Zimmerman vs. DMX - Boxing Match?

[bedub1]

And now Zimmerman dumped his attorneys? And called the prosecutor? What's going on with this guy? Think the stress is finally getting to him?

[patches70]

And now Zimmerman dumped his attorneys? And called the prosecutor? What's going on with this guy? Think the stress is finally getting to him?

His attorneys dumped him from what I've read about it. As they probably should if Zimmerman won't follow their advice as the attorneys are saying.

It's possible he's cracking up. It's no easy thing killing someone, even if justified (not saying Zimmerman was justified).

He should keep his mouth shut and let attorney's deal with this. Especially talking with the prosecutor without an attorney present. That's just stupid.

[Night Strike]

And now Zimmerman dumped his attorneys? And called the prosecutor? What's going on with this guy? Think the stress is finally getting to him?

His attorneys dumped him from what I've read about it. As they probably should if Zimmerman won't follow their advice as the attorneys are saying.

It's possible he's cracking up. It's no easy thing killing someone, even if justified (not saying Zimmerman was justified).

He should keep his mouth shut and let attorney's deal with this. Especially talking with the prosecutor without an attorney present. That's just stupid.

Also not easy when if you show up in public, certain groups want to try to capture you dead or alive.

[patches70]

And now Zimmerman dumped his attorneys? And called the prosecutor? What's going on with this guy? Think the stress is finally getting to him?

His attorneys dumped him from what I've read about it. As they probably should if Zimmerman won't follow their advice as the attorneys are saying.

It's possible he's cracking up. It's no easy thing killing someone, even if justified (not saying Zimmerman was justified).

He should keep his mouth shut and let attorney's deal with this. Especially talking with the prosecutor without an attorney present. That's just stupid.

Also not easy when if you show up in public, certain groups want to try to capture you dead or alive.

That's true as well. Paranoia begins to set in and I'd imagine that ain't very fun at all.

[Night Strike]

And now Zimmerman dumped his attorneys? And called the prosecutor? What's going on with this guy? Think the stress is finally getting to him?

His attorneys dumped him from what I've read about it. As they probably should if Zimmerman won't follow their advice as the attorneys are saying.

It's possible he's cracking up. It's no easy thing killing someone, even if justified (not saying Zimmerman was justified).

He should keep his mouth shut and let attorney's deal with this. Especially talking with the prosecutor without an attorney present. That's just stupid.

Also not easy when if you show up in public, certain groups want to try to capture you dead or alive.

That's true as well. Paranoia begins to set in and I'd imagine that ain't very fun at all.

Paranoia is an irrational fear that someone or something is out to get you. This one is reality, unfortunately.

[patches70]

And now Zimmerman dumped his attorneys? And called the prosecutor? What's going on with this guy? Think the stress is finally getting to him?

His attorneys dumped him from what I've read about it. As they probably should if Zimmerman won't follow their advice as the attorneys are saying.

It's possible he's cracking up. It's no easy thing killing someone, even if justified (not saying Zimmerman was justified).

He should keep his mouth shut and let attorney's deal with this. Especially talking with the prosecutor without an attorney present. That's just stupid.

Also not easy when if you show up in public, certain groups want to try to capture you dead or alive.

That's true as well. Paranoia begins to set in and I'd imagine that ain't very fun at all.

Paranoia is an irrational fear that someone or something is out to get you. This one is reality, unfortunately.

Ha ha, one can't be paranoid unless someone is out to get them.

I heard a quote the other day.
A person who is paranoid is someone who has known what's going on for a long time.
A psychopath is someone who is just finding out what is going on.

That made me chuckle a little bit.
But fair is fair for Zimmerman. He may well not have done anything unlawful but he certainly exercised some poor judgment to say the least. He has to live and deal with the consequences of that poor judgment. With that said, he doesn't deserve to be hunted down and lynched in the street as some of the more irrational mobs would have. No one deserves that. Zimmerman deserves due process of the law. God will judge what we simple carbon units are incapable of judging. For that, only Zimmerman can face that, alone.

[Neoteny]

Because "paranoia" and "psychopathy" don't actually have medical definitions. Thanks kids!

[spurgistan]

And now Zimmerman dumped his attorneys? And called the prosecutor? What's going on with this guy? Think the stress is finally getting to him?

His attorneys dumped him from what I've read about it. As they probably should if Zimmerman won't follow their advice as the attorneys are saying.

It's possible he's cracking up. It's no easy thing killing someone, even if justified (not saying Zimmerman was justified).

He should keep his mouth shut and let attorney's deal with this. Especially talking with the prosecutor without an attorney present. That's just stupid.

Also not easy when if you show up in public, certain groups want to try to capture you dead or alive.

Or force you to try to call Sean Hannity for an "off-the-record" chat, against the expressed wishes of your attorneys.
But yeah, New Black Panthers, though. They're totally a serious threat.

[Aradhus]

This topic has 44 pages and I've only read about a half dozen or so of them. What I don't understand is why conservatives are so eager to defend Zimmerman. I genuinely don't get it.

