Zimmerman vs. DMX - Boxing Match?

[Army of GOD]

It looks like they just increased the brightness and lowered the noise, neither of which is magic

Indeed they aren't.

De-noising isn't an exact science, it's based on frequency analysis - basically just smoothing out certain frequencies of the image... it doesn't make wounds magically appear where none were visible before.

The "wound" is obviously photoshopped. It doesn't even look real.

....who knew PLAYER57832 had a bastard kid in Finland.......

haha, I thought the same thing...


maybe PLAYER and natty are multis...

[natty dread]

AoG, you're so short, you need a ladder to scratch your balls.

[Borderdawg]

....who knew PLAYER57832 had a bastard kid in Finland.......

She does? Nice.

I suppose you're the father then? I can't imagine how else you'd know about her progeny...

........well, I've been with some real skanky bitches in my day, and you're what, 28, 29? So it is quite possible you could be one of my demon spawn..........

Who, me? Nah. I'm too good looking to be related to you.

[/quote]

Are you sure? I'm considered quite striking in 6 of the 9 Circles, and above average in the rest!

[Phatscotty]

Just ONCE I want a typical leftist to agree with the rights or a typical rightist to agree with the lefts.

I feel like all of you guys are mentally incapable of seeing arguments from different points of view.


also, this is my take on it: none of us were there. We can only imagine what the f*ck really happened between the Zimmerman telegram and Steve Martin. I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I know one was in the wrong, because I wasn't fucking there. Yes, the US has a massive race problem (both whites and blacks are at fault), but it's perpetuated when we have idiots who go back and forth continuously (enter New Black Panthers, Spike Lee being an idiot, etc.).

Interestingly, Glenn Beck is the only one I know of where numerous times Liberals and Democrats have gave him credit for being right or doing the right thing. On the flip side, the only Conservative I have really seen admit that Democrats or Liberals are right about something from time to time is Glenn Beck. Guess that explains why the zombies call him crazy the most.

[Phatscotty]

You gonna tell me that that young man would be able to take on Zimmerman and beat him to death without help from others.

The eye witnesses are telling you that, and so is the police report, and it certainly seems to be panning out that way.

The main thing I have seen that goes against Z, in my opinion, is the recent privately funded sound test that verified with a very high probability that the few screams heard on one of the 911 calls were not Z. There is also the possibility that not every scream for help was heard on the 911 call. Obviously, there was more screaming before the woman called 911.

There has not been any tests to see if it was Trayvon's voice, and they are having a difficult time finding any voice samples from Trayvon to use other than his voicemail, which seems to be a problem for some reason.

I expect that another expert will testify in court if there is a trial that there is a 99% probability that the screams did not come from Martin.

[Lootifer]

Interesting photo; if anything to me (pure opinion, i know nothing) that is an argument for the scuffle being tiny, boarding on insignificant:

Bald man with close shaved head is being beaten on the concrete ground and theres no blood? Really? That means he didnt even get the slightest of scratches since head wounds bleed like basterds! (speaking as an unko skiier and ex rugbyplayer ).

Anyhoo this is all meaningless. I agree with Scottys sentiments that the media is to blame here; just viewing from a very different perspective. (FWIW I think the self defense laws + gun laws = trainwreck though).

[Phatscotty]

yeah Loot, it was just a gentle banging of the head into the concrete, not a real, serious like headbanging.



He looks like he has a vagina on his head.

[natty dread]

I once saw a bald guy being hit in the back of the head with a metal pipe. Poor guy dropped to the floor like his legs were made of spaghetti. There were pieces of his head and blood everywhere. The guy was rushed to a hospital real fast.

One thing is for sure, he sure as hell didn't look like a drunk monkey had sat on his head after stuffing a lipstick up it's arse.

[Night Strike]

You gonna tell me that that young man would be able to take on Zimmerman and beat him to death without help from others.

The eye witnesses are telling you that, and so is the police report, and it certainly seems to be panning out that way.

The main thing I have seen that goes against Z, in my opinion, is the recent privately funded sound test that verified with a very high probability that the few screams heard on one of the 911 calls were not Z. There is also the possibility that not every scream for help was heard on the 911 call. Obviously, there was more screaming before the woman called 911.

