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[WILLIAMS5232]

I am asking people to cut back on their standard of living, so that they can improve the lives of others. People who were born in America are wealthy due to pure circumstance rather than having put in special effort that people in Africa do not. That is not fair, but there's a way to rectify that lack of fairness by leveling out the wealth inequality.

so lets say a person makes $70.000 after taxes,
now lets say they do not own a house, but rent. let's say they pay $680 per month in rent.
and lets say they have a cell phone bill which includes their internet access for say $150 per month
now let's say they spend about $250 per month on groceries
electricity is about 100 per month.
insurance is $350 every six months.
and then let's say additional expenses come up to about 200 per month.

that means this person has about 50K in disposable funds at the end of the year.

what do you suggest they should send to the africans?

[Metsfanmax]

I am asking people to cut back on their standard of living, so that they can improve the lives of others. People who were born in America are wealthy due to pure circumstance rather than having put in special effort that people in Africa do not. That is not fair, but there's a way to rectify that lack of fairness by leveling out the wealth inequality.

so lets say a person makes $70.000 after taxes,
now lets say they do not own a house, but rent. let's say they pay $680 per month in rent.
and lets say they have a cell phone bill which includes their internet access for say $150 per month
now let's say they spend about $250 per month on groceries
electricity is about 100 per month.
insurance is $350 every six months.
and then let's say additional expenses come up to about 200 per month.

that means this person has about 50K in disposable funds at the end of the year.

what do you suggest they should send to the africans?

I think the best way to answer this is by looking at what the current needs are. One widely used standard is the purchasing power parity adjusted income measure. Let's say that there are approximately one billion people on this planet who live on an income that is less than what $1.50 would buy you every day in the US. Multiplying that by the number of days in a year, and dividing by the total number of Americans, gives a number under $2000. So if the average donation to the poor was $2000 for every American, we could double the income of the world's one billion poorest people. Given this, a reasonable standard I have seen is that, for people under $100,000 income, you should give about an additional 1% of your income for every $20,000 you make in salary. If everyone did this, we could effectively eradicate absolute poverty. Now, not everyone will, but it's still a useful measure for determining what an individual's contribution should be.

[thegreekdog]

In real life I would lobby the shit out of Dear Leader Mets, try to get him to invade Bumfuckistan, and then set up a subsidiary in Bumfuckistan so I can pay Bumfuckistanis rather than BBS.

And you know, that just may actually improve the quality of life for the average Bumfuckistani. But then you'd be accused of running a sweatshop like another widget producer <cough cough Apple>. At least the people of Bumfuckistan would actually be producing something of value to the rest of the world.

Of course, while you benefit from this, BBS is crap out of luck as is the rest of the American citizens who end up paying for it all. As well as any soldiers who might happen to be killed along with their grieving families back home. I'm sure they'd take heart that their loved ones sacrifice was worth making TGD Inc even more rich.

I ain't got no problem with companies producing things, trying to find the best deals possible on labor and other costs. But it starts getting all fuzzy (to say the least) when corporations start getting government and her military involved to better their positions.

The open door policy between Corporations and Government is quite a corrupting effect, IMO.

Please. Like the citizens of Country X (BBS and his ilk) are going to even realize Dear Leader Mets took my money and did what I wanted. After all, Dear Leader Mets is a socialist and would never take money from TGD Inc.

[WILLIAMS5232]

I am asking people to cut back on their standard of living, so that they can improve the lives of others. People who were born in America are wealthy due to pure circumstance rather than having put in special effort that people in Africa do not. That is not fair, but there's a way to rectify that lack of fairness by leveling out the wealth inequality.

so lets say a person makes $70.000 after taxes,
now lets say they do not own a house, but rent. let's say they pay $680 per month in rent.
and lets say they have a cell phone bill which includes their internet access for say $150 per month
now let's say they spend about $250 per month on groceries
electricity is about 100 per month.
insurance is $350 every six months.
and then let's say additional expenses come up to about 200 per month.

that means this person has about 50K in disposable funds at the end of the year.

what do you suggest they should send to the africans?

