Israel Plans to Restore Death Penalty for Everyone but Jews

[patches70]

When you're backed by the US, you've got a free hand to crush as you please.

In regards to this, the other day when Israel bombed that UN school and killed all those kids, less than 24 hours later the White House condemned the Israeli attack on that school. An hour after that the White authorized the resupply of ammunition that Israel has thus expended on Gaza. Hahaha!

It's surreal. Say "tsk tsk tsk Israel for blowing up that school. Here ya go, some more bombs for ya to blow up more stuff in Gaza. Try not to blow up any more UN facilities while you are at it."

And all the AP can say is "This is the harshest criticism against Israel the US has issued over the course of three weeks of heavy fighting between Israel and Hamas". And then completely ignore that it's all bullshit because we just went ahead and gave them more munitions with which to drop on places like UN schools and Palestinian civilians.
<heavy sigh>

[DaGip]

Those who support genocide should be wiped off the face of the planet.

[Metsfanmax]

Those who support genocide should be wiped off the face of the planet.

Or just sent to Palestine.

[saxitoxin]

saxi i am sure the palistinans have done nothing wrong in your eyes.. just as the people who say isreal is only defending itself the sad truth is that both sides commit atrositys and the only way out of this sad cycle of violence that has taken hold in the middle east for centrys is simple.. both sides must stop not just isreal plasinans to.. they must forget the past and live in peace. an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

While you make an important point, I should just like to point out there have not been centuries of conflict between Jews and Arabs. Prior to 1930 or so, there has not been a Jewish army or any other fighting force in the last 2,000 years. And yet during this same time there have been Arab armies numbering in the hundreds of thousands that have even pushed into southern Europe.

If Arabs wanted to wipe-out the Jews they could have done it with a flick of the wrist at just about any point in the last 2,000 years. So how could the ancient temples and Jewish communities of the Middle East survive two millenia? It's not because the evil Arabs just never got to "exterminate the Jews" on their To Do list. It's because Arab Muslims (and to a far lesser extent Arab Christians) have never had an historic interest in killing Jews, despite what Duk says with his "sworn blood enemies" Xena Warrior Princess crap. When Saladin the Great conquered Jerusalem from the Christians, he immediately ordered all Jewish property confiscated by the Crusaders returned and the synagogues that had been converted to churches reconverted back to synagogues. If it were not for the magnanimity of Arabs, it is an absolute guarantee there would either be no Jews today, or they would all be living in India where the Zorastrians had to move when they were expelled.

The emergence of the Doomsday Zionist cult in Judaism threw a monkeywrench in this status quo of peaceful co-existence.

[a6mzero]

90 minutes into a 72 hour cease fire Hamas launches a sneak attack on a group of IDF soldiers.The attack included a belly bomber. Guess he was in a hurry to get it on with his 90 virgins. Like I said drive them into the sea.See how many rockets they can launch from a rowboat.

[BigBallinStalin]

saxi i am sure the palistinans have done nothing wrong in your eyes.. just as the people who say isreal is only defending itself the sad truth is that both sides commit atrositys and the only way out of this sad cycle of violence that has taken hold in the middle east for centrys is simple.. both sides must stop not just isreal plasinans to.. they must forget the past and live in peace. an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

While you make an important point, I should just like to point out there have not been centuries of conflict between Jews and Arabs. Prior to 1930 or so, there has not been a Jewish army or any other fighting force in the last 2,000 years. And yet during this same time there have been Arab armies numbering in the hundreds of thousands that have even pushed into southern Europe.

If Arabs wanted to wipe-out the Jews they could have done it with a flick of the wrist at just about any point in the last 2,000 years. So how could the ancient temples and Jewish communities of the Middle East survive two millenia? It's not because the evil Arabs just never got to "exterminate the Jews" on their To Do list. It's because Arab Muslims (and to a far lesser extent Arab Christians) have never had an historic interest in killing Jews, despite what Duk says with his "sworn blood enemies" Xena Warrior Princess crap. When Saladin the Great conquered Jerusalem from the Christians, he immediately ordered all Jewish property confiscated by the Crusaders returned and the synagogues that had been converted to churches reconverted back to synagogues. If it were not for the magnanimity of Arabs, it is an absolute guarantee there would either be no Jews today, or they would all be living in India where the Zorastrians had to move when they were expelled.

The emergence of the Doomsday Zionist cult in Judaism threw a monkeywrench in this status quo of peaceful co-existence.

If y'all still think sax is crazy, check out The Middle East by Bernard Lewis for an overview of the history. The general pattern of an 'Arab' invasion of some area was to simply tax people who weren't Muslim. Many converted but those who didn't simply paid an additional income tax (about 5% or so). It wasn't harsh, and it was definitely a better policy since it's more profitable to tax people than become entrenched in a war against insurgents.

[BigBallinStalin]

Here's a fun question: how much are people willing to pay to change religions?

According to the Middle Eastern experience, that price is an additional 5% income tax. Pretty interesting, huh?