There has not been any tests to see if it was Trayvon's voice, and they are having a difficult time finding any voice samples from Trayvon to use other than his voicemail, which seems to be a problem for some reason.

I expect that another expert will testify in court if there is a trial that there is a 99% probability that the screams did not come from Martin.

From what I heard, the sound test was simply a comparison between Zimmerman's call to 911 to the background screams heard in the witness's 911 call. They were comparing a hushed tone to a background scream, so hardly a comparison of apples to apples, which is why it was only a 48% probability of a match. However, they didn't do any type of analysis comparing the screams to Martin's voice because they didn't have anything to compare it to. If there is a 0% chance that the scream was Martin's, then the 48% match to Zimmerman will be much higher in reality.

[Symmetry]

You gonna tell me that that young man would be able to take on Zimmerman and beat him to death without help from others.

The eye witnesses are telling you that, and so is the police report, and it certainly seems to be panning out that way.

The main thing I have seen that goes against Z, in my opinion, is the recent privately funded sound test that verified with a very high probability that the few screams heard on one of the 911 calls were not Z. There is also the possibility that not every scream for help was heard on the 911 call. Obviously, there was more screaming before the woman called 911.

There has not been any tests to see if it was Trayvon's voice, and they are having a difficult time finding any voice samples from Trayvon to use other than his voicemail, which seems to be a problem for some reason.

I expect that another expert will testify in court if there is a trial that there is a 99% probability that the screams did not come from Martin.

From what I heard, the sound test was simply a comparison between Zimmerman's call to 911 to the background screams heard in the witness's 911 call. They were comparing a hushed tone to a background scream, so hardly a comparison of apples to apples, which is why it was only a 48% probability of a match. However, they didn't do any type of analysis comparing the screams to Martin's voice because they didn't have anything to compare it to. If there is a 0% chance that the scream was Martin's, then the 48% match to Zimmerman will be much higher in reality.

What you heard was wrong. Two sound tests were performed, with different methods, so I don't get what you're basing your statement on. Have a look at my source further up the thread.

[Phatscotty]

Yeah I listened to both of those guys a few times, including watching a full episode of Al Sharptons miserable show.

The two voice "experts" had a few disagreements...

in other news

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/trayvon ... nbc-msnbc/

NBC and MSNBC Apologize for ‘Error’ in Coverage of Trayvon Martin Case

Oh, really? an error? ya don't sayyyyyyy!

The Trayvon Martin case has become a lightning rod for controversy, with the facts of the tragic case becoming the centerpiece of what is slowly beginning to look like a nationwide media war. And to media cynics on both sides, that information warring is only proving that, to paraphrase a popular TV show, when you play the game of ratings, you win or you lie.

NBC News and its partner MSNBC haven’t been on the winning side recently. In fact, two recent incidents have been very unkind to the company. First, there was the revelation that NBC might have doctored a clip of a 911 call made by shooter George Zimmerman before his confrontation with Trayvon Martin. The original call ran as follows:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

The altered NBC version simply ran this way:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.

Now NBC has actually issued a public apology for the doctored clip, along with an assurance that they will be conducting an investigation to find out how the doctored version got aired. Here’s the text of their statement, as reposted by the Washington Post:

During our investigation it became evident that there was an error made in the production process that we deeply regret. We will be taking the necessary steps to prevent this from happening in the future and apologize to our viewers.

Unfortunately, this isn’t the only controversy which NBC and its affiliates have been embroiled in regarding its coverage of the Martin case. MSNBC host Al Sharpton has been involving himself in the controversy to the point that some news sources are suggesting he’s crossed a line. But more noticeably still, MSNBC Pop Cultural contributor Toure recently attacked CNN anchor Piers Morgan for being too willing to hear both sides of the story. Specifically, Morgan had invited George Zimmerman’s brother, Robert Zimmerman, to appear on his show – something Toure found objectionable.

