Logic dictates that there is a God!

[Truman]

Hey Jay, did you get that avatar from that jude3 website I mentioned earlier? Just wondering.

[jay_a2j]

Hey Jay, did you get that avatar from that jude3 website I mentioned earlier? Just wondering.

No...I googled "christian avatars"

[Truman]

Oh. One of the supermods has that avatar.

[Machiavelli]

why isint this thread ??

Because everytime someone says something like that the thread gets bumped

[TitusFinn]

Here's a question for you Jay...do you believe in life on other planets and I mean like intelligent life, not microbs? Also, what if our idea of God is actually a form alien. And what if the "second coming" is when the aliens come and show themselves to the world? Basically, where do alternate life forms fit into this whole senario?

[jay_a2j]

Here's a question for you Jay...do you believe in life on other planets and I mean like intelligent life, not microbs? Also, what if our idea of God is actually a form alien. And what if the "second coming" is when the aliens come and show themselves to the world? Basically, where do alternate life forms fit into this whole senario?

No, I do not believe in aliens, ghosts, boogymen, lochness monster, fairies, smurfs, trolls, santa claus ot the easter bunny.


God is not "alien form". There are 66 books on "who God is" most commonly refered to as the Bible.

[TitusFinn]

So you don't believe in life on other planets.

[max is gr8]

jay now nswer me this


IF AN ALL-FORGIVING GOD TRUELY DOES EXIST whick I highly doubt

Why do people go to hell

BECAUSE IN THEORY THERE IS NO HELL AS GOD FORGIVES EVERYONE

Answer that CHRIST-WORSHIPPER-WHO-WORSHIPS-GODS-WHICH-DON'T-EXIST Jaj_a2j

[jay_a2j]

So you don't believe in life on other planets.

no

[TitusFinn]

There in lies the problem. In a universe with BILLIONS of possibilities, not believing in life on other planets is akin to believing the world is flat.

[max is gr8]

jay now nswer me this


IF AN ALL-FORGIVING GOD TRUELY DOES EXIST whick I highly doubt

Why do people go to hell

BECAUSE IN THEORY THERE IS NO HELL AS GOD FORGIVES EVERYONE

Answer that CHRIST-WORSHIPPER-WHO-WORSHIPS-GODS-WHICH-DON'T-EXIST Jaj_a2j

HEM HEM

[jay_a2j]

jay now nswer me this


IF AN ALL-FORGIVING GOD TRUELY DOES EXIST whick I highly doubt

Why do people go to hell

BECAUSE IN THEORY THERE IS NO HELL AS GOD FORGIVES EVERYONE

Answer that CHRIST-WORSHIPPER-WHO-WORSHIPS-GODS-WHICH-DON'T-EXIST Jaj_a2j

People go to hell because "all have sinned" and without recieving Christ's free gift there can be no forgiveness of sin.

OT Jews sacrificed "spotless" lambs and sheep for remission of sin. (There can not be forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood) Jesus came to be the "final sacrifice" for man to recieve forgiveness of sin (so we don't have to sacrifice lambs and sheep anymore) It is available to ALL who believe...JN 3:16" For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, that whosoever believeth in Him perish but have everlasting life"


Jesus did pay the price for our sin.... but we have to RECIEVE it. It is a misconception that Jesus died for everyone's sins so we all automatically go to heaven.


I've never heard the term "all forgiving". He wants to forgive everyone but you have to ask Him. And when you accept Christ ALL your sins are forgiven to that point.

[TitusFinn]

jay now nswer me this


IF AN ALL-FORGIVING GOD TRUELY DOES EXIST whick I highly doubt

Why do people go to hell

BECAUSE IN THEORY THERE IS NO HELL AS GOD FORGIVES EVERYONE

Answer that CHRIST-WORSHIPPER-WHO-WORSHIPS-GODS-WHICH-DON'T-EXIST Jaj_a2j

People go to hell because "all have sinned" and without recieving Christ's free gift there can be no forgiveness of sin.

OT Jews sacrificed "spotless" lambs and sheep for remission of sin. (There can not be forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood) Jesus came to be the "final sacrifice" for man to recieve forgiveness of sin (so we don't have to sacrifice lambs and sheep anymore) It is available to ALL who believe...JN 3:16" For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, that whosoever believeth in Him perish but have everlasting life"


Jesus did pay the price for our sin.... but we have to RECIEVE it. It is a misconception that Jesus died for everyone's sins so we all automatically go to heaven.


I've never heard the term "all forgiving". He wants to forgive everyone but you have to ask Him. And when you accept Christ ALL your sins are forgiven to that point.

Unless you're a Muslim or Jewish or Pagan or etc.

[jay_a2j]

There in lies the problem. In a universe with BILLIONS of possibilities, not believing in life on other planets is akin to believing the world is flat.

