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Postby lord twiggy1 on Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:13 am

Simonov wrote:
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Simonov wrote:wrong. mutation is genetically a good thing. if this mutation was bad then it's carriers wouldn't survive and spread so widely...
wrong. unless im dearly mistaken(and if i am, sorry about this) a mutation=bad; a permutation=good

wrong. but i guess you haven't studied genetics. there are bad and good mutations but all of them are necessery for evolution. one trait can be consider good in one and bad in other external conditions.

i think permutation is mathematical term...

ya now that you say that, i think its all the different variations you can get from a given set of things(be it numbers of people)

and damn i was wrong :cry:
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Postby AlgyTaylor on Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:14 am

ignotus wrote:There's a funny sign that someone put on a wall in Zagreb:
"I hate jews, niggers, gays and racists!" :lol: :lol: :lol:

I mind a Glasgow Rangers-supporting mate of mine saying "I'm not a bigot, I don't care what the dirty tims* get up to." :lol:

He didn't seem to understand the whole bigotry thing ....




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Postby lord twiggy1 on Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:14 am

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lord twiggy1 wrote:i cant take you seriously with that avvy, Simonov :lol:

sorry my teeth hurt. it's a self-irony of a sort.
its a kadak moment.

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Postby Simonov on Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:20 am

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vtmarik wrote:We're all homo sapiens sapiens, there is no other race on this planet. Sure, we may have different skin color, but that's where the differences end.


Err... nope... I'm fairly sure there are some reasonable genetic differences... African genetic vulnerability to sickle cell anemia is a good example, if I recall rightly. We DO have different genes. No-one is debating that.

actually sickle-anemia is selective advantage to deadly form of malaria. heterozygotes are resistant thus to parasite P.malariae but homozygotes have many problems and shortened life expectancy due to complications...don't have the will to write more about this look it up if interested. this mutation wouldn't be preserved if it wasn't good in some sense. it's affordable risk made by nature.
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Postby Snorri1234 on Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:25 am

vtmarik wrote:I love how we refer to other phenotypes in the same species as a different race.

We're all homo sapiens sapiens, there is no other race on this planet. Sure, we may have different skin color, but that's where the differences end.

But the whole idea behind race is that you use it to refer to other phenotypes in the same species, if those phenotypes have certain characteristics.

Race is not actually a good classification, and it doesn't show up in the name anway. A bulldog and a chihuahua are both Canis lupus familiaris.
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Postby Simonov on Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:25 am

i read this news today in the caffe-bar in city newspapers and when i told it to my college-collegues they unanimously concluded that i must have some black genes. :( bloody-hell. some friends they are...
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Postby lord twiggy1 on Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:35 am

Simonov wrote:i read this news today in the caffe-bar in city newspapers and when i told it to my college-collegues they unanimously concluded that i must have some black genes. :( bloody-hell. some friends they are...
took me a second to make sence of it, but when i did, thats hilarios. thats what would have happened to me in the same instance so i feel for ya
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Postby Guiscard on Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:38 am

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vtmarik wrote:We're all homo sapiens sapiens, there is no other race on this planet. Sure, we may have different skin color, but that's where the differences end.


Err... nope... I'm fairly sure there are some reasonable genetic differences... African genetic vulnerability to sickle cell anemia is a good example, if I recall rightly. We DO have different genes. No-one is debating that.

actually sickle-anemia is selective advantage to deadly form of malaria. heterozygotes are resistant thus to parasite P.malariae but homozygotes have many problems and shortened life expectancy due to complications...don't have the will to write more about this look it up if interested. this mutation wouldn't be preserved if it wasn't good in some sense. it's affordable risk made by nature.


Fair enough. Is it that those people who come from places where malaria is common are more like to contract sickle cell? Thats certainly not what I meant in using the example, but interesting non the less.
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Postby Simonov on Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:39 am

times wrote:argued in favour of genetic screening and engineering on the basis that " stupidity" could one day be cured.

this is horrible. i think Watson is starting to suffer of severe dementia. (just read this article to the end.)
don't see how he doesn't see that what's a "draw-back"could be a serious advantage if external conditions change.
both black and white race in general are equally well adjusted so equally perfect in general. if one race was superior it would have completely supressed the other one with it's genomic traits...
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Postby Simonov on Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:41 am

Guiscard wrote:
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vtmarik wrote:We're all homo sapiens sapiens, there is no other race on this planet. Sure, we may have different skin color, but that's where the differences end.


