Israel Plans to Restore Death Penalty for Everyone but Jews

[Metsfanmax]

the position you're trying to advance, that Israel is a "decent state."

Perhaps you're incapable of basic reading comprehension, because that statement you refer to was clearly a hypothetical in response to your ridiculous argument, not a statement about my own feelings on the subject (which I have stated many times now, and are very different from "Israel is a decent state"). You're almost starting to sound like Phatscotty.

[GabonX]

Show me where I've used scripture to justify anything on these boards...

He won't, because this fallacy runs much deeper than just ad hominem, as I've pointed out in this thread. If I were to post something by some random blogger in the Westboro Baptist Church, say, about the state of gay marriage laws in West Virginia, he probably wouldn't spend pages talking about how I hate gays. However, when I post something about a question of fact -- whether or not Hamas bombed a region during a ceasefire -- from a clearly biased source about Israel, suddenly that means I hate Arabs. This has nothing to do with posting things from questionable sources and everything to do with the position that he is trying to advance.

I think it's hilarious that he's calling me a birther now based on the flimsy pretense that when you search for "birth certificate" under my name ten (actually 12 now because of the two posts in this thread) posts come up. In exactly 0 of them did I argue Obama was borne on Kenya/Mars/wherever, but that doesn't stop Saxi from making his attempt at character assasination.

Interestingly enough, when you search for "birth certificate" under Saxi's name 34 results appear, and we're treated to gems like this:

Latest Twist: Why Does Birth Certificate Consist of Multiple Layers?

When the PDF file given from WhiteHouse.gov is opened in Adobe Illustrator it shows up in different layers. Our analysis of the latest controversy: The original birth certificate was probably in a ‘negative’ form, and someone at the White House took it upon themselves to doctor it up so the form can be readable.

http://wireupdate.com/video/2011/04/pre ... as-layers/

The latter explanation seems plausible, however, with all the controversy surrounding this, one would imagine a statement of explanation describing that the document had been graphically "enhanced" for readability would have accompanied the release. Right?

The Smoking Gun on the birth certificate:

• In the “This Birth” box there are two mysterious Xs above “Twin” and “Triplet.” Is there a sibling or two unaccounted for?

Does Obama have a sibling he is trying to hide? Who is the sibling and what has he done that needs to be kept quiet? Is this the reason he was stalling? To "clean up" "loose ends"? We already know he's ordered the deaths of more than 1,000 women and children in Pakistan. Surely a homicidal maniac like that wouldn't bat an eye at ordering an embarrassing brother "handled"?

• The typed text in most of the fields are centered. Why wouldn’t they all be left justified? This form was supposedly filled in by typewriter in 1961. Who would figure out the center of almost every field and the length of every answer and then center each one manually?

• The certificate establishes Obama's father's nationality as Kenyan. Is Obama a dual US-British citizen?

A case prepared in 1916 that "dual citizens" do not meet the requirement of "natural born citizens" to disqualify Republican Charles Evans Hughes from holding the Presidency had he won that election over Democrat Woodrow Wilson:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/29744612/Brec ... zen-Within

Though to be fair I'll give you the whole story. Saxitoxin still needs more information to take a stand either way...

For instance, if Obama had forged his birth certificate and then publicly lied to people it was authentic (which I remain to be convinced he did) do you feel that was the best course of action or would he have been better advised to - in an open and transparent manner - announce that this portion of the constitution was no longer relevant and he would not be paying attention to it. If option 2, are there other sections of the constitution Obama should feel at liberty to unilaterally amend? Let's say the Supreme Court struck down Obama's PATRIOT Act, should he feel at liberty to dissolve the Supreme Court, have the male justices executed and order Justice Ginsberg to be publicly raped in Lafayette Park as a regime opponent? Or is there a limit to which constitutional provisions a president can choose to strike down via decree?

Regardless, the point is it's rather rich for him to imply I'm a "Bible Thumper" while not being able to provide an example of me using scripture to justify anything (hint, I don't) and claiming I'm a birther when I only had 10 posts that come up when you search the term birth certificate while he has 34, with none of mine arguing Obama is from Kenya, while Saxitoxin seems open to the idea...

