Capitalism sucks

[unriggable]

I disagree greatly with socialism as well, especially socialized medicine. The US healthcare system is gonna pretty bad if Barack or Hillary win.

Yeah. Too many aspiring doctors will have jobs, and more people will be healthy.

[Risktaker17]

Are you serious? Did someone say Socialism takes money from those who don't need it and gives it to those that do. My brother is going to college, and we suffer huge taxes. We could barely afford him going to college and had to take monstrous loans that he and my parents will be paying their whole life, and the same thing will happen to me? How is that fair?

[Frigidus]

Are you serious? Did someone say Socialism takes money from those who don't need it and gives it to those that do. My brother is going to college, and we suffer huge taxes. We could barely afford him going to college and had to take monstrous loans that he and my parents will be paying their whole life, and the same thing will happen to me? How is that fair?

I think that's kind of their point.

[unriggable]

Are you serious? Did someone say Socialism takes money from those who don't need it and gives it to those that do. My brother is going to college, and we suffer huge taxes. We could barely afford him going to college and had to take monstrous loans that he and my parents will be paying their whole life, and the same thing will happen to me? How is that fair?

It's not like all the money you pay goes to the poor. Half of it goes to defense, the rest goes to the essentials like education and roads and police, and a small sliver goes to helping the poor. So don't blame them for your taxes. Besides, I'm talking the upper 1% those who literally have too much money to spend (The upper 1% holds apx 40% the wealth of this country).

[Risktaker17]

And why can't the poor get jobs, Capitalism doesn't shut out anyone. They take the most qualified. Public education should be given to all people, and I believe in most parts of the world it is. IF they continue through school and perform well then many colleges will happily give full rides to people if they financially cannot afford it. Then with an excellent college degree they can get the job of their choice because they have worked hard and are now qualified, how does money shut them out from success?

[Der Fuhrer]

Capitalism rewards the intelligent, it is the best system.

Two things.

1. You don't necessarily need to be rich to be smart. The problem with capitalism is that only the rich can succeed because you can't become rich. Not to mention that it allows the consumer to be cheated, like the case of Enron.

2. Nobody here likes communism. They like socialism because it takes money from those who have too much to spend and gives it to those who need it.

The problem with capitalism is that only the rich can succeed because you can't become rich.

Utterly stupid statement. If only the rich can succeed, how is it possible that other millionaires appear? Your post would suggest there can only be one millionaire, yet the USA has the greatest concentration of millionaires on the planet.

Not to mention that it allows the consumer to be cheated, like the case of Enron.

The consumer was not cheated you dumb piece-of-shit. The shareholders, and employees of Enron were cheated. f*ck, are all Americans this goddamned stupid?

Nobody here likes communism. They like socialism because it takes money from those who have too much to spend and gives it to those who need it.

Communism is socialism you fucking moron. They are one and the same.*rubs my aching temples* I am surrounded by utter stupidity, and the stars and stripes leads that stupidity.

[got tonkaed]

Are you serious? Did someone say Socialism takes money from those who don't need it and gives it to those that do. My brother is going to college, and we suffer huge taxes. We could barely afford him going to college and had to take monstrous loans that he and my parents will be paying their whole life, and the same thing will happen to me? How is that fair?

now im not gonna sit here and say that socialism is the end all be all answer to any of those problems but just comment that frequently many people find a way to support ideological positions that act in direct opposition to their economic interests.

[Risktaker17]

Are you serious? Did someone say Socialism takes money from those who don't need it and gives it to those that do. My brother is going to college, and we suffer huge taxes. We could barely afford him going to college and had to take monstrous loans that he and my parents will be paying their whole life, and the same thing will happen to me? How is that fair?

I think that's kind of their point.

No the point is that a middle class family is being taxed greatly to help the poor. We would be perfectly fine if it weren't for the need to help the poor.

[Der Fuhrer]

Are you serious? Did someone say Socialism takes money from those who don't need it and gives it to those that do. My brother is going to college, and we suffer huge taxes. We could barely afford him going to college and had to take monstrous loans that he and my parents will be paying their whole life, and the same thing will happen to me? How is that fair?

It's not like all the money you pay goes to the poor. Half of it goes to defense, the rest goes to the essentials like education and roads and police, and a small sliver goes to helping the poor. So don't blame them for your taxes. Besides, I'm talking the upper 1% those who literally have too much money to spend (The upper 1% holds apx 40% the wealth of this country).

Ah, so, because the rich have simply too much disposable income, you feel you should be entitled to it yes? You sound like the kid who whines to his momma that his little brother received a greater portion of cereal in his bowl than you did, thus showing a clear inequity, and momma damn well better do something about it.

[Risktaker17]

I can't believe I am agreeing with a guy with the username Der Fuhrer, but he is right. The people with huge amounts of money earned it one way or another, and what right do you have to leech of their success.

[Frigidus]

Are you serious? Did someone say Socialism takes money from those who don't need it and gives it to those that do. My brother is going to college, and we suffer huge taxes. We could barely afford him going to college and had to take monstrous loans that he and my parents will be paying their whole life, and the same thing will happen to me? How is that fair?

I think that's kind of their point.

No the point is that a middle class family is being taxed greatly to help the poor. We would be perfectly fine if it weren't for the need to help the poor.

As mentioned earlier most taxes go towards the war in iraq and funding the police. Now (tell me if I'm wrong here) I think that in a socialist system all education is paid for by the government. That's what I had meant, not that you were an example or anything like that.

[radiojake]

No the point is that a middle class family is being taxed greatly to help the poor. We would be perfectly fine if it weren't for the need to help the poor.

