Incestious Marraige

[SultanOfSurreal]

The indoctrination of children with gay propaganda through the public school system (like what occurs in California) is just plane wrong.

Gay propaganda?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rNmeXEtT9M

This type of shit does not belong in the public school system,

i don't see a classroom in this video broheim

[got tonkaed]

The indoctrination of children with gay propaganda through the public school system (like what occurs in California) is just plane wrong.

Gay propaganda?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rNmeXEtT9M

This type of shit does not belong in the public school system, and there have been numerous lawsuits in California.

Arguably, things like this violate the First Ammendment in several ways when shown in the public school system.

Have you read the First Amendment?

took a while to read but im not sure how its relevant to the thread....

http://www.arlingtonva.us/DEPARTMENTS/CountyBoard/meetings/2007/jan/jan27/16_Attachment_1.pdf

[thegreekdog]

I guess we all need to be more specific.

[got tonkaed]

:lol: I guess we all need to be more specific.

im not gonna lie, it took me a couple google searches to figure out how to get first amendment without getting the first amendment.

Also i couldnt figure out how to hide the link because i am an idiot, it would have been much more clever had i just had a url of the first amendment instead of an obvious wrong link

[thegreekdog]

:lol: I guess we all need to be more specific.

im not gonna lie, it took me a couple google searches to figure out how to get first amendment without getting the first amendment.

Also i couldnt figure out how to hide the link because i am an idiot, it would have been much more clever had i just had a url of the first amendment instead of an obvious wrong link

I suppose the County Board in Arlington, VA could have included a copy of the First Amendment to the US Constitution in some meeting agenda. That's why I clicked the link.

[GabonX]

The indoctrination of children with gay propaganda through the public school system (like what occurs in California) is just plane wrong.

Gay propaganda?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rNmeXEtT9M

This type of shit does not belong in the public school system, and there have been numerous lawsuits in California.

Arguably, things like this violate the First Ammendment in several ways when shown in the public school system.

Have you read the First Amendment?

Yes. It's not the best argument in the world, but an argument could be made that showing these kinds of things in schools is akin to the establishment for or against of certain religious beliefs.

Regardless of whether this argument holds water, a public school should not be used to indoctrinate students with gay propoganda like what happens in California.

The indoctrination of children with gay propaganda through the public school system (like what occurs in California) is just plane wrong.

Gay propaganda?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rNmeXEtT9M

This type of shit does not belong in the public school system,

i don't see a classroom in this video broheim

There have been numerous lawsuits about this kind of thing being snuck in under the radar in California.

It's wrong.

[SultanOfSurreal]

The indoctrination of children with gay propaganda through the public school system (like what occurs in California) is just plane wrong.

Gay propaganda?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rNmeXEtT9M

This type of shit does not belong in the public school system,

i don't see a classroom in this video broheim

There have been numerous lawsuits about this kind of thing being snuck in under the radar in California.

It's wrong.

please cite an instance

[GabonX]

please cite an instance

Children as young as two years of age are in the bull's-eye of coming changes in California's school curriculum, which "gay rights" advocates now admit will alter the very foundation of information presented to public school classrooms.

A list of school resources, sponsored by a homosexual-advocacy group called Safe Schools Coalition, suggests that for those who are only two years old, there's "Felicia's Favorite Story," which tells how she was "adopted by her two mothers."

The list also promotes a book called "Are You a Girl or a Boy?" by Karleen Jiminez, a resource for children ages 4-8 when advocating homosexuality, bisexuality, transgenderism and other alternative lifestyle choices.

It's described as "A sweet book about a gender-different kid."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=59259


A California school district seems intent on teaching pre-school children to accept the homosexual lifestyle.

The Alameda Unified School District announced it was considering a supplemental curriculum to eradicate "homophobia" in kindergarten children. Brad Dacus, founder of the Pacific Justice Institute (PJI), said the meeting room for the public session earlier this week was overcrowded with angry parents.

"Nowhere at anytime did it give any protection for children being bullied because of their faith, their religion, their size, their race, ethnicity," he points out. "It is only going to give this special anti-bullying protection for homosexuals and transsexuals."

Dacus said an attorney from PJI spoke before the board meeting. "And [the attorney] made it very clear that this is an abridgement and an affront to the neutral role that school districts are supposed to play in respecting the rights of parents and not to engage in such overt and open indoctrination and mandatory acceptance of such controversial, immoral lifestyles," he concludes.