I understand completely, and it makes perfect sense, why people would be speaking out for Trayvon. He was a teenager who was shot and killed, under peculiar circumstances. It looked like the shooter wasn't even going to be charged with manslaughter. With a possible injustice going on it makes sense that people would speak out, for Trayvon. He's dead, he can't defend himself, or explain his actions, or what happened. Somebody has to.

Zimmerman can explain his actions. As best I see it, conservatives have rushed to defend Zimmerman because:

1 - A gun was involved
2 - A black man was killed.
3 - Liberals tried to shine a light on a potential injustice, conservatives have to oppose it because they're conditioned to oppose anything proposed by liberals.

[natty dread]

This topic has 44 pages and I've only read about a half dozen or so of them. What I don't understand is why conservatives are so eager to defend Zimmerman. I genuinely don't get it.

I've been asking the same for like 20 pages now, but none of the conservators are willing to give an honest answer... they just keep DODGING.

[Phatscotty]

This topic has 44 pages and I've only read about a half dozen or so of them. What I don't understand is why conservatives are so eager to defend Zimmerman. I genuinely don't get it.

I understand completely, and it makes perfect sense, why people would be speaking out for Trayvon. He was a teenager who was shot and killed, under peculiar circumstances. It looked like the shooter wasn't even going to be charged with manslaughter. With a possible injustice going on it makes sense that people would speak out, for Trayvon. He's dead, he can't defend himself, or explain his actions, or what happened. Somebody has to.

Zimmerman can explain his actions. As best I see it, conservatives have rushed to defend Zimmerman because:

1 - A gun was involved
2 - A black man was killed.
3 - Liberals tried to shine a light on a potential injustice, conservatives have to oppose it because they're conditioned to oppose anything proposed by liberals.

For the most part, Conservatives have been asking people to wait for all the facts, while some have pointed out known lies. For the most part, Liberals have demanded street justice, while some have asked to wait for the facts.

Who is defending Zimmerman? (Not even his lawyers are defending him anymore). I can see why you think this though. In taking up the challenge of calling the media out for their lies in perceived support to wrongfully convict Zimmerman in the public court of the media, and to many people that makes the truth seekers de-facto defending Zimmerman. That is not correct, at least in my case.

We don't have the whole story yet, but we have more of the story then we did before.

One thing we do know, is that Zimmerman will not be charged with a capital offense, which is something that mostly (possibly all) people on the left have been calling for in public and in this thread as well. This only shows the evidence they blindly assumed was there is not there.

[Phatscotty]

Z's lawyers press conference

You could skip to 29 minutes...



http://therealgeorgezimmerman.com/

I am the real George Zimmerman,
On Sunday February 26th, I was involved in a life altering event which led me to become the subject of intense media coverage. As a result of the incident and subsequent media coverage, I have been forced to leave my home, my school, my employer, my family and ultimately, my entire life. This website's sole purpose is to ensure my supporters they are receiving my full attention without any intermediaries.

It has come to my attention that some persons and/or entities have been collecting funds, thinly veiled as my “Defense Fund” or "Legal Fund". I cannot attest to the validity of these other websites as I have not received any funds collected, intended to support my family and I through this trying, tragic time.

I have created a Paypal account solely linked on this website as I would like to provide an avenue to thank my supporters personally and ensure that any funds provided are used only for living expenses and legal defense, in lieu of my forced inability to maintain employment. I will also personally, maintain accountability of all funds received. I reassure you, every donation is appreciated.
Sincerely,
George Zimmerman
Update as of 1:30pm EST on Tuesday, April 10th
I am attempting to respond to each and everyone of my supporters personally. The support has been overwhelming in volume and strength. I thank you all and ask that you permit me the time to respond to each one of you personally. Once again thank you.
Sincerely,
George Zimmerman

[BigBallinStalin]

Adhering to the "conservative v. liberal" mentality prevents people from thinking clearly.

[Phatscotty]

Adhering to the "conservative v. liberal" mentality prevents people from thinking clearly.

it was more of an observation, while also a direct response to the question about conservative vs. liberal. If this was response to Arad, NM

[keiths31]

This topic has 44 pages and I've only read about a half dozen or so of them. What I don't understand is why conservatives are so eager to defend Zimmerman. I genuinely don't get it.

I understand completely, and it makes perfect sense, why people would be speaking out for Trayvon. He was a teenager who was shot and killed, under peculiar circumstances. It looked like the shooter wasn't even going to be charged with manslaughter. With a possible injustice going on it makes sense that people would speak out, for Trayvon. He's dead, he can't defend himself, or explain his actions, or what happened. Somebody has to.

Zimmerman can explain his actions. As best I see it, conservatives have rushed to defend Zimmerman because:

1 - A gun was involved
2 - A black man was killed.
3 - Liberals tried to shine a light on a potential injustice, conservatives have to oppose it because they're conditioned to oppose anything proposed by liberals.

I'm a conservative, not an American conservative, so I can't speak for them, but from what I can gather from what I have read so far...

1- A gun was involved. Yes. Americans and more specifically conservative Americans value their right to carry a fire arm. They also strongly believe in their right to use said firearm to defend themselves. I personally hate guns and the gun laws in the US.

