Zimmerman vs. DMX - Boxing Match?

[pimpdave]

Wait, "the media"?

Are all forms of the media now completely unified and cooperating?

They are all on the same page with the super-sized government. all of them except for that evil lying station FOX. Fox is evil because they do not tow the government line and carry Obama's water like a responsible media outlet is supposed to do.

That's funny, a scant four years ago they were big cheerleaders of the government.

[oVo]

Wait, "the media"?
Are all forms of the media now completely unified and cooperating?

"The Media" are unified by the same limited facts in the Martin/Zimmerman case
and the lack of anything new to report a month after the teen's death.

all of them except for that evil lying station FOX. Fox is evil because they do not tow the government line

After eight years of not holding the government accountable a new administration moves into the White House and FOX suddenly has a change of heart, choosing to measure and extrapolate every word uttered by the President.

[Phatscotty]

Wait, "the media"?
Are all forms of the media now completely unified and cooperating?

"The Media" are unified by the same limited facts in the Martin/Zimmerman case
and the lack of anything new to report a month after the teen's death.

all of them except for that evil lying station FOX. Fox is evil because they do not tow the government line

After eight years of not holding the government accountable a new administration moves into the White House and FOX suddenly has a change of heart, choosing to measure and extrapolate every word uttered by the President.

Fox does the same thing the other ones do (just not in this particular case) they just do it from the opposite direction. Please try to keep things in context. Fox stands alone against all the other media stations.

I don't watch fox anyways.

[Night Strike]

Ì still don't get why Nightstrike and Phatscotty are so desperate to find something, anything that will prove zimmerman innocent. Are they so eager to get someone who killed a black guy to go free?

Why do they keep slinging mud at Trayvon Martin? Is it because their case is so weak they have to resort to mudslinging?

You just don't get it (although I'm not surprised). It doesn't matter to me whether or not Zimmerman is innocent or guilty. What I DO care about is people trying to incite race riots over the assumed guilt of a person and convicting that person in public instead of with facts in a court of law. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are just as racist as they claim Zimmerman is: they believe that he is guilty simply because Zimmerman is a different race than Martin.

[Lootifer]

You just don't get it (although I'm not surprised). It doesn't matter to me whether or not Zimmerman is innocent or guilty. What I DO care about is people trying to incite race riots over the assumed guilt of a person and convicting that person in public instead of with facts in a court of law. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are just as racist as they claim Zimmerman is: they believe that he is guilty simply because Zimmerman is a different race than Martin.

I think hes guilty cause he shot an un-armed man.

But my perverse non-american view doesnt count (bear in mind the only media I have researched is that linked by PS in this thread; it didnt really make news over here).

[Night Strike]

You just don't get it (although I'm not surprised). It doesn't matter to me whether or not Zimmerman is innocent or guilty. What I DO care about is people trying to incite race riots over the assumed guilt of a person and convicting that person in public instead of with facts in a court of law. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are just as racist as they claim Zimmerman is: they believe that he is guilty simply because Zimmerman is a different race than Martin.

I think hes guilty cause he shot an un-armed man.

That would be true most of the time. However, stand you ground laws don't require the assailant to be carrying a weapon in order for someone to use deadly force in defense. All that is required is for the defender to feel his life is in danger. And if Zimmerman's account of being pummeled into the ground is true, then there is a strong case that his use of deadly force was justified.

[Lootifer]

Yeh, im pretty anti the stand your ground law; but your country, you can do what you like

[patches70]

You just don't get it (although I'm not surprised). It doesn't matter to me whether or not Zimmerman is innocent or guilty. What I DO care about is people trying to incite race riots over the assumed guilt of a person and convicting that person in public instead of with facts in a court of law. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are just as racist as they claim Zimmerman is: they believe that he is guilty simply because Zimmerman is a different race than Martin.

I think hes guilty cause he shot an un-armed man.

That would be true most of the time. However, stand you ground laws don't require the assailant to be carrying a weapon in order for someone to use deadly force in defense. All that is required is for the defender to feel his life is in danger. And if Zimmerman's account of being pummeled into the ground is true, then there is a strong case that his use of deadly force was justified.

The stand your ground law only does one thing, it eliminates your requirement to attempt to flee before defending yourself. That's all. So long as where you are you have a lawful right to be.

Even without a stand your ground law, individuals have a right to defend themselves regardless. Even if you were in a state that didn't have those stand your ground laws, if someone is on top of you and pummeling you, you have every right to defend yourself. At that point you don't have an opportunity to flee.