#adhominem #characterassassination #liar

[GabonX]

It's like Saxitoxin can't go a single post here without telling a lie, distorting reality or saying something outrageous.

based on the absolute vitriol you and your confederates have expressed for Arabs in this thread, such as comparing them to snakes and declaring them squatters

Show me a quote where I've done anything like that. I've been critical of Palestinians in the past as they elected Hamas of their own volition, but in light of the recent polls that show upwards of 80% of them want Hamas out my views are evolving. I feel bad for them because they're stuck, and if you were really pro Palestine instead of just anti Israel you would denounce Hamas as the vast majority of Palestinians do.

Anyhow, the "vitriol" you're alleging I said can't be found, and it's nowhere near the level of what you say about Israel.

it is clear you're most likely a white supremacist.

Yeah, because Israel and Judaism are so very compatible with white supremacy...

You've just made the jump from vitriolic liar to bumbling idiot.

The wonderful author, celebrated feminist, and Jewish-American Naomi Wolf (Wolf was an observant Jew who even lived in Quds for 2 years) has just renounced Judaism.

A woman denounces Judaism, I bet that makes you so happy.

As rare as radical feminists are in the Jewish community, and as unexpected as it is for them to denounce their heritage, I think Israel will be fine.

The professional Chilean football team

Ok we get it, you can find people who hate Israel as much as you do. In other news:

EU calls on Hamas to disarm, condemns use of civilians as shields

Israel received a strong backwind from an unlikely source on Tuesday, when the EU issued a statement strongly denouncing Hamas and condemning their use of civilians as human shields.

The EU’s foreign ministers, following a monthly meeting in Brussels, issued a statement on the Middle East condemning “the indiscriminate firing of rockets into Israel by Hamas and militant groups in the Gaza Strip, directly harming civilians. These are criminal and unjustifiable acts.”

The statement also called on Hamas to put an immediate end to its rocket attacks and to renounce violence.

“All terrorist groups in Gaza must disarm,” it said. “The EU strongly condemns calls on the civilian population of Gaza to provide themselves as human shields.”
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protecti ... lds-368509

If you had a shred of integrity in regards to disseminating real information you would have mentioned this somewhere between gleefully changing your thread headlines between irrelevant actresses and soccer teams.

Bumped so it doesn't get buried in Saxitoxin's garbage posts.

[saxitoxin]

No response from the bible thumpers about the Chief Rabbi of Hebron who wants to behead Gentile babies and subject POWs to medical experimentation. Just angry chaff and racist screeds.

Anyway, the Chief Rabbi is representative of Israeli state policy. The Telegraph reported that, in 2008, Israel's #1 objective was racial extermination ...

Israel aimed to 'cleanse' Gaza neighbourhoods in 2008 invasion

But in startling interviews with Israeli filmmaker Nurit Kedar, former soldiers have for the first time allowed themselves to be named while blaming their commanders for encouraging a "disproportionate" response to Hamas's rockets. They said their commanders used to "psych up" soldiers before an operation so they were ready to shoot indiscriminately.

One soldier says he was told to shell every house in a neighbourhood.

In a report to be shown on Channel 4 News on Monday, Ohad, a 24-year-old tank commander, remembers being told the night before the operation that the entry into Gaza was to be "disproportionate". Once into Gaza, he said his orders were unambiguous: "The order was very clear that if a car came within 200 metres of me I could simply shoot at it. Shoot a shell at it."

He added: "We needed to cleanse the neighbourhoods, the buildings, the area. It sounds really terrible to say 'cleanse', but those were the orders....I don't want to make a mistake with the words."



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... asion.html

bumped so it doesn't get buried in GabonX's garbage posts

[Metsfanmax]

#characterassassination

Be careful now. That's a Twitter hashtag, and saxi will accuse you of supporting the Jews because the IDF is also on Twitter.