I think the best way to answer this is by looking at what the current needs are. One widely used standard is the purchasing power parity adjusted income measure. Let's say that there are approximately one billion people on this planet who live on an income that is less than what $1.50 would buy you every day in the US. Multiplying that by the number of days in a year, and dividing by the total number of Americans, gives a number under $2000. So if the average donation to the poor was $2000 for every American, we could double the income of the world's one billion poorest people. Given this, a reasonable standard I have seen is that, for people under $100,000 income, you should give about an additional 1% of your income for every $20,000 you make in salary. If everyone did this, we could effectively eradicate absolute poverty. Now, not everyone will, but it's still a useful measure for determining what an individual's contribution should be.

so using that, i'm going to say that you suggest +/-$5500 bucks for this person making just under 100K.

that's alot of money assuming the whole country goes along with it. why wouldn't you use it to make payments towards our countries overwhelming debt instead? it would seem way more useful of an investment to me. once the folks selling the Africans rice caught wind that Africans now had 5500 more dollars to spend wouldn't they just raise the price of rice? or would we just not tell them and hope they never find out?

[Phatscotty]

During a town hall-style agricultural symposium in Mankato, Minn., on Wednesday, Democratic lawmakers were left speechless after a citizen asked a very simple question about Obamacare.

The question: “I thought the Affordable Care Act would save $2500 per family. What happened?”

Sen. Amy Klobuchar and Rep. Tim Walz, both of Minnesota, seemingly didn’t know how to respond. In fact, the room erupted in laughter after the two just stared at each other. The uncomfortable moment underscores the reality that many Democrats are trying to distance themselves from Obamacare and even President Barack Obama heading into the midterm elections.

KEYC-TV captured the priceless moment on video

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The evolution of what the name "Obamacare" means continues to tickle me. Remember when it was 'racist-code' to use the term Obamacare? And then Obama said he was proud to have his name on it and used the term himself for about 6 months. He even said that Republicans would be running on Obamacare as a good program. That lasted until Obamacare actually rolled out. Obama hasn't used the term since.

[Night Strike]

The dictator has once again spoken and told people they can have plans that break the law of the land if they want to.

[AndyDufresne]

The dictator has once again spoken and told people they can have plans that break the law of the land if they want to.

--Andy

[beezer]

What good is this so called law if it's going to be continuously delayed? At some point it's going to have to be enacted or it was a joke in the first place, a bunch of wasted time passing it.

[Phatscotty]

What is this, the 5th delay? At least it should be clear to 100% of people now know that the "we have no time to lose, people are dying in the streets, this is a crisis/emergency' that was all bullshit. And I think nobody can deny the 'average savings of $2500' anymore. And how can Obama count this as his biggest accomplishment when it's looking like it won't even take effect until after he's out of office, and then only maybe.

[Phatscotty]

Correct answer is 13

[AndyDufresne]

I think it is time to start a Ukrainian coup up in here. I like where PS is going with all of this.


--Andy

[saxitoxin]

UNITE-HERE! - the hotel and food service workers union - yesterday released a report titled "The Irony of ObamaCare: Making Inequality Worse."

http://cdn.ralstonreports.com/sites/def ... _FINAL.pdf

• Transferring A Trillion Dollars in Wealth: Most of the ACA’s $965 billion in subsidies will go directly to commercial insurance companies, one of the largest transfers of public wealth to private hands ever. Since the ACA passed, the average stock price of the big for-profit health insurers doubled.

• Moving to Part Time Work: The Administration’s experts say employers won’t follow the incentives and drop coverage. But they also told the nation that employers would not cut workers’ hours to get below the 30-hour per week threshold for “full time” work, even as 388 employers announced hours cuts since early 2012.

• Cutting People’s Pay: If employers follow the incentives in the law, they will push families onto the exchanges to buy coverage. This will force low-wage service industry employees to spend $2.00, $3.00 or even $5.00 an hour of their pay to buy similar coverage.

[Phatscotty]

I am asking people to cut back on their standard of living, so that they can improve the lives of others.

That's exactly what the Federal government is doing to people. You probably just look at the median average income or something like that, and see that number is higher here than it is there, 'so we juts need to even it out'. But now, people MUST purchase health insurance, people MUST purchase car insurance, people MUST pay higher taxes, and we MUST use depreciating currency, and we MUST pay double energy prices and double gas prices, and we MUST pay ever increasing gas and energy and cell phone taxes. It also COSTS A LOT in America if you want to participate in that higher quality life.