[Nola_Lifer]

You just don't get it (although I'm not surprised). It doesn't matter to me whether or not Zimmerman is innocent or guilty. What I DO care about is people trying to incite race riots over the assumed guilt of a person and convicting that person in public instead of with facts in a court of law. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are just as racist as they claim Zimmerman is: they believe that he is guilty simply because Zimmerman is a different race than Martin.

I think hes guilty cause he shot an un-armed man.

But my perverse non-american view doesnt count (bear in mind the only media I have researched is that linked by PS in this thread; it didnt really make news over here).

Your right. He was an unarmed man, and the black community is upset because a young Blackman was shot. Al and Jesse aren't racist, they are extremist. Learn the difference. Just because a black man stands up for a black man doesn't make him racist, but what is obvious is Scotty and NS are.

[Night Strike]

You just don't get it (although I'm not surprised). It doesn't matter to me whether or not Zimmerman is innocent or guilty. What I DO care about is people trying to incite race riots over the assumed guilt of a person and convicting that person in public instead of with facts in a court of law. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are just as racist as they claim Zimmerman is: they believe that he is guilty simply because Zimmerman is a different race than Martin.

I think hes guilty cause he shot an un-armed man.

But my perverse non-american view doesnt count (bear in mind the only media I have researched is that linked by PS in this thread; it didnt really make news over here).

Your right. He was an unarmed man, and the black community is upset because a young Blackman was shot. Al and Jesse aren't racist, they are extremist. Learn the difference. Just because a black man stands up for a black man doesn't make him racist, but what is obvious is Scotty and NS are.

We're racists for wanting the facts of the case to be solid before arresting Zimmerman? If all these people want Zimmerman to be prosecuted, they need to allow the prosecution to have an air-tight case before arresting and trying him, otherwise he will be found not-guilty. And what will all these people do if he is found not guilty? Will they just let him be or will they keep their bounties on his life? A black man standing up for another black man is not racist. Standing up for a black man because he is black IS racist, just like standing up for a white man because he is white would be racist.

[Neoteny]

Wow.

[Night Strike]

Oops, I should clarify something. It is perfectly acceptable to stand with a person who is being discriminated against because of their skin color, no matter what your skin color is. However, when the matter has nothing to do with race, like this situation, standing with people on either side because of their race would be racist.

[spurgistan]

And Night Strike knows this has nothing to do with race, because he does.

[Night Strike]

And Night Strike knows this has nothing to do with race, because he does.

It technically could have a racial component, but no evidence to that affect has been presented to the public. The uproar has been over the fact that a black teenager was killed by someone who is not black, not because the black teenager was killed for being black.

[Lootifer]

And Night Strike knows this has nothing to do with race, because he does.

It technically could have a racial component, but no evidence to that affect has been presented to the public. The uproar has been over the fact that a black teenager was killed by someone who is not black, not because the black teenager was killed for being black.

I think the uproar is an uproar because the media is sensationalist and americans are stupid*

* purely unfounded generalisation.

[kentington]

Two things stand out to me here. (1) The 911 Call is not "doctored" it's edited, which is not quite the same manipulation that "doctored" or altered implies. I find his actual words more damning and judgmental than NBC's edited (without notice) version. Forming such a conclusion about a person he has yet to engage in dialogue and supposes to be black does express a predetermined stereotypical bias with his own words. (2) Robert Zimmerman IS NOT a major player in this story because he was not there and as such has nothing to contribute to the facts of this incident. As the brother of the shooter he is only a character witness and his exchange with Piers Morgan is useless. He was not a witness to this event and has nothing to contribute to the story but more speculation.

Lol. Seriously, you find the real version more damning? Why do you think they would alter it if the original was more damning? Just to shorten it cause they didn't have enough time? Yeah right, they wanted to milk it.
When you describe someone to the cops they always ask the race. I called the cops cause I heard my neighbor beating his girlfriend. They asked me the race even though I told them I couldn't see the person. They asked what race he sounded like. I said how should I know?
Also, you have never seen a person look like they were up to no good by the way they walked and by their posture? Don't be holier than thou. Everyone forms a conclusion about a person before dialogue. Ever heard of a first impression? It is something you can't get back because everyone forms one even if they aren't biased about race, clothing, or even hair cut.

[Lootifer]

Oh and to clarify, yes in this case its prob the liberal/progressive/black communities that are being stupid; however this is just one example.

Another example of stupidity is PS getting out on the streets getting in peoples faces for being stupid.

It's not what americans think that makes the rest of the world think theyre stupid (you guys have some of the best minds in the world); its how they act.

[kentington]

Oh and to clarify, yes in this case its prob the liberal/progressive/black communities that are being stupid; however this is just one example.