The reason he gave was that George and Robert Zimmerman were allegedly estranged – a “fact” which Morgan himself shot down as incorrect. Moreover, he accused Piers Morgan of softballing his interview with Robert Zimmerman. Morgan denied and refuted the charge, leading Toure to sputter with rage about how Morgan should have asked even more pointed questions, for instance how one would quantify Robert Zimmerman’s suggestion that his brother was “the most honest brother.” Here’s the segment involved:

Unfortunately for Toure, he might have been too aggressive himself. In fact, he had to specifically apologize via Twitter for what Yahoo News called a “meltdown.” The damage, however, was done. RedState gleefully seized on one portion of Toure’s remarks:

The most stunning admission yet came from something called a Touré, which is apparently an MSNBC contributor. Touré apparently got tired of being on a television channel no one watches so he went on Piers Morgan last week to take Piers to task for the journalistic crime of getting both sides of the story:

You know, at NBC, in the hallways, we were laughing at you today,” Touré told Morgan. “We wouldn’t take [Robert Zimmerman]. Standards and Practices at NBC wouldn’t let him get through door. And you had him on the air and allowed the hundreds of thousands or tens of thousands or whatever number of people watch your show listen to what he had to say.

This is the first time I can remember an alleged news figure explicitly stating that his network had a policy against allowing one of the major players in a national news story to give his side. My favorite part of Touré’s hysterical rant was his indignation at the fact that people would hear what Zimmerman had to say. One thing is clear – the way the media has been covering this story so far validates that Touré really was telling the truth. Journalistic Standards and Practices apparently don’t allow for any coverage of the Trayvon Martin story that would suggest that the race pimps who are currently hustling this story don’t have it right.

This repeated necessity for a major network to walk back its coverage, or for its contributors to apologize, is not a good sign for the company in question.

GUILTY!!!!!!!!

[Night Strike]

The only "error" with NBC and MSNBC is their blatant disregard for honesty and integrity.

[oVo]

in other news

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/trayvon ... nbc-msnbc/

NBC and MSNBC Apologize for ‘Error’ in Coverage of Trayvon Martin Case

Oh, really? an error? ya don't sayyyyyyy!

The Trayvon Martin case has become a lightning rod for controversy, with the facts of the tragic case becoming the centerpiece of what is slowly beginning to look like a nationwide media war. And to media cynics on both sides, that information warring is only proving that, to paraphrase a popular TV show, when you play the game of ratings, you win or you lie.

NBC News and its partner MSNBC haven’t been on the winning side recently. In fact, two recent incidents have been very unkind to the company. First, there was the revelation that NBC might have doctored a clip of a 911 call made by shooter George Zimmerman before his confrontation with Trayvon Martin. The original call ran as follows:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

The altered NBC version simply ran this way:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.

Now NBC has actually issued a public apology for the doctored clip, along with an assurance that they will be conducting an investigation to find out how the doctored version got aired. Here’s the text of their statement, as reposted by the Washington Post:

During our investigation it became evident that there was an error made in the production process that we deeply regret. We will be taking the necessary steps to prevent this from happening in the future and apologize to our viewers.

Unfortunately, this isn’t the only controversy which NBC and its affiliates have been embroiled in regarding its coverage of the Martin case. MSNBC host Al Sharpton has been involving himself in the controversy to the point that some news sources are suggesting he’s crossed a line. But more noticeably still, MSNBC Pop Cultural contributor Toure recently attacked CNN anchor Piers Morgan for being too willing to hear both sides of the story. Specifically, Morgan had invited George Zimmerman’s brother, Robert Zimmerman, to appear on his show – something Toure found objectionable.