So you don't mind exploiting the poor, but won't give anything back. Poor sport

[Napoleon Ier]

I hope this thread is a joke, Capitalism is obviously the best economic system ever created. It rewards the hardest workers and greatest achievers. Why should the less successful hold down the great and intelligent. Communism is an awful system of economics. It strips away all motivation to work hard. You work for you brothers but why not for yourself. There is no reason to work hard in a communist society, you are equal whether you are Albert Einstein or a complete idiot. Don't you think Einstein should be rewarded and praised more than the village idiot. Communism is just awful. Not good in theory or practice. Capitalism rewards the intelligent, it is the best system.

Quite right, and fascism seeks to keep capitalism under strict control, ensuring that it does not become more powerful that the State in which it operates. Democracy is a joke, and should be destroyed.

Fascism is the joke, it is a politco-existential doctrine effectively consisting in para-militarisation of society which attempts to create new men serving the state and emptied of all individual subjectivity, and so has evidently strong neo-Socialist undertones. In short, it is a sophisticated variant of socialism, with a few bits lopped on or off of it.

[radiojake]

I can't believe I am agreeing with a guy with the username Der Fuhrer, but he is right. The people with huge amounts of money earned it one way or another, and what right do you have to leech of their success.

I doubt even half of them 'earned' it

[Der Fuhrer]

No the point is that a middle class family is being taxed greatly to help the poor. We would be perfectly fine if it weren't for the need to help the poor.

So you don't mind exploiting the poor, but won't give anything back. Poor sport

How the f*ck is he exploiting the poor? Fucking commies, and their constant whining when they are discovered as being too fucking lazy to get themselves a fucking job.

[got tonkaed]

admit it napoleon you added that lopped on bit to appease me didnt you...

[comic boy]

Are you serious? Did someone say Socialism takes money from those who don't need it and gives it to those that do. My brother is going to college, and we suffer huge taxes. We could barely afford him going to college and had to take monstrous loans that he and my parents will be paying their whole life, and the same thing will happen to me? How is that fair?

I think that's kind of their point.

No the point is that a middle class family is being taxed greatly to help the poor. We would be perfectly fine if it weren't for the need to help the poor.

You dont think a great deal of your tax goes on defence then....seems to me that helping the poor is better than invading other countries to make Bush and his cronies richer. Incidently what percentage of your income actually goes on tax because im pretty sure USA rates are pretty low in comparison with many other countries.

[Napoleon Ier]

admit it napoleon you added that lopped on bit to appease me didnt you...

I have no need to appease, only to more acurately depict to you the masked parallels between fascism and socialism.

[Risktaker17]

Facism and Communism are both awful, so why have either? Exploiting the poor how so? I don't understand that. I'm not say destroy all charities but the government isn't a charity. and it should not force people to donate.

[radiojake]

No the point is that a middle class family is being taxed greatly to help the poor. We would be perfectly fine if it weren't for the need to help the poor.

So you don't mind exploiting the poor, but won't give anything back. Poor sport

How the f*ck is he exploiting the poor? Fucking commies, and their constant whining when they are discovered as being too fucking lazy to get themselves a fucking job.

Well if he is living a Middle class american lifestyle, he would be indirectly exploiting third world labour purely with all of the products his family consumes.

[Risktaker17]

I don't care if the tax percentage is low it should be 0% its the principle!

[Risktaker17]

Exploiting third world labor are you a joke? I'm sorry I will never buy a product again, China is essential to America, I hate to say it. I believe it is awful what is done there, but it is essential if Americans want to pay low prices on things.

[Tyr]

i think most people assume that the greed and corruption that pervades ameircan culture and to a lesser extent world cultures in general are pridcuts of capitalism when really the really they are the effects if a goverment trying to regulate capitalism with socialist undertones i'dhate for my answer to sound simplistic but i think the answer to alot of problems in the world isnt more government regulations or a growing welfare sate but a drastically smaller goverment with a sound fiscal policy

[Der Fuhrer]

I hope this thread is a joke, Capitalism is obviously the best economic system ever created. It rewards the hardest workers and greatest achievers. Why should the less successful hold down the great and intelligent. Communism is an awful system of economics. It strips away all motivation to work hard. You work for you brothers but why not for yourself. There is no reason to work hard in a communist society, you are equal whether you are Albert Einstein or a complete idiot. Don't you think Einstein should be rewarded and praised more than the village idiot. Communism is just awful. Not good in theory or practice. Capitalism rewards the intelligent, it is the best system.

Quite right, and fascism seeks to keep capitalism under strict control, ensuring that it does not become more powerful that the State in which it operates. Democracy is a joke, and should be destroyed.

Fascism is the joke, it is a politco-existential doctrine effectively consisting in para-militarisation of society which attempts to create new men serving the state and emptied of all individual subjectivity, and so has evidently strong neo-Socialist undertones. In short, it is a sophisticated variant of socialism, with a few bits lopped on or off of it.

What is all this para-militarisation bullshit? By your own logic, the USA is fascist, which it clearly is not. In a fascist society, one's independent identity only matters if it benefits the State, and therefore the people as a whole. Democracy works the same way, with the authoritarian rule of the many, over the few. Fascism was born out of socialism, but it is not a variant of socialism, for it borrows from every conceivable ideology. It is an amalgam of theories, tucked under one roof, and enforced via authoritarian, and often totalitarian rule.

[Napoleon Ier]

Exploiting the third world? Why, because Mboko of Nigeria, rather than work, could just run free with the antelope and be just fine as an alternative?

Yeah, the third world is poorly off : That is not the Occident's fault.

We pour money into their systems, and it is effectively wasted. What is needed is a huge politico-economic event to modernize third world politics, which western influence can help bring about.