Another example of stupidity is PS getting out on the streets getting in peoples faces for being stupid.

It's not what americans think that makes the rest of the world think theyre stupid (you guys have some of the best minds in the world); its how they act.

Yeah I agree with you. But I think everyone is being stupid in this case not just the liberals. Saxi and BvP have had a decent point of view from the beginning. Wait until you receive the facts and speculate based on that, knowing that those "facts" may still be partially opinion or unverified.

[Phatscotty]

Oh and to clarify, yes in this case its prob the liberal/progressive/black communities that are being stupid; however this is just one example.

Another example of stupidity is PS getting out on the streets getting in peoples faces for being stupid.

It's not what americans think that makes the rest of the world think theyre stupid (you guys have some of the best minds in the world); its how they act.

lol, nice memory. I went out there because my best friend went to the one at the University and I just wanted to see what it looked like.

So what if I want to communicate with people about an issue. Does that really make me stupid?

Cmon Loot

[Lootifer]

lol, nice memory. I went out there because my best friend went to the one at the University and I just wanted to see what it looked like.

So what if I want to communicate with people about an issue. Does that really make me stupid?

Cmon Loot

Eh i hate polorised debates where neither side gives ground; it was cool a couple of hundred years ago, but we should know better now.

So yes, in my humble opinion, i think it is stupid. (obviously im not against rational debate... but somehow I dont think this was the case).

[Night Strike]

And Night Strike knows this has nothing to do with race, because he does.

It technically could have a racial component, but no evidence to that affect has been presented to the public. The uproar has been over the fact that a black teenager was killed by someone who is not black, not because the black teenager was killed for being black.

I think the uproar is an uproar because the media is sensationalist and americans are stupid*

* purely unfounded generalisation.

The first statement is 100% true, but I don't think your second one is an unfounded generalization. Remember, this is the country that elected Obama. Granted, his election woke up much more of the country to the dangers of progressivism (like myself), which would not have happened if McCain had been elected, even though he is also a progressive.

[kentington]

lol, nice memory. I went out there because my best friend went to the one at the University and I just wanted to see what it looked like.

So what if I want to communicate with people about an issue. Does that really make me stupid?

Cmon Loot

Eh i hate polorised debates where neither side gives ground; it was cool a couple of hundred years ago, but we should know better now.

So yes, in my humble opinion, i think it is stupid. (obviously im not against rational debate... but somehow I dont think this was the case).

Seriously, you don't think irrational debates are more entertaining?

Most debates however are polarized. A lot of people start a debate to state their side not really to hear the other side. Kinda sad.

[oVo]

Everyone forms a conclusion about a person before dialogue. Ever heard of a first impression? It is something you can't get back because everyone forms one even if they aren't biased about race, clothing, or even hair cut.

There is no reported dialogue between Zimmerman and Martin. I don't find NBC's edited version of the call too outrageous, since the entire conversation with the 911 operator was already on TV and in the news. NBC's editing also omits Zimmerman's phrase, "they always get away with it."

Seems to me first impressions usually include conversation before jumping to conclusions.

[BigBallinStalin]

And Night Strike knows this has nothing to do with race, because he does.

It technically could have a racial component, but no evidence to that affect has been presented to the public. The uproar has been over the fact that a black teenager was killed by someone who is not black, not because the black teenager was killed for being black.

I think the uproar is an uproar because the media is sensationalist and americans are stupid*

* purely unfounded generalisation.

If you extended that to non-Americans, like Finnish and Brits, then I'd agree that most of them have been excited by the mainstream media and cuz they be stupid.

[Phatscotty]

Everyone forms a conclusion about a person before dialogue. Ever heard of a first impression? It is something you can't get back because everyone forms one even if they aren't biased about race, clothing, or even hair cut.

There is no reported dialogue between Zimmerman and Martin. I don't find NBC's edited version of the call too outrageous, since the entire conversation with the 911 operator was already on TV and in the news. NBC's editing also omits Zimmerman's phrase, "they always get away with it."

Seems to me first impressions usually include conversation before jumping to conclusions.

Yes, there is a reported dialogue. Of course you don't see anything wrong with editing a 911 call to make it seem racial.

In other news, looks like the media got another one wrong. This time, it's CNN. The racial slur everyone has been hung up on as evidence of racial motivation "F'ing C*%ns" turn out to be "it's F'ing cold"

This has all been a great experiment and showing just how far you can go lying to and manipulating people and getting them all riled up and causing death threats, lynch mobs, hate speech, and further racism (in some extreme cases, it has even casued some extremists to go so far as to post recent pictures of Trayvon).

Feast on the results gang.



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cnn-enh ... slur-used/