No.... Having been a Christian for many years God has shown me that He is real and that His word is true. So if God created "other life on other planets" I'd have to believe it would be in the Bible.

btw... I do believein angels and demons (So angels that are not on earth would constitute life outside of earth)

[jay_a2j]

jay now nswer me this


IF AN ALL-FORGIVING GOD TRUELY DOES EXIST whick I highly doubt

Why do people go to hell

BECAUSE IN THEORY THERE IS NO HELL AS GOD FORGIVES EVERYONE

Answer that CHRIST-WORSHIPPER-WHO-WORSHIPS-GODS-WHICH-DON'T-EXIST Jaj_a2j

People go to hell because "all have sinned" and without recieving Christ's free gift there can be no forgiveness of sin.

OT Jews sacrificed "spotless" lambs and sheep for remission of sin. (There can not be forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood) Jesus came to be the "final sacrifice" for man to recieve forgiveness of sin (so we don't have to sacrifice lambs and sheep anymore) It is available to ALL who believe...JN 3:16" For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life"


Jesus did pay the price for our sin.... but we have to RECIEVE it. It is a misconception that Jesus died for everyone's sins so we all automatically go to heaven.


I've never heard the term "all forgiving". He wants to forgive everyone but you have to ask Him. And when you accept Christ ALL your sins are forgiven to that point.

Unless you're a Muslim or Jewish or Pagan or etc.

[max is gr8]

Now in front of me I have a gideon bible and I am just reading the most unbelievable bit ever There's a GOD Now that really does make me laugh I thought religion was complete humour but that just takes the mic

I cant believe it

[jay_a2j]

jay now nswer me this


IF AN ALL-FORGIVING GOD TRUELY DOES EXIST whick I highly doubt

Why do people go to hell

BECAUSE IN THEORY THERE IS NO HELL AS GOD FORGIVES EVERYONE

Answer that CHRIST-WORSHIPPER-WHO-WORSHIPS-GODS-WHICH-DON'T-EXIST Jaj_a2j

People go to hell because "all have sinned" and without recieving Christ's free gift there can be no forgiveness of sin.

OT Jews sacrificed "spotless" lambs and sheep for remission of sin. (There can not be forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood) Jesus came to be the "final sacrifice" for man to recieve forgiveness of sin (so we don't have to sacrifice lambs and sheep anymore) It is available to ALL who believe...JN 3:16" For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life"


Jesus did pay the price for our sin.... but we have to RECIEVE it. It is a misconception that Jesus died for everyone's sins so we all automatically go to heaven.


I've never heard the term "all forgiving". He wants to forgive everyone but you have to ask Him. And when you accept Christ ALL your sins are forgiven to that point.

Unless you're a Muslim or Jewish or Pagan or etc.

The blood of Christ was given for ALL men. If you come to Christ you would not continue following someone else. But muslum,jew even atheists can believe (although that would make them a former muslim and former atheist)

[TitusFinn]

There in lies the problem. In a universe with BILLIONS of possibilities, not believing in life on other planets is akin to believing the world is flat.

No.... Having been a Christian for many years God has shown me that He is real and that His word is true. So if God created "other life on other planets" I'd have to believe it would be in the Bible.

btw... I do believein angels and demons (So angels that are not on earth would constitute life outside of earth)

Let us put the angels and demons aside for the moment.

So outside of this planet there is NOTHING out there? NO living thing? You can say that for certain?

[Pilate]

jay now nswer me this


IF AN ALL-FORGIVING GOD TRUELY DOES EXIST whick I highly doubt

Why do people go to hell

BECAUSE IN THEORY THERE IS NO HELL AS GOD FORGIVES EVERYONE

Answer that CHRIST-WORSHIPPER-WHO-WORSHIPS-GODS-WHICH-DON'T-EXIST Jaj_a2j

People go to hell because "all have sinned" and without recieving Christ's free gift there can be no forgiveness of sin.

OT Jews sacrificed "spotless" lambs and sheep for remission of sin. (There can not be forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood) Jesus came to be the "final sacrifice" for man to recieve forgiveness of sin (so we don't have to sacrifice lambs and sheep anymore) It is available to ALL who believe...JN 3:16" For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life"


Jesus did pay the price for our sin.... but we have to RECIEVE it. It is a misconception that Jesus died for everyone's sins so we all automatically go to heaven.


I've never heard the term "all forgiving". He wants to forgive everyone but you have to ask Him. And when you accept Christ ALL your sins are forgiven to that point.

Unless you're a Muslim or Jewish or Pagan or etc.

The blood of Christ was given for ALL men. If you come to Christ you would not continue following someone else. But muslum,jew even atheists can believe (although that would make them a former muslim and former atheist)

Sounds like you proved his point

[jay_a2j]

Now in front of me I have a gideon bible and I am just reading the most unbelievable bit ever There's a GOD Now that really does make me laugh I thought religion was complete humour but that just takes the mic

I cant believe it

max take this for what its worth...

You started a poll about disabilies....

I posted "There is no option "had disabilities""

The reason I posted that is because I had a disability. In 1990 just after graduating from High School I was diagnosed with MS (Multiple Sclerosis)...a disease of the nervous system for wich there is no cure. My family and friends were praying for me. In May of 1991 I was watching tv and a minister said, "Someone with MS is being healed right now" Immediately something that felt like warm oil or blood poured over my body from head to feet. I have not had any symtoms of MS since that day.