2. - A Black man was involved. Yup. So was there in the Tulsa shootings recently where two white men targeted Black men in a mini killing spree. The American conservatives here aren't defending them, because that is indefensible. The issue with the Martin/Zimmerman case is the "Stand Your Ground Law". It isn't a black vs Hispanic or black vs white issue. It is an issue of a law that some think is justifiable and some think is awful. I think this law is dangerous and too vague. Add in the right to carry a gun and you get situations like this one.

3. - Liberals bad, conservatives good - No. Not true. Both sides hold different values. And from I have learned in these forums is that neither side, regardless of the topic, is willing to allow themselves to be swayed by the other side's argument.

If this had happened in Canada, Zimmerman would be charged with manslaughter at the least and murder 2 at the most. But because in the US you are allowed to carry a concealed weapon, and you are allowed to use said weapon if you feel threatened, and you can claim self defense with very little reason, it is very hard to prove he is guilty. He he guilty by law? Doesn't look like it. Is he morally guilty? I believe so.

[BigBallinStalin]

Adhering to the "conservative v. liberal" mentality prevents people from thinking clearly.

it was more of an observation, while also a direct response to the question about conservative vs. liberal. If this was response to Arad, NM

My response is leveled at natty dread, Aradhus, NS, PS, etc. It's just a stupid dichotomy for the context of this thread.

[Neoteny]

The thread title, and OP, are still racist.

[patches70]

This topic has 44 pages and I've only read about a half dozen or so of them. What I don't understand is why conservatives are so eager to defend Zimmerman. I genuinely don't get it.

I've been asking the same for like 20 pages now, but none of the conservators are willing to give an honest answer... they just keep DODGING.

And I've been asking those who automatically insist that Zimmerman is guilty of some crime then what charge should be leveled against him. Crickets chirp.

I haven't defended Zimmerman. I've defended the rule of law and due process over that of mob justice.

So what charge should be leveled against Zimmerman in your opinion? Then apply the law to your choice and see where that takes you.

[Night Strike]

This topic has 44 pages and I've only read about a half dozen or so of them. What I don't understand is why conservatives are so eager to defend Zimmerman. I genuinely don't get it.

I've been asking the same for like 20 pages now, but none of the conservators are willing to give an honest answer... they just keep DODGING.

And I've been asking those who automatically insist that Zimmerman is guilty of some crime then what charge should be leveled against him. Crickets chirp.

I haven't defended Zimmerman. I've defended the rule of law and due process over that of mob justice.

So what charge should be leveled against Zimmerman in your opinion? Then apply the law to your choice and see where that takes you.

Don't worry, defending the rule of law is akin to racism in natty's world. Violent mobs are always right and the only way to rule a country.

[BigBallinStalin]

The thread title, and OP, are still racist.

Throw this man into the Bagger 288 pit!

[bedub1]

Zimmerman is going to be charged! I wonder how this will play out in the court system.

[Iron Butterfly]

The lawyers claimed that the reason they are dropping him is because they havnt heard from him and he wasant returning messages or calls since Sunday. The lawyers went public tuesday with this info.

So...less then 48 hours without word and this is their reasoning?

Somthing is amiss and there is more to this.

Just my opinion.

[patches70]

Zimmerman is going to be charged! I wonder how this will play out in the court system.

With either manslaughter or a lesser charge than that.

How it's going to play out, assuming that Zimmerman doesn't plead out and he'll defend himself in court.

He'll use the self defense defense most likely and I hope people are ready for some more fresh outrage.
Why is that Patches?
Because, under Florida law, the defense can use evidence to the character of Martin for the jury to consider. Meaning Martin's issues with school, his facebook, his words he used, all that is fair game.

For instance, if you were to kill a guy and claim self defense, during your trial you can bring up facts that the person you killed was violent or generally threatening using past circumstances documented in that person's life.

If you killed some church going person who has never had a single documented case of ill behavior vs a person who has been in and out of prison for assault and such, well the jury can take that into consideration.

And lordy, if Zimmerman happens to get acquitted (which is possible in a trial) then you'll see the real fireworks of outrage.

[patches70]

The lawyers claimed that the reason they are dropping him is because they havnt heard from him and he wasant returning messages or calls since Sunday. The lawyers went public tuesday with this info.

So...less then 48 hours without word and this is their reasoning?

Somthing is amiss and there is more to this.

Just my opinion.

From the very mouths of the defense lawyers they said the final straw was when Zimmerman contacted Hannity and the prosecutor without the knowledge and counsel of the defense. I don't blame them, Zimmerman should be keeping his mouth shut. Period. Until the trial or under the auspices of his attorney.

[Lootifer]

And I've been asking those who automatically insist that Zimmerman is guilty of some crime then what charge should be leveled against him. Crickets chirp.

I haven't defended Zimmerman. I've defended the rule of law and due process over that of mob justice.

So what charge should be leveled against Zimmerman in your opinion? Then apply the law to your choice and see where that takes you.

Most of the non american crowd here are boggled by the fact that you can kill an un-armed person as a private citizen and not be funneled stright into the courts/judicial system, nor be immediately charged with something.

Sure it's the american way, but by jingo that seems like some weird shit.