[BigBallinStalin]

90 minutes into a 72 hour cease fire Hamas launches a sneak attack on a group of IDF soldiers.The attack included a belly bomber. Guess he was in a hurry to get it on with his 90 virgins. Like I said drive them into the sea.See how many rockets they can launch from a rowboat.

First, give us a source.

Then, we might take your post more seriously.

[a6mzero]

Not posting a source to be disparaged by the editor in chief of the Hamas Daily who runs this thread. Its public news so there should be multiple sources.

[saxitoxin]

90 minutes into a 72 hour cease fire Hamas launches a sneak attack on a group of IDF soldiers.

What were IDF terrorists doing in Gaza to be attacked during the ceasefire?

The terms of the ceasefire were identical to those of the 2012 ceasefire and read: "Israel should stop all hostilities in the Gaza Strip land, sea and air including incursions and targeting of individuals." The media relations office of the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades reports:

There had not been any Israeli soldiers in eastern Rafah for the past 20 days. But as soon as the ceasefire was announced, Israeli movement in the area began at around 0200 HRS. They moved 2.5 kilometers into eastern Rafah. In response to that, our fighters clashed with Israeli soldiers in Rafah at 0700 HRS.

http://www.qassam.ps/press_releases

So either (a) Palestine invaded Israel and attacked an IDF unit - which, notably, Israel has not claimed - or, (b) Israel entered the State of Palestine in violation of the ceasefire agreement, were challenged and successfully repelled by soldiers of a Palestinian military unit engaged in legitimate border security operations. Those are really the only two options.

[a6mzero]

There is no State of Palestine. They were examining part of the tunnel network Hamas uses and intends to use against Israeli targets. The targets would be civilians , the target of choice for a terrorist organization.

[a6mzero]

Told u the editor in chief would be on it like hair on a gorilla.

[saxitoxin]

There is no State of Palestine.

Seventy-percent of the world's nations representing 80% of the world's population says there is a State of Palestine, as does the UN. But you are absolutely entitled to believe whatever principled fantasies you like; that there is not a State of Palestine, or that the Sun revolves around the Earth, or that babies are delivered by storks. However, don't be surprised if people question your reliability.

They were examining part of the tunnel network

If it's in Gazan territory after the ceasefire was declared, they're not entitled to conduct "examinations" anymore than Palestinian forces are allowed to send a demolitions platoon into downtown Tel Aviv to photograph, map and "examine" the police barracks. Do you understand what the word agreement means?

[a6mzero]

I understand what the word means. Hamas and their ilk have no understanding of what the word agreement means. Never have,never will.

[a6mzero]

Hamas is a pariah in the Arab world the sooner they are gone the sooner there can be peace.

[BigBallinStalin]

Not posting a source to be disparaged by the editor in chief of the Hamas Daily who runs this thread. Its public news so there should be multiple sources.

Who cares about saxitoxin? C'mon. If you got a source, post it. I'll address you seriously until then.

If you're not going to provide a source, then any reasonable person can easily dismiss your claims as unfounded. Sucks, doesn't it?

[GabonX]

Not posting a source to be disparaged by the editor in chief of the Hamas Daily who runs this thread. Its public news so there should be multiple sources.

Who cares about saxitoxin? C'mon. If you got a source, post it. I'll address you seriously until then.

If you're not going to provide a source, then any reasonable person can easily dismiss your claims as unfounded. Sucks, doesn't it?

No, he's right. Its all over the news. Currently the story is at the top of HuffingtonPost and its also the major headline on DrudgeReport. If you were trying to keep up with events you would have seen this by now...
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 2-05-10-33

I think its funny that you apply this level of scrutiny to easily verifiable facts when someone who's pro Israel posts them but ignore all of the outrageously untrue things the other side posts, while still portraying yourself as being level headed and impartial.

[patches70]

Yeah, but what are the circumstances of the breaking of the truce? You don't hear about that in any of the news stories. The captured soldier and the two soldiers who were killed were in Gaza. What were Israeli troops doing in Gaza when there was a cease fire in effect?

It would be the same result in any conflict. Front lines, WWI, the Germans and the Allies agree to a ceasefire and then a French unit finds Germans behind French lines, what do you think would happen? Those Germans are going to be shot and/or captured, because the Germans broke the cease fire and infiltrated French lines during a truce. Presumably to improve the German position once the cease fire ends.

And that is what it appears the Israeli's were doing. Cease fire goes into effect so the Israeli troops figured they had a free pass to roam about behind enemy lines without having to worry about getting shot at. That was a mistake and a violation of the ceasefire in itself.

But you don't hear about that in the news stories, do you? Though I've seen in the stories that it is acknowledged that the Israeli soldiers in question were indeed within Gaza proper when the incident happened. How come no one is asking- "Why were there Israeli soldiers operating in Gaza during a cease fire?"

Seems like a valid question. Have you asked that question, Gabonx?

[GabonX]

The terms allowed Israeli troops to remain in Gaza and continue dismantling tunnels, but not to advance past their current positions. There was no mention of withdrawal in the terms that Hamas agreed to for this 72 hour ceasefire. Hamas ambushed an Israeli position thereby violating the ceasefire...