Parents cannot opt out their children from the curriculum. Dacus says it is important to remember that the children are kindergarten age, and many cannot even write their names -- yet they are being taught that homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Education/Def ... ?id=529992


There are tons of examples. It wouldn't be such a big deal if the kids were a bit older, but there is a clear agenda to indoctrinate young children in place..

[got tonkaed]

I was gonna say, that would be an incredibly easy one to google search especially if you assume wnd simply spins and doesnt make things up.

[Neoteny]

:lol: I guess we all need to be more specific.

im not gonna lie, it took me a couple google searches to figure out how to get first amendment without getting the first amendment.

Also i couldnt figure out how to hide the link because i am an idiot, it would have been much more clever had i just had a url of the first amendment instead of an obvious wrong link

You clever bastard.

Yes. It's not the best argument in the world, but an argument could be made that showing these kinds of things in schools is akin to the establishment for or against of certain religious beliefs.

Regardless of whether this argument holds water, a public school should not be used to indoctrinate students with gay propoganda like what happens in California.

I don't see the harm in teaching children (what is our education system if it isn't indoctrination?) about issues they'll face regarding the homosexual community. To use a tired example, if we hadn't indoctrinated our kids to be able to face racial integration fairly, where would we be now? If it's for a good cause, we tend to avoid calling it "indoctrination." You just call it indoctrination because you disagree with it. What's puzzling is that you don't seem to mind indoctrinating older kids (is this so parents have time to indoctrinate their children first? It's wrong for society to have the ability to form a child's mind, but ok for parents to warp it as they see fit?).

You can call it "indoctrinating propaganda" all you like, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of meaning behind those words.

[GabonX]

I don't see the harm in teaching children (what is our education system if it isn't indoctrination?) about issues they'll face regarding the homosexual community. To use a tired example, if we hadn't indoctrinated our kids to be able to face racial integration fairly, where would we be now? If it's for a good cause, we tend to avoid calling it "indoctrination." You just call it indoctrination because you disagree with it. What's puzzling is that you don't seem to mind indoctrinating older kids (is this so parents have time to indoctrinate their children first? It's wrong for society to have the ability to form a child's mind, but ok for parents to warp it as they see fit?).

You can call it "indoctrinating propaganda" all you like, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of meaning behind those words.

It's not the place of schools to indoctrinate children with anything. Frankly I think that schools teach to much of the wrong kinds of information. Reading, mathematics and other things which will result in applicable life skills should be taught.

I don't think older kids should be presented politically biased information either, but that would be nowhere near as bad as what is going on. In a general sense, political opinions should not be pushed on to the younger generations through the schools.

Yes, parents should be able to raise their own children.

[Neoteny]

I don't trust in your ability to teach respect for human rights to your children. As such, I feel the school system should step in to do so. It is not only to be fair to homosexuals, it is to be fair to your children who are being deprived responsible parenting.

[thegreekdog]

I don't trust in your ability to teach respect for human rights to your children. As such, I feel the school system should step in to do so. It is not only to be fair to homosexuals, it is to be fair to your children who are being deprived responsible parenting.

To which Gabon replies "I don't trust in your ability to teach respect for human rights to your children," and then we go round and round and round...

[Neoteny]

I figured we should just jump right into it.

[GabonX]

I don't trust in your ability to teach respect for human rights to your children. As such, I feel the school system should step in to do so. It is not only to be fair to homosexuals, it is to be fair to your children who are being deprived responsible parenting.

In doing so you violate basic human rights.

Who is it that decides what agenda should or should not be pursued?

[got tonkaed]

I think it is entirely incorrect to assume that schools do not indoctrinate children and its even more incorrect to assume that they should not. We wouldnt have much in the way of a society if we didnt tie in the ideological discipline to the advancement of abilities to prepare students for adult life.

You can argue till your blue in the face about the x,y,z's of what should be added or removed from this process, but it seems silly to argue we should absolve one of the many key functions of a school is to train the individual to equate advancement of skills to a conformity with authority.

The school boards in short and the social totality in the long answer in regards to Gabon's question.

[thegreekdog]

Gabon and Neoteny - what are your thoughts on mandating the pledge of allegience in school? I'm always looking for the consistency in arguments...

[GabonX]

Gabon and Neoteny - what are your thoughts on mandating the pledge of allegience in school? I'm always looking for the consistency in arguments...

I don't think it should be mandated, and to the best of my knowledge, it has been ruled that a student has the right not to say it.