[saxitoxin]

Mets - I think it underscores my position on you when, a few pages ago you were putting on a show for us to make it look like you were a reasonable, sound-minded person, and not a complete nutter ...

I wasn't condoning the anti-Semite label. That was the whole point of my comment -- it is a ridiculous argument

... and now you've just jumped into the deep-end with Gabby ...

saxi will accuse you of supporting the Jews because the IDF is also on Twitter

So, yeah, your little act is not all that convincing, and - frankly - extremely disgusting. You're a real piece of work.

[Metsfanmax]

Mets - I think it underscores my position on you when, a few pages ago you were putting on a show for us to make it look like you were a reasonable, sound-minded person, and not a complete nutter ...

I wasn't condoning the anti-Semite label. That was the whole point of my comment -- it is a ridiculous argument

... and now you've just jumped into the deep-end with Gabby ...

saxi will accuse you of supporting the Jews because the IDF is also on Twitter

So, yeah, your little act is not all that convincing, and - frankly - extremely disgusting. You're a real piece of work.

Apparently even humor escapes saxi now. Sigh. I'm over this.

[saxitoxin]

Mets - I think it underscores my position on you when, a few pages ago you were putting on a show for us to make it look like you were a reasonable, sound-minded person, and not a complete nutter ...

I wasn't condoning the anti-Semite label. That was the whole point of my comment -- it is a ridiculous argument

... and now you've just jumped into the deep-end with Gabby ...

saxi will accuse you of supporting the Jews because the IDF is also on Twitter

So, yeah, your little act is not all that convincing, and - frankly - extremely disgusting. You're a real piece of work.

Apparently even humor escapes saxi now. Sigh. I'm over this.

yeah nice backpedal

[GabonX]

Mets - I think it underscores my position on you when, a few pages ago you were putting on a show for us to make it look like you were a reasonable, sound-minded person, and not a complete nutter ...

I wasn't condoning the anti-Semite label. That was the whole point of my comment -- it is a ridiculous argument

... and now you've just jumped into the deep-end with Gabby ...

saxi will accuse you of supporting the Jews because the IDF is also on Twitter

So, yeah, your little act is not all that convincing, and - frankly - extremely disgusting. You're a real piece of work.

And you're a disgusting liar that characterizes Zionism with every antisemitic slur you can think of. To characterize the entire movement as such you're either extremely dishonest, insane, or both.

[Metsfanmax]

Mets - I think it underscores my position on you when, a few pages ago you were putting on a show for us to make it look like you were a reasonable, sound-minded person, and not a complete nutter ...

I wasn't condoning the anti-Semite label. That was the whole point of my comment -- it is a ridiculous argument

... and now you've just jumped into the deep-end with Gabby ...

saxi will accuse you of supporting the Jews because the IDF is also on Twitter

So, yeah, your little act is not all that convincing, and - frankly - extremely disgusting. You're a real piece of work.

Apparently even humor escapes saxi now. Sigh. I'm over this.

yeah nice backpedal

OK. If you really think that I seriously thought you would make an argument like the one I mentioned, then I have nothing left to say to you. If you don't, then you are stooping to ridiculously low levels to continue your argument, so I still have nothing left to say to you.

Later.

[saxitoxin]

If you really think that I seriously thought you would make an argument like the one I mentioned, then I have nothing left to say to you. If you don't, then you are stooping to ridiculously low levels to continue your argument, so I still have nothing left to say to you.

And you're a disgusting liar that characterizes Zionism with every antisemitic slur you can think of.

-Mets claims I'm not an anti-Semite and I'm lying about being accused of being one.
-Gabby claims I am an anti-Semite and I'm lying about not being accused of being one.

Jesus, you two are a pair of fucking loons.

[Metsfanmax]

Jesus, you two are a pair of fucking loons.

What the hell does Jesus have to do with this? Are you anti-Semitic because you're part of the Westboro Baptist Church?

[notyou2]

If you really think that I seriously thought you would make an argument like the one I mentioned, then I have nothing left to say to you. If you don't, then you are stooping to ridiculously low levels to continue your argument, so I still have nothing left to say to you.