This is at least the 5th ceasefire Hamas has agreed to and violated in the current conflict.

[a6mzero]

Its estimated over 100 Hamas rockets have landed in Gaza proper. I wonder what the death toll is from self inflicted wounds. Since Hamas states all Palestinians are potential marytrs maybe they are just trying to help in their own way.

[mrswdk]

Is Israel-Palestine a religious conflict, or is it a territorial conflict whose belligerents happen to be Jews and Muslims?

[targetman377]

saxi i am sure the palistinans have done nothing wrong in your eyes.. just as the people who say isreal is only defending itself the sad truth is that both sides commit atrositys and the only way out of this sad cycle of violence that has taken hold in the middle east for centrys is simple.. both sides must stop not just isreal plasinans to.. they must forget the past and live in peace. an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

While you make an important point, I should just like to point out there have not been centuries of conflict between Jews and Arabs. Prior to 1930 or so, there has not been a Jewish army or any other fighting force in the last 2,000 years. And yet during this same time there have been Arab armies numbering in the hundreds of thousands that have even pushed into southern Europe.

If Arabs wanted to wipe-out the Jews they could have done it with a flick of the wrist at just about any point in the last 2,000 years. So how could the ancient temples and Jewish communities of the Middle East survive two millenia? It's not because the evil Arabs just never got to "exterminate the Jews" on their To Do list. It's because Arab Muslims (and to a far lesser extent Arab Christians) have never had an historic interest in killing Jews, despite what Duk says with his "sworn blood enemies" Xena Warrior Princess crap. When Saladin the Great conquered Jerusalem from the Christians, he immediately ordered all Jewish property confiscated by the Crusaders returned and the synagogues that had been converted to churches reconverted back to synagogues. If it were not for the magnanimity of Arabs, it is an absolute guarantee there would either be no Jews today, or they would all be living in India where the Zorastrians had to move when they were expelled.

The emergence of the Doomsday Zionist cult in Judaism threw a monkeywrench in this status quo of peaceful co-existence.

If y'all still think sax is crazy, check out The Middle East by Bernard Lewis for an overview of the history. The general pattern of an 'Arab' invasion of some area was to simply tax people who weren't Muslim. Many converted but those who didn't simply paid an additional income tax (about 5% or so). It wasn't harsh, and it was definitely a better policy since it's more profitable to tax people than become entrenched in a war against insurgents.

Yes i know my history at times Arab nations have been more accommodating but here is your problem is that you are only saying what the other side did wrong. But there have also been times when Arabs have not been so kind and acted just as Israel is now. Both sides have done it. for centreis and yes there are zionst who would like nothing better then to have all isalm people killed but at that same token there are musliums who want all jews and christians killed. there are Christians who want all muslims killed. By not adding that into your concusion you are cherry picking things form the past to suit your narrative. i could make a narrative that shows isreal is all good just as i good make a nartive of palstiins being all good and only being opressed and as BigBallinStalin said that they are not strong enough that is not true..I am sorry but by saying this you are basically saying these humans can't make that choice but then can they can all chose at any moment to stop fighting It will take both sides not one side to oppose somthing on the other. It does not have to be like that. Thats whats amazing about humans they are always inclined to think they must win but to truly win one must transenced there own wants and look at the larger picture if the people in gaza stand against the people that attack isreal then this peace will come just as if the people of isreal say enough to there leaders. We all have chocies in life its the greatest gift of life And we should all strive to do better. Its that simple. you don't need to worry about past wrongs we don't live in the past we live in the presant so they need to change. America, the un, all other nations can't force this upon these people they must make a consciouse chocie to it themselves. But as long as all groups are only focused on the past then there will be no peace. saxi is spreading one side of the argument i would take saxi claims if he showed both sides until then... well saxi you are crazy I Don't really like baised news report that are clearly biesed...It actually weakens your case.

[targetman377]

The Times of Israel news site had a rather interesting blog up not too long ago. As in a few hours ago. That blog post no longer appears. Luckily, we have access to the Way Back machine and we can grab the screen shot of what was there-




Yep, I guess I can see why it was taken down. The author has just apologized for the blog however. So I guess no harm no foul. The blog of course is doing what it's title says, justifying genocide.

The author, Yochanan Gordon, goes into why genocide of Palestinians is permissible.

The story was shared the world over the moment it got posted and even though it has been taken down and the author has apologized, I doubt that will do much to help Israel's case.

So what say you all? Is Genocide of the Palestinians permissible?

actually this bloger was fired.... yes and we should always take the veiw of one person as the views for the whole mass.

[saxitoxin]

Is Israel-Palestine a religious conflict, or is it a territorial conflict whose belligerents happen to be Jews and Muslims?

Territorial conflict. Zionists have been trying to drum up Islamaphobia to pretend it's an epic battle of civilizations, but it's just a zoning and land use dispute the US should stop funding.

[mrswdk]

What does the US actually gain from supporting Israel? Is it arms sales, or something else? I was under the impression that they give Israel a lot of its munitions at little or no cost (i.e. it's not a profitable enterprise) but I may be mistaken.