I always said it myself.

[Neoteny]

I don't trust in your ability to teach respect for human rights to your children. As such, I feel the school system should step in to do so. It is not only to be fair to homosexuals, it is to be fair to your children who are being deprived responsible parenting.

In doing so you violate basic human rights.

Who is it that decides what agenda should or should not be pursued?

What basic human right is being violated by teaching our children not to unfairly discriminate? You've already stated that the right to freedom of religion is barely, if that, applicable, and likely not to succeed. Can you think of any others?

Tonka answered your question well, imo.

Gabon and Neoteny - what are your thoughts on mandating the pledge of allegience in school? I'm always looking for the consistency in arguments...

Heh, my brother called me a communist (the obvious alternative) when I refused to recite the Pledge at my sister's high school graduation. I think my rebellion there even made my girlfriend a little nervous.

The Pledge of Allegience (with or without god) should not be mandated because I don't see an applicable purpose for doing so other than for purposes of brute nationalism. I can do without that I think. Is that inconsistent, you think?

Gabon and Neoteny - what are your thoughts on mandating the pledge of allegience in school? I'm always looking for the consistency in arguments...

I don't think it should be mandated, and to the best of my knowledge, it has been ruled that a student has the right not to say it.

I always said it myself.

I did too, until I actually stopped to think about what it entailed (well out of high school by that time).

[thegreekdog]

The Pledge of Allegience (with or without god) should not be mandated because I don't see an applicable purpose for doing so other than for purposes of brute nationalism. I can do without that I think. Is that inconsistent, you think?

I kind of think that's inconsistent considering you are in favor of indoctrinating children to being open to homosexuals. Why not indoctrinate children to having an allegiance to their country?

I've always recited the pledge of allegiance, stood at baseball games for the national anthem, etc., etc. From a "it's perfectly within your rights, though I think you're being ridiculous" standpoint, I have no problem with people sitting for the national anthem or not reciting the pledge of allegiance. I also have no problem with teaching kids that homosexuality is okay in school. However, I also don't have a problem with Mary Sue being excused from class (and not failing) because her parents don't want her to be taught that homosexuality is okay.

[got tonkaed]

Meh, i dont think such inconsistencies are a big issue. Especially when you consider how big the umbrella would have to be.

[thegreekdog]

Meh, i dont think such inconsistencies are a big issue. Especially when you consider how big the umbrella would have to be.

I don't mind inconsistencies either, generally. I have no problem with neoteny supporting homosexuality in school and not standing for the pledge of allegenice. What I do mind is when someone ridicules (too strong a word?) someone else for their beliefs while engaging in the same sort of activities with respect to their own beliefs; this is the type of hypocrisy that drives me nuts. Like the person who is vehemently pro-life when it comes to abortion and ridicules those that have abortions but is vehemently pro death penalty. Or the person who vehemently argues for homosexuality to be taught in schools because it's the best thing for the children, but doesn't want the same school to mandate standing for the pledge of allegiance. Annoys the hell out of me.

[pimpdave]

Gabon and Neoteny - what are your thoughts on mandating the pledge of allegience in school? I'm always looking for the consistency in arguments...

It is absolutely essential that the generations of the future have just as many opportunities to mock and pun the Pledge of Allegiance as ours did, and if you take out the "under god" part, you lose one of the best, most common, lines to alter to great hilarious effect.

And yes, I did get detention in 4th grade for doing it. Repeatedly. I couldn't help myself. Every time I thought up something new, I tried it out to see if I could get my classmates to crack up.

[GabonX]

I don't trust in your ability to teach respect for human rights to your children. As such, I feel the school system should step in to do so. It is not only to be fair to homosexuals, it is to be fair to your children who are being deprived responsible parenting.

In doing so you violate basic human rights.

Who is it that decides what agenda should or should not be pursued?

What basic human right is being violated by teaching our children not to unfairly discriminate? You've already stated that the right to freedom of religion is barely, if that, applicable, and likely not to succeed. Can you think of any others?

I get sick of it when I ask a question, the person cannot answer it, and then goes on to ask another question which I go on to answer.

It is arguably a violation of people's religion. It's not the role of government to instill other people's values into someone else's children while a political debate is still going on.

Also, gays are not discriminated against in our country. They have the exact same rights as everyone else.

[pimpdave]

Also, gays are not discriminated against in our country. They have the exact same rights as everyone else.

http://www.impiousdigest.com/index.php? ... ys-general