Err... nope... I'm fairly sure there are some reasonable genetic differences... African genetic vulnerability to sickle cell anemia is a good example, if I recall rightly. We DO have different genes. No-one is debating that.

actually sickle-anemia is selective advantage to deadly form of malaria. heterozygotes are resistant thus to parasite P.malariae but homozygotes have many problems and shortened life expectancy due to complications...don't have the will to write more about this look it up if interested. this mutation wouldn't be preserved if it wasn't good in some sense. it's affordable risk made by nature.


Fair enough. Is it that those people who come from places where malaria is common are more like to contract sickle cell? Thats certainly not what I meant in using the example, but interesting non the less.

yes, you got it. it's what enabled them to survive since the number of people killed by disease by reproductive period is much higher than that of genetic flaw (in this example a homozygothic genome)
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Postby diddle on Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:43 am

i feel really bad now, i voted yes, without realising wht the thread or the poll was about :?
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Postby Guiscard on Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:44 am

diddle wrote:i feel really bad now, i voted yes, without realising wht the thread or the poll was about :?


Oh yeh :roll: :D
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Postby jiminski on Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:56 am

vtmarik wrote:I love how we refer to other phenotypes in the same species as a different race.

We're all homo sapiens sapiens, there is no other race on this planet. Sure, we may have different skin color, but that's where the differences end.

What's next, all people with red hair become another race? What about
those with blue eyes? Or maybe people who are taller than the national average?


Of course you are correct Vt. but sometimes an issue needs to be identified or disproved before it can be aided or discarded. What are the causes of African Poverty, Famine and Debt? No one seems to be able to give even close to a useful answer.

Putting to one side the clumsy and mostly irrelevant point made by the scientist, the fact that African Nations are less succesful/cohesive than many parts of the world is sadly unavoidable.

This is due to many factors: Imperialism/ Colonialism, the type of land, Climate.. etc etc.
However, many Nations have similar historical quandaries.

The unsolvable corruption in African Governments appears almost endemic. Their universal fragmentation (there's a paradox) into vying groups is a never-ending cycle of war and retaliation.
Yes this is true of all areas but not usually to the point of self-destruction.. Somewhere, sometime, eventually peace and partnership between government and people is brokered.

I think in a misguided manner the Scientist made his comments in order to help the seemingly unsolvable troubles of much of the African continent.


Could it be that the type of World assistance is indeed counter-productive?

Is Africa just too close to Europe for it to pull itself out of a cycle of exploitation?

Do we offer assistance or back-door economic slavery?

Is there Genetic or cultural difference enough for us to entirely lack understanding of how to help?

Are the peoples of Africa Genetically or culturally different enough from each other, so as to not be able to bond together in the same socially cohesive manner accepted in '1st World ' societies?

Does Africa want our patronising help or would the people of Africa rather get on in their own way?

I have no answers but surely no possibility should be unexplored... because knowing all the other socio-economic hindrances to African development is not helping at the moment.

Back to genetics and racial propensities to intelligence; this is a complete red herring and counter production. It is unprovable and hands itself to supremacist dogma.

It clouds the issue to such a degree that the Scientist in question must now regret his words. He must have been studying the Genome for so long that he has been desensitised to all but raw intellectual pursuit.
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Postby Simonov on Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:15 pm

Guiscard wrote:From what Watson was saying - that employers should treat people as less intelligent as a result of their race - would leave white people in middle management working under Asian bosses with Black people delivering the mail. I strongly doubt that the sections in our society who will get most comfort from the supposed intellectual superiority of whites over blacks will accept Asian dominance so warmly.

your comment reminded me of social organization in insects. from which we must conclude that any social differences in human society based on our genetic or physionomic/intellectual difference not only are wrong but also unnatural. because if nature intended for one race to have social dominance in species over another we would be made that way (like insects - warriors, workers, queen etc.) it's natural that every individual in human (mammal) society is classified by it's own unique capabilities or flaws.
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Postby lord twiggy1 on Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:17 pm

go into the thread called 'signatures' and help me
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Postby Stopper on Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:50 pm

Watson has a long history of making stupid comments. And he's in the papers again? Hmm, I think what I've emphasised below might be the most significant aspect of the story:

Article wrote:Dr Watson arrives in Britain today for a speaking tour to publicise his latest book, Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science.