Some say, even my doctor that I'm in remission. For 16 years? I felt the healing and I don't care wether you believe me or not I know what happened.


When I first learned I had MS I got mad at God....it wasn't until I stoped being mad at Him and accepted the fact that I had this disease that I was healed.



God wants his people to be whole. He doesn't heal everyone who asks all prayers must be accordidng to His will and sometimes God uses people with disabilities despite their disability. "Nothing is impossible for those who love God"

[jay_a2j]

jay now nswer me this


IF AN ALL-FORGIVING GOD TRUELY DOES EXIST whick I highly doubt

Why do people go to hell

BECAUSE IN THEORY THERE IS NO HELL AS GOD FORGIVES EVERYONE

Answer that CHRIST-WORSHIPPER-WHO-WORSHIPS-GODS-WHICH-DON'T-EXIST Jaj_a2j

People go to hell because "all have sinned" and without recieving Christ's free gift there can be no forgiveness of sin.

OT Jews sacrificed "spotless" lambs and sheep for remission of sin. (There can not be forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood) Jesus came to be the "final sacrifice" for man to recieve forgiveness of sin (so we don't have to sacrifice lambs and sheep anymore) It is available to ALL who believe...JN 3:16" For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life"


Jesus did pay the price for our sin.... but we have to RECIEVE it. It is a misconception that Jesus died for everyone's sins so we all automatically go to heaven.


I've never heard the term "all forgiving". He wants to forgive everyone but you have to ask Him. And when you accept Christ ALL your sins are forgiven to that point.

Unless you're a Muslim or Jewish or Pagan or etc.

The blood of Christ was given for ALL men. If you come to Christ you would not continue following someone else. But muslum,jew even atheists can believe (although that would make them a former muslim and former atheist)

Sounds like you proved his point

The word CHRISTIAN means follower of Christ..... If you become a christian obviously you wouldn't be following mohamed or a "non-God". Just as christians who convert to islam don't continue to follow Jesus.

[jay_a2j]

There in lies the problem. In a universe with BILLIONS of possibilities, not believing in life on other planets is akin to believing the world is flat.

No.... Having been a Christian for many years God has shown me that He is real and that His word is true. So if God created "other life on other planets" I'd have to believe it would be in the Bible.

btw... I do believein angels and demons (So angels that are not on earth would constitute life outside of earth)

Let us put the angels and demons aside for the moment.

So outside of this planet there is NOTHING out there? NO living thing? You can say that for certain?

The Bible tells us how we got here...no mention of aliens. Does that mean they can't find microganisms on Mars? No...but any significant life like "higher intelegence" would be mentioned in scripture.

[TitusFinn]

Now in front of me I have a gideon bible and I am just reading the most unbelievable bit ever There's a GOD Now that really does make me laugh I thought religion was complete humour but that just takes the mic

I cant believe it

max take this for what its worth...

You started a poll about disabilies....

I posted "There is no option "had disabilities""

The reason I posted that is because I had a disability. In 1990 just after graduating from High School I was diagnosed with MS (Multiple Sclerosis)...a disease of the nervous system for wich there is no cure. My family and friends were praying for me. In May of 1991 I was watching tv and a minister said, "Someone with MS is being healed right now" Immediately something that felt like warm oil or blood poured over my body from head to feet. I have not had any symtoms of MS since that day.



Some say, even my doctor that I'm in remission. For 16 years? I felt the healing and I don't care wether you believe me or not I know what happened.


When I first learned I had MS I got mad at God....it wasn't until I stoped being mad at Him and accepted the fact that I had this disease that I was healed.



God wants his people to be whole. He doesn't heal everyone who asks all prayers must be accordidng to His will and sometimes God uses people with disabilities despite their disability. "Nothing is impossible for those who love God"

That's an amazing story Jay. I completely understand your faith now. I also understand why you want to share that with others. But I still don't understand how you can say for absolute certainty that there is no other life outside of this planet.

[jay_a2j]

Because I believe with no doubt whatsoever that the Bible is the inspired word of God. God told us about angels. He told us about demons. He told us that he created man from the dust of the earth and woman from man's rib. He told us that he created the birds of the air, the fish in the sea and the creatures walking the earth. Now it just seems to me that if there was intelligent life out there (other than God) He would have told us.


but thats my opinion.

[TitusFinn]

Because I believe with no doubt whatsoever that the Bible is the inspired word of God. God told us about angels. He told us about demons. He told us that he created man from the dust of the earth and woman from man's rib. He told us that he created the birds of the air, the fish in the sea and the creatures walking the earth. Now it just seems to me that if there was intelligent life out there (other than God) He would have told us.


but thats my opinion.

What about the giants in the earth or the nephilim? I guess you could say that the nephilim were angels, but then there would be decendants of angels and men.

Genesis 6:4