

Regardless, my main point still stands: The World Cup is already heavily weighted to Europe and South America. That is not debatable.

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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby nietzsche on Sat May 31, 2014 1:56 pm

betiko wrote:
sempaispellcheck wrote:Speaking of players who will be conspicuous in their absence, you know that no matter how well the US does, everyone will be wondering how much better they could have been with Landon Donovan.
Does anyone know if Klinsmann ever said exactly why he didn't take him?

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are you kind of comparing the importance of donovan's absence from the WC with zlatan ibrahimovic's? :lol:
Donovan wouldn't be in the 23 selected players in at least 25 of the 32 teams. Probably even more teams than that.

you still didn't tell me what happened between him with klinsmann.


I don't think you ever saw Donovan play. I always wondered why he was never in a big Europe team. I got to suffer his goals vs Mexico. Apparently, a friend that lives in LA tells me, Donovan is just too comfortable in LA, with his pretty GF and his big endorsements.

Donovan is the best US player ever.

Of course he's not Zlatan, Zlatan is even better player than Cristiano, it's just that Zlatan doesn't run as fast. But Donovan is pretty good. At his best, he would've be in the 23 of any national team.
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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby Agent 86 on Sat May 31, 2014 2:13 pm

Watch out for the underdogs Australia in their group..could surprise after being written off :P
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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby betiko on Sat May 31, 2014 2:15 pm

nietzsche wrote:
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sempaispellcheck wrote:Speaking of players who will be conspicuous in their absence, you know that no matter how well the US does, everyone will be wondering how much better they could have been with Landon Donovan.
Does anyone know if Klinsmann ever said exactly why he didn't take him?

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are you kind of comparing the importance of donovan's absence from the WC with zlatan ibrahimovic's? :lol:
Donovan wouldn't be in the 23 selected players in at least 25 of the 32 teams. Probably even more teams than that.

you still didn't tell me what happened between him with klinsmann.


I don't think you ever saw Donovan play. I always wondered why he was never in a big Europe team. I got to suffer his goals vs Mexico. Apparently, a friend that lives in LA tells me, Donovan is just too comfortable in LA, with his pretty GF and his big endorsements.

Donovan is the best US player ever.

Of course he's not Zlatan, Zlatan is even better player than Cristiano, it's just that Zlatan doesn't run as fast. But Donovan is pretty good. At his best, he would've be in the 23 of any national team.


He played a few times in europe, germany and england (including everton) and didn t do well at all. He might be super good for the MLS, but he s far from being world class.

Cristiano is very complete, i don t think that zlatan is a better player. Messi and cristiano are on another planet, just after comes zlatan.

@ serbia; i still think north america has one too many spots. 4,5 spots is ridiculous. And i still see no reason why playoffs are intercontinental, except for europeans who can just face other europeans. This goes against competitivity.
And my point is that sweden is better than a few european teams that made it, as they had very tough draws both in group stage and playoffs.
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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby betiko on Sat May 31, 2014 2:18 pm

Agent 86 wrote:Watch out for the underdogs Australia in their group..could surprise after being written off :P


We played aussies a few month ago and it was probably the weakest australian team i ve ever seen. You guys had a very good team in the early 2000s...
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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby AndyDufresne on Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:21 am

betiko wrote:
Agent 86 wrote:Watch out for the underdogs Australia in their group..could surprise after being written off :P


We played aussies a few month ago and it was probably the weakest australian team i ve ever seen. You guys had a very good team in the early 2000s...

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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby betiko on Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:14 pm

Hummm crap. Our best player Frank Ribery is injured and will most likely not go to the world cup...
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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby nagerous on Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:07 pm

betiko wrote:Hummm crap. Our best player Frank Ribery is injured and will most likely not go to the world cup...


Maybe you should call up Nasri to take his place... oh....
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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby betiko on Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:40 pm

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betiko wrote:Hummm crap. Our best player Frank Ribery is injured and will most likely not go to the world cup...


Maybe you should call up Nasri to take his place... oh....


Hummm nope. He can stay in manchester, no need for that clown. Not like he could replace Ribery anyway. Valbuena has always over performed compared to his club level in national team and Nasri always underperformed, so Valbuena was the chosen one. We got Griezman playing in Ribery's position, even if he s a bit young he is excellent.
Anyway, it s not 100% sure that Ribery is out, but what is sure is that he is completely burned out. Anyone who saw the bayern play this last month saw that he isn t the player he usually is. He s got a bad back injury.
The 2 real madrid players, Karim benzema and Raphael Varanne are also half injured...

Mehh... I m actually wondering if we ll make it through the crappy group phase we re in.
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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby Gillipig on Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:28 am

betiko wrote:Hummm crap. Our best player Frank Ribery is injured and will most likely not go to the world cup...

He got injured during the friendly against Paraguay? What a waste in that case. I don't understand why they have friendlies this close to the WC, some people are going to get injured for sure. Belgien kicked our ass, I made some money betting on them though so I'm not disappointed :D.
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Re: World Cup 2014

Postby betiko on Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:20 am

Gillipig wrote:
betiko wrote:Hummm crap. Our best player Frank Ribery is injured and will most likely not go to the world cup...

He got injured during the friendly against Paraguay? What a waste in that case. I don't understand why they have friendlies this close to the WC, some people are going to get injured for sure. Belgien kicked our ass, I made some money betting on them though so I'm not disappointed :D.


No all those injured/half injured players I m talking about were already in that shape when they joined the national team. But I don t know, it was the guys presenting roland garros yesterday that were commenting about ribery who will not play the world cup and that it was almost certain.
I still didn t hear anything official yet.

Yesterday we did disapointing 1-1 vs Paraguay with Griezman scoring his first goal with France (his second or third apearance). Nietzsche likes this player so just mentioning it.

Who was belgium playing in friendly last night?
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