And you're a disgusting liar that characterizes Zionism with every antisemitic slur you can think of.

-Mets claims I'm not an anti-Semite and I'm lying about being accused of being one.
-Gabby claims I am an anti-Semite and I'm lying about not being accused of being one.

Jesus, you two are a pair of fucking loons.

Loons are a peace loving bird. Keep them out of this.

[Metsfanmax]

I concede to being incorrect on the UN shelter issue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/world ... hting.html

[PLAYER57832]

I concede to being incorrect on the UN shelter issue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/world ... hting.html

GAZA CITY — An apparent Israeli strike Thursday afternoon on a school sheltering Gaza residents who evacuated their homes killed and injured “multiple” people, according to the local director of the United Nations agency that is operating the shelter.

The Palestinian ministry of health in Gaza said 10 people had been killed and “a large number” wounded at the school in Beit Hanoun, in the northern Gaza Strip.

A spokesman for the Israeli military had no immediate information about the event and said he was looking into the matter.

This was the third time that shelters set up in schools have been struck during the current conflict. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency, which is helping Palestinians displaced by the conflict, said that more than 140,000 residents of Gaza were now staying in 83 schools where it runs shelters.

And yet, Israel is still claiming justified and controlled actions and that collateral damage is solely the fault of Hammas.

Even if the initial claims, regarding kidnapping o the teens, and Hammas itself launching rockets, etc were fully correct, this response is well outside of actions of a civilized society.

Israel is turning into a devil worse than the one it claims to be fighting.

Oh, and one reason Hamas DOES NOT good control over Gaza IS Israeli actions. They prevent Palestinian leaders from acting like true leaders, but then attack the entire country when some terrorists decide to attack Israel... and Israel still denies any kind of provocation on their part, while continuing to take additional Palestinian lands, import Jews from around the world and gives a blind eye to SETTLER attacks on Palestinians within its borders.

[saxitoxin]

UN Launches Formal Inquiry into Israeli Ethnic Cleansing

The UN has established a commission of inquiry to investigate possible Israeli war crimes. The final vote in the HRC was 29-1, with only the USA voting against proceeding with the inquiry. "Yes" votes included India, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, South Africa, Costa Rica, Peru, the Philippines, Mexico, etc.

Following the vote, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Her Excellency Dr. Navi Pillay of South Africa declared - with respect to Israel - "there seems to be a strong possibility that international humanitarian law has been violated, in a manner that could amount to war crimes." The Israeli government immediately denounced Dr. Pillay as an Anti-Semite.

From the UN's official summary of the debate:

African Union said a recent declaration issued by the African Union, in a spirit of solidarity between Africa and Palestine, deplored the recent violence in the Gaza Strip.

Bangladesh said the massacres of civilians in Gaza, particularly of children and women, were appalling and had shocked the world’s conscience. There was no legal, political or moral justification for such actions, which were illegal and in continuous breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Bangladesh supported Palestine’s call to establish a commission of inquiry.

Bolivia said that hundreds of Palestinian civilians were victims of the Israeli aggression.

Brazil, speaking in an explanation of the vote before the vote, said it would vote in favour of the draft resolution. The gravity of the situation, in particular the alarming number of casualties, warranted a timely and strong response by the international community.

Defence for Children International said that thus far more children had been killed by Israeli fire than Palestinian militants.

Ecuador believed in peaceful coexistence of peoples. Israel, as the occupying power, had to respect the human rights of the Palestinians, and to abide by its human rights obligations, in accordance with the treaties it had ratified.

Iceland said that, once again, it was Palestinian civilians, innocent women and children, who suffered most.

Independent Human Rights Commission of Palestine said Israel’s disproportionate and indiscriminate actions had killed 650 Palestinians, injured more than 4,000 and displaced over 150,000 from their homes. There was no safe haven in Gaza. The bombardment came from land, air and sea.

International Institute for Peace, Justice and Human Rights said the Special Session took place three weeks after the execution, torture and murder of a Palestinian teenager in East Jerusalem, and three weeks of Israeli aggression against Gaza.