You see it as people are just lucky to be born in America, and that somehow equals wealth. But really all people seem to be is a monthly chargable user client, forced by the government to participate and MUST buy the buddy system's preferred product or service. Money isn't the only reason we have a higher quality of life, there are a lot of reasons, some of which poorer countries purposefully refuse to learn and build. Raising the quality of life for citizens isn't every country's goal either. And I hope you focus more of your efforts on encouraging people to do what you think is right, rather than empowering the central government to enforce it.

[thegreekdog]

Transferring A Trillion Dollars in Wealth: Most of the ACA’s $965 billion in subsidies will go directly to commercial insurance companies, one of the largest transfers of public wealth to private hands ever. Since the ACA passed, the average stock price of the big for-profit health insurers doubled.

What? WHAT?!?!

f*ck you. I heard on good authority that the ACA was a boon to the poor. President Obama would never stoop to helping out campaign contributors. As Nancy Pelosi said (on the Daily Show), money in politics is a Republican problem, not a Democratic one.

[thegreekdog]

Transferring A Trillion Dollars in Wealth: Most of the ACA’s $965 billion in subsidies will go directly to commercial insurance companies, one of the largest transfers of public wealth to private hands ever. Since the ACA passed, the average stock price of the big for-profit health insurers doubled.

What? WHAT?!?!

f*ck you. I heard on good authority that the ACA was a Communist plot to overthrow the republic. Dictator Barack HUSSEIN Obama (Kenyan) wants to impose death panels and government-run healthcare, not help insurance companies!

[Ray Rider]

Is there an echo in here?

[thegreekdog]

Is there an echo in here?

Two distinct posts Ray. Two distinct posts.

[BigBallinStalin]

[saxitoxin]

[Phatscotty]

Obama To People Who Can’t Afford Obamacare: Give Up Your Phone Or Cable To Pay For It

… sounding like 180 degrees from 'you will save on average 2,500/year' What the heck does Obama think people would do with an extra 2,500/year anyways. Getting a new expensive phone would be an obvious item no? WTF?

http://www.thelibreinitiative.com/press ... alth-care#

So I suppose then when you want to USE your health covereage and need to make an appointment with a doctor, you are supposed to take light rail to make your appointments, since you gave up your phone. Yeah, that's gonna go over well with the young people Obamacare is depending on.... And like he couldn't have said anything slightly more intelligent?? Like cutting back on fast food (also addresses the preventative aspect) or even quitting smoking cigarettes, not cut back on liquor or drugs....nonono, GIVE UP YOUR PHONE AND TV!...WTF is he trying to be an absolute idiot??? Some predicted way back that is might be possible Obama would intentionally bust Obamacare at a future date, and that's how they were going to get the massive reform the hardest Left wanted because the 'crisis' would demand 'immediate action'. problem-reaction-solution if you will. So even if you think that's crazy and OBama would never plan that big, then you have to admit Obama is blowing Obamacare out of stupidity. "Give up your phone"????? is what Obama suggests to give up???

WTF?

[saxitoxin]

New Poll: Which U.S. health alternative do you support?!?!

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=203124

[Phatscotty]

Anyone want to take a crack at explaining how and why this happens?

[BigBallinStalin]

Cuz resources (capital and labor) are expended in the process of distributing and retailing it from the plant to the retailer?

Then, cost of production != final price. The price is determined by supply and demand, where demand is influenced by consumers competing against consumers, and suppliers competing against suppliers.

There is fixed pricing, but it might not be related to IV saline bags. Doctors (and/or lawyers) use the Medicare/Medicaid listed prices to estimate a price of particular medical procedures, so the government-controlled pricing could be the cause of high prices in hospitals. I wouldn't be surprised.

[Metsfanmax]

Anyone want to take a crack at explaining how and why this happens?

The New York Times took a stab at that.

[WILLIAMS5232]

i'll let these go for $239.95 per unit in a case of 12. i can't gaurantee this price much longer so hurry and place your order.