Looking at how many pages this topic has generated so quickly, maybe his gambit will work.
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Postby jiminski on Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:07 pm

The Thread title got the people in too mate.
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Postby Simonov on Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:09 pm

Stopper wrote:Watson has a long history of making stupid comments. And he's in the papers again? Hmm, I think what I've emphasised below might be the most significant aspect of the story:

Article wrote:Dr Watson arrives in Britain today for a speaking tour to publicise his latest book, Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science.


Looking at how many pages this topic has generated so quickly, maybe his gambit will work.

yes, this seems to be behind it. but you must be worried by number of people around the globe willing (even eager) to accepts this claims.
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Postby jiminski on Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:15 pm

Simonov wrote:
Stopper wrote:Watson has a long history of making stupid comments. And he's in the papers again? Hmm, I think what I've emphasised below might be the most significant aspect of the story:

Article wrote:Dr Watson arrives in Britain today for a speaking tour to publicise his latest book, Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science.


Looking at how many pages this topic has generated so quickly, maybe his gambit will work.

yes, this seems to be behind it. but you must be worried by number of people around the globe willing (even eager) to accepts this claims.


Do you mean the vote?
I haven't read any post that really agrees with him.
It is likely that you will get a disproportionately high number of racists drawn to the title... but not really be willing to post due to the roasting they would receive.
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Postby Simonov on Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:34 pm

jiminski wrote:Do you mean the vote?
I haven't read any post that really agrees with him.
It is likely that you will get a disproportionately high number of racists drawn to the title... but not really be willing to post due to the roasting they would receive.

no, i mean in society in general...
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Postby Titanic on Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:46 pm

I dont believe they are genetically less intelligent, its just culturally. In Africa they do not get a good education, so the majority of black citizens there will not be as intelligent as a westerner. Blacks who are in other countries (especially USA) are treated as inferior citizens and live in very poor conditions, which means that their education will suffer.

It is an interesting debate about natural intelligence, as some studies "show" that Asians are smarter then Caucasians who are smarter then blacks. As said earlier, its probably because they are only measuring one or a limited number of types of intelligence, and not other areas when Asians are not as good as others.
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Postby Stopper on Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:28 pm

jiminski wrote:The Thread title got the people in too mate.


That's probably the actual, main reason, but I needed to say something that would give my post a final sort of flourish, the better to encourage people to read and remember it. I didn't care whether it was true or not.
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Postby MeDeFe on Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:31 pm

I don't know if anyone saw this line:
He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade.
So these genes that supposedly make people whose skin is darker than his own more stupid haven't even been found yet, which means that he's really just speculating.
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Postby Guiscard on Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:36 pm

MeDeFe wrote:I don't know if anyone saw this line:
He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade.
So these genes that supposedly make people whose skin is darker than his own more stupid haven't even been found yet, which means that he's really just speculating.


To an extent, yes. There have certainly been studies carried out, most of which GENERALLY indicate that, when taking the standard IQ test, those with African genes fare worse than White European, who in turn fare worse than East Asian. He isn't speculating about the results as much as making stupid polemic and reactionary statements based on their conclusions. The studies are not conclusive, and I'm sure much more work needs to be carried out, but I would not be at all surprised if we did 'discover' the gene or combination of genes which gives us these traits. The way we utilise that fact in society and the extent to which we consider the narrow basis of an IQ test a valid judgment for the intellegence of a whole genetic group are the major issues he is failing to even consider.
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Postby Snorri1234 on Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:59 pm

jiminski wrote:
Of course you are correct Vt.


No he isn't.
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