Lebanon asked why the Council had waited for yet more destruction and death in Gaza before convening this Special Session. The media showed images of children dying indiscriminately in their beds, elderly people and women being killed for no other reason than being inhabitants of Gaza, and bombs raining down on the city. If those were they not sufficient reasons to hold the session, when should the Council meet?

Niger said the seriousness of the events in Gaza had left the international community indifferent, although Israel was responsible for huge violations of human rights and international humanitarian law.

Norwegian Refugee Council said that 44 per cent of the Gaza Strip had been declared a no-go area, making Gaza even more of an open-air prison than before. In Gaza, the internally displaced persons could not find safety as they were not allowed to leave, and no place in Gaza was safe. Returning to the status quo ante was not enough.

Save the Children International said the number of casualties in the Gaza Strip was unprecedented. One out of every five people killed by the recent strikes was a child.

Switzerland recalled that reprisals against civilians and indiscriminate attacks were prohibited by international law, and said it supported the establishment of an international commission of inquiry to investigate all human rights allegations.

Syrian Arab Republic said that extremist gangs of settlers had been allowed to abduct a Palestinian child and burn him alive, which had led to further massacres of the innocent, particularly women and children. Israel had continuously shown utter disregard for international law. The international community had to ensure that such crimes did not go unpunished. Syria supported the legitimate resistance of the Palestinian people.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Page ... 7&LangID=E

[Army of GOD]

The UN has established a commission of inquiry to investigate possible Israeli war crimes. The final vote in the HRC was 29-1, with only the USA voting against proceeding with the inquiry. "

This is pretty funny and shows that the US knows that Israel has done some bad shit.

[patches70]

The UN has established a commission of inquiry to investigate possible Israeli war crimes. The final vote in the HRC was 29-1, with only the USA voting against proceeding with the inquiry. "

This is pretty funny and shows that the US knows that Israel has done some bad shit.

Haha, I think this image sums it up pretty well-

[Army of GOD]

United States, speaking in an explanation of the vote before the vote, said it remained gravely concerned about the recent violence which had impacted Palestinian and Israeli civilians, and was working intensively to achieve an end to the hostilities. The resolution today would not help achieve that goal. It was destructive, not constructive. The United States was deeply troubled by the resolution and would vote against it. Once again the Council had failed to address the situation in Israel and occupied Palestinian territories with any semblance of balance. The resolution did not mention rockets fired from Gaza, or the tunnels made by terrorists. It would create another one-sided mechanism targeting Israel; the commission of inquiry it called for would be a needless, duplicative effort, the fourth such body established since 2006. The resolution was a political and biased instrument. The Council already had a standing agenda item focused solely on Israel, and a Special Rapporteur with a wide mandate. Furthermore, the resolution took steps outside of Council’s mandate by attempting to convene a meeting of Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention. The United States called for a vote and urged States not to vote for the resolution.

wat

[Agent 86]

Yep, the U>S better come clean..

http://www.news.com.au/world/israeli-sh ... 7000890459

Seriously they condone this..shit, this makes Russia look good in the Ukraine.

[saxitoxin]

"Israel Provoked War ... Violated Cease-Fire" Declares Former Head of American Jewish Congress

Israel’s assault on Gaza, as pointed out by analyst Nathan Thrall in the New York Times, was not triggered by Hamas’ rockets directed at Israel but by Israel’s determination to bring down the Palestinian unity government that was formed in early June, even though that government was committed to honoring all of the conditions imposed by the international community for recognition of its legitimacy. The notion that it was Israel, not Hamas, that violated a cease-fire agreement will undoubtedly offend a wide swath of Israel supporters. To point out that it is not the first time Israel has done so will offend them even more deeply.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... z38R51ptdE

[GabonX]

I saw you switch the poll options again when I was winning Saxitoxin. If you had any integrity you would have left it up without photo shopping a fake image into your signature.

Maybe I'll make a real poll, and if I do I'll leave it up without changing people's votes around.