The reason he gave was that George and Robert Zimmerman were allegedly estranged – a “fact” which Morgan himself shot down as incorrect. Moreover, he accused Piers Morgan of softballing his interview with Robert Zimmerman. Morgan denied and refuted the charge, leading Toure to sputter with rage about how Morgan should have asked even more pointed questions, for instance how one would quantify Robert Zimmerman’s suggestion that his brother was “the most honest brother.” Here’s the segment involved:

Unfortunately for Toure, he might have been too aggressive himself. In fact, he had to specifically apologize via Twitter for what Yahoo News called a “meltdown.” The damage, however, was done. RedState gleefully seized on one portion of Toure’s remarks:

The most stunning admission yet came from something called a Touré, which is apparently an MSNBC contributor. Touré apparently got tired of being on a television channel no one watches so he went on Piers Morgan last week to take Piers to task for the journalistic crime of getting both sides of the story:

You know, at NBC, in the hallways, we were laughing at you today,” Touré told Morgan. “We wouldn’t take [Robert Zimmerman]. Standards and Practices at NBC wouldn’t let him get through door. And you had him on the air and allowed the hundreds of thousands or tens of thousands or whatever number of people watch your show listen to what he had to say.

This is the first time I can remember an alleged news figure explicitly stating that his network had a policy against allowing one of the major players in a national news story to give his side. My favorite part of Touré’s hysterical rant was his indignation at the fact that people would hear what Zimmerman had to say. One thing is clear – the way the media has been covering this story so far validates that Touré really was telling the truth. Journalistic Standards and Practices apparently don’t allow for any coverage of the Trayvon Martin story that would suggest that the race pimps who are currently hustling this story don’t have it right.

This repeated necessity for a major network to walk back its coverage, or for its contributors to apologize, is not a good sign for the company in question.

Two things stand out to me here. (1) The 911 Call is not "doctored" it's edited, which is not quite the same manipulation that "doctored" or altered implies. I find his actual words more damning and judgmental than NBC's edited (without notice) version. Forming such a conclusion about a person he has yet to engage in dialogue and supposes to be black does express a predetermined stereotypical bias with his own words. (2) Robert Zimmerman IS NOT a major player in this story because he was not there and as such has nothing to contribute to the facts of this incident. As the brother of the shooter he is only a character witness and his exchange with Piers Morgan is useless. He was not a witness to this event and has nothing to contribute to the story but more speculation.

[natty dread]

Ì still don't get why Nightstrike and Phatscotty are so desperate to find something, anything that will prove zimmerman innocent. Are they so eager to get someone who killed a black guy to go free?

Why do they keep slinging mud at Trayvon Martin? Is it because their case is so weak they have to resort to mudslinging?

[Phatscotty]

Ì still don't get why Nightstrike and Phatscotty are so desperate to find something, anything that will prove zimmerman innocent. Are they so eager to get someone who killed a black guy to go free?

Why do they keep slinging mud at Trayvon Martin? Is it because their case is so weak they have to resort to mudslinging?

Yes Natty, his case is SOOOOO FUCKING WEAK, that they could not even charge him with anything. If his case was as weak as you keep suggesting, he would be in jail. He is not in jail because his case was very strong and matched up with eye-witness accounts. ... what the hell is wrong with you?

Do you get that in America we are innocent until proven guilty? No, you don't. Race has nothing to do with it. It's not mine or nightstrikes problem that you are obsessed with race and can see nothing else but the color of people skin and assume everyone else judges people by the color of their skin. That is your own form of very twisted racism, and it's so f'n clear Natty as well as disgusting.

What mud has been slung?

And on the other hand, I DO get why you continue to attack me personally......

Zimmerman is free. There is no "letting him go". You have the story so damn backwards, as usual. I have only been showing the truth, and when there is opinion it has been clearly stated as such.

[Phatscotty]

in other news

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/trayvon ... nbc-msnbc/

NBC and MSNBC Apologize for ‘Error’ in Coverage of Trayvon Martin Case

Oh, really? an error? ya don't sayyyyyyy!

The Trayvon Martin case has become a lightning rod for controversy, with the facts of the tragic case becoming the centerpiece of what is slowly beginning to look like a nationwide media war. And to media cynics on both sides, that information warring is only proving that, to paraphrase a popular TV show, when you play the game of ratings, you win or you lie.

NBC News and its partner MSNBC haven’t been on the winning side recently. In fact, two recent incidents have been very unkind to the company. First, there was the revelation that NBC might have doctored a clip of a 911 call made by shooter George Zimmerman before his confrontation with Trayvon Martin. The original call ran as follows:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

The altered NBC version simply ran this way:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.

Now NBC has actually issued a public apology for the doctored clip, along with an assurance that they will be conducting an investigation to find out how the doctored version got aired. Here’s the text of their statement, as reposted by the Washington Post:

During our investigation it became evident that there was an error made in the production process that we deeply regret. We will be taking the necessary steps to prevent this from happening in the future and apologize to our viewers.

Unfortunately, this isn’t the only controversy which NBC and its affiliates have been embroiled in regarding its coverage of the Martin case. MSNBC host Al Sharpton has been involving himself in the controversy to the point that some news sources are suggesting he’s crossed a line. But more noticeably still, MSNBC Pop Cultural contributor Toure recently attacked CNN anchor Piers Morgan for being too willing to hear both sides of the story. Specifically, Morgan had invited George Zimmerman’s brother, Robert Zimmerman, to appear on his show – something Toure found objectionable.

The reason he gave was that George and Robert Zimmerman were allegedly estranged – a “fact” which Morgan himself shot down as incorrect. Moreover, he accused Piers Morgan of softballing his interview with Robert Zimmerman. Morgan denied and refuted the charge, leading Toure to sputter with rage about how Morgan should have asked even more pointed questions, for instance how one would quantify Robert Zimmerman’s suggestion that his brother was “the most honest brother.” Here’s the segment involved:

Unfortunately for Toure, he might have been too aggressive himself. In fact, he had to specifically apologize via Twitter for what Yahoo News called a “meltdown.” The damage, however, was done. RedState gleefully seized on one portion of Toure’s remarks:

The most stunning admission yet came from something called a Touré, which is apparently an MSNBC contributor. Touré apparently got tired of being on a television channel no one watches so he went on Piers Morgan last week to take Piers to task for the journalistic crime of getting both sides of the story:

You know, at NBC, in the hallways, we were laughing at you today,” Touré told Morgan. “We wouldn’t take [Robert Zimmerman]. Standards and Practices at NBC wouldn’t let him get through door. And you had him on the air and allowed the hundreds of thousands or tens of thousands or whatever number of people watch your show listen to what he had to say.

This is the first time I can remember an alleged news figure explicitly stating that his network had a policy against allowing one of the major players in a national news story to give his side. My favorite part of Touré’s hysterical rant was his indignation at the fact that people would hear what Zimmerman had to say. One thing is clear – the way the media has been covering this story so far validates that Touré really was telling the truth. Journalistic Standards and Practices apparently don’t allow for any coverage of the Trayvon Martin story that would suggest that the race pimps who are currently hustling this story don’t have it right.

This repeated necessity for a major network to walk back its coverage, or for its contributors to apologize, is not a good sign for the company in question.

Two things stand out to me here. (1) The 911 Call is not "doctored" it's edited, which is not quite the same manipulation that "doctored" or altered implies. I find his actual words more damning and judgmental than NBC's edited (without notice) version. Forming such a conclusion about a person he has yet to engage in dialogue and supposes to be black does express a predetermined stereotypical bias with his own words. (2) Robert Zimmerman IS NOT a major player in this story because he was not there and as such has nothing to contribute to the facts of this incident. As the brother of the shooter he is only a character witness and his exchange with Piers Morgan is useless. He was not a witness to this event and has nothing to contribute to the story but more speculation.

hmm, really? So tell me Ovo, if someone did want to doctor or alter something to make it look a certain way, what would you have to do differently besides "editing"? And what words are you talking about?

Robert Zimmerman is telling the side of the story from George's account. That's all. I know a lot of people have been very angry that the other side of the story is being told. You are right, Robert was not a witness, and neither was Trayvon's parents, or the family lawyer, or Trayvon's girlfriend, or the police, or the jury that might try him, or the judge, or Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. I guess under your definition they will all be speculating too, and I don't think you can charge or jail someone based on speculation.

[oVo]

Ì still don't get why Nightstrike and Phatscotty are so desperate to find something, anything that will prove zimmerman innocent. Are they so eager to get someone who killed a black guy to go free?

I'm not convinced one way or the other of Zimmerman's guilt or innocence, but I do find his use of deadly force suspect. His own recounting of the events of that night does not include him identifying himself to Martin or any communication between them, which I also find suspect. We don't actually know if an assault preceded the shooting or who jumped who.

Scotty, the 911 transcript published was Zimmerman's words, but in an incomplete form. To "doctor" the 911 tape would include rearranging the spoken words of the actual recording so that it's playback verifies him saying something else.

Trayvon's girlfriend claims to be talking to him while Zimmerman stalked/followed him. It isn't my definition that labels all those other "participants of this debate" as speculators.

[Phatscotty]

Ì still don't get why Nightstrike and Phatscotty are so desperate to find something, anything that will prove zimmerman innocent. Are they so eager to get someone who killed a black guy to go free?

I'm not convinced one way or the other of Zimmerman's guilt or innocence, but I do find his use of deadly force suspect. His own recounting of the events of that night does not include him identifying himself to Martin or any communication between them, which I also find suspect. We don't actually know if an assault preceded the shooting or who jumped who.

Scotty, the 911 transcript published was Zimmerman's words, but in an incomplete form. To "doctor" the 911 tape would include rearranging the spoken words of the actual recording so that it's playback verifies him saying something else.

Ovo, that is almost exactly what NBC did.....they rearranged the words to of the actual recording so that it's playback verifies him implying something else, specifically, rearranged the words to imply that Zimmerman thought Trayvon was suspicious just because he was black, therefore making it racial, and giving Obama the green light to make it political.

Alinsky says on this "generate conflict to mobilize the dispossessed."

Yes, there is a difference between the two, but I'm not sure the difference is enough to warrant someone pointing out the difference.

[Symmetry]

Ì still don't get why Nightstrike and Phatscotty are so desperate to find something, anything that will prove zimmerman innocent. Are they so eager to get someone who killed a black guy to go free?

Why do they keep slinging mud at Trayvon Martin? Is it because their case is so weak they have to resort to mudslinging?

Yup, maybe TheGreekDog will step in and explain why they shouldn't comment. No no, he only does that with some people.

[pimpdave]

Wait, "the media"?

Are all forms of the media now completely unified and cooperating?

[thegreekdog]

Ì still don't get why Nightstrike and Phatscotty are so desperate to find something, anything that will prove zimmerman innocent. Are they so eager to get someone who killed a black guy to go free?

Why do they keep slinging mud at Trayvon Martin? Is it because their case is so weak they have to resort to mudslinging?

Yup, maybe TheGreekDog will step in and explain why they shouldn't comment. No no, he only does that with some people.

I already did. They ignored me.

[Symmetry]

Ì still don't get why Nightstrike and Phatscotty are so desperate to find something, anything that will prove zimmerman innocent. Are they so eager to get someone who killed a black guy to go free?

Why do they keep slinging mud at Trayvon Martin? Is it because their case is so weak they have to resort to mudslinging?

Yup, maybe TheGreekDog will step in and explain why they shouldn't comment. No no, he only does that with some people.

I already did. They ignored me.

So the next step in your top class moderating is?

[Phatscotty]

Yup, maybe TheGreekDog will step in and explain why they shouldn't comment. No no, he only does that with some people.

I already did. They ignored me.

I did not ignore it, probably just didn't see it. If there is something you want me to address tell me what page. Was it that whole extremist thing?

Dodge King out

[Phatscotty]

Wait, "the media"?

Are all forms of the media now completely unified and cooperating?

They are all on the same page with the super-sized government. all of them except for that evil lying station FOX. Fox is evil because they do not tow the government line and carry Obama's water like a responsible media outlet is supposed to do.

[thegreekdog]

Ì still don't get why Nightstrike and Phatscotty are so desperate to find something, anything that will prove zimmerman innocent. Are they so eager to get someone who killed a black guy to go free?

Why do they keep slinging mud at Trayvon Martin? Is it because their case is so weak they have to resort to mudslinging?

Yup, maybe TheGreekDog will step in and explain why they shouldn't comment. No no, he only does that with some people.

I already did. They ignored me.

So the next step in your top class moderating is?

What does a discussion have to do with moderating? I'm not telling you to stop or threatening to ban you. Why are you so whiny about this?