Why Stiffer Gun Control/Bannings Are In Order

[Juan_Bottom]

The caliber is the same but that's all. One has a pistol grip, and takes rapid-change ammo clips. The top rifle is fixed on the ammo amount. The bottom gun also has a collapsible shoulder stock for firing indoors. I could go on, but everyone knows this already.

Because it won't make a lick of difference, and why should I give up my ability to purchase a firearm? And it's not imaginary. Home invasions happen every day. It happened to me about five years ago.

Deciding to ban handguns is a short-sighted, ultimately ineffectual measure. You're treating the symptom, not the disease.

Again, no one is talking about taking away your ability to purchase a firearm, only ending the sale and manufacture of new hand guns. You could still buy, sell, trade, gift, and inherit anything that is already on the market. That is exactly the same as the 1986 ban. And because most gun violence is done with concealable handguns, that would make a difference in crime.
The bottom line is that since 1979 over 110,000 kids have been killed with guns in America. We're dealing with mass shootings every other month. And the gun enthusiasts and their lobby have done nothing to treat either the symptom or the disease. In fact they've made it easier to get a hold of a gun. So they're not as "responsible" as they claim. And it's with this fact, and shootings like Sandyhook in mind that it's time for the rest of us to do what is necessary.

[Phatscotty]

3 suspicious characters were outside my house last night , I ignored them , they moved on and nobody got hurt or died.

Good thing that happens 100% of the time....since there must be zero burglaries around the world

x a billion

[HapSmo19]

More Holiday gun killings. More reasons stricter gun control laws are needed!

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2012/ ... story.html

Seems like the death penalty for beating a 92 year old woman to death with a hammer could've prevented this one.

[rdsrds2120]

More Holiday gun killings. More reasons stricter gun control laws are needed!

A hammer could've prevented this one.

You mean a gun? .

Just messing! I think arguing that an active death penalty would have prevented this is extremely circumstantial. Just as circumstantial, in fact, in saying "if only the government took away all guns" (to some people).

BMO

[HapSmo19]

More Holiday gun killings. More reasons stricter gun control laws are needed!

A hammer could've prevented this one.

You mean a gun? .

Just messing! I think arguing that an active death penalty would have prevented this is extremely circumstantial. Just as circumstantial, in fact, in saying "if only the government took away all guns" (to some people).

BMO

How do you figure? This guy was released from prison after serving 17 yrs. for beating a 92 year old woman to death with a hammer. Call me crazy but it seems like beating a 92 year old woman to death with a hammer could be considered a red flag. Had he had his fucking head blown off($2) the day he lost his last appeal, the taxpayers could've saved a bundle and a couple people would still be alive today. Just sayin'.

[rdsrds2120]

More Holiday gun killings. More reasons stricter gun control laws are needed!

A hammer could've prevented this one.

You mean a gun? .

Just messing! I think arguing that an active death penalty would have prevented this is extremely circumstantial. Just as circumstantial, in fact, in saying "if only the government took away all guns" (to some people).

BMO

How do you figure? This guy was released from prison after serving 17 yrs. for beating a 92 year old woman to death with a hammer. Call me crazy but it seems like beating a 92 year old woman to death with a hammer could be considered a red flag. Had he had his fucking head blown off($2) the day he lost his last appeal, the taxpayers could've saved a bundle and a couple people would still be alive today. Just sayin'.

What else are red flags? Plenty of people (more than not, I imagine) will not go on massive killing sprees after being released from prison for murder/homocide. I don't think that the answer is the death penalty, practically speaking.

[comic boy]

3 suspicious characters were outside my house last night , I ignored them , they moved on and nobody got hurt or died.

Good thing that happens 100% of the time....since there must be zero burglaries around the world

x a billion

Plenty of burglaries but many of them when the houses are empty or occupents asleep DOH !
Maybe its different in your LA LA Land , what with everybody cowering inside through fear and socialising by the computer with their pretend 'buddies '

[PLAYER57832]

Obviously, a line needs to be drawn somewhere, is drawn, and does not infringe on the right.

So why must we always redraw the line to involve more governmental controls and less individual freedom? Why does the line rarely, if ever, move closer to individual freedoms? And this goes for all areas of the government, not just gun control.

Because, by the very definition, controls and limits MEAN less individual freedom.

If you wish to take the view that anyone telling you you cannnot do something, which is essentially what you are arguing, then all laws and rules are infringements. The trouble is that YOUR idea of freedom may be oppressive to other people.

To take a very real gun example, shooting is allowed in most National Forests. It should be, no question. BUT.. here is the thing, should anyone be able to just pick up a gun and go target shoot anywhere in the woods? How about with those new rifles that can shoot almost a mile (fi conditions are just right). I used to work in the woods. More than a few my colleagues have had bullets fly past when we were out doing surveys to assess timber and so forth. I was even lectured more than a few times on how unsafe it was for me to be out there, never mind I was wearing blaze orange all over, had clipboards and other parephenalia indicating I was certainly working. I used to love to go out and hike. Here.. I have to check the hunting seasons first or wait until Sunday.

THOSE things are oppressive to me and many other people. And that is what you like to just dismiss. Gun ownership involves responsibility. It means YOU, not the other people out there, have the responsibility to make sure you are shooting in a safe manner, just like the drive of a car has the responsibility to make sure it is operated safely. Unfortunately, too many like to hide behind the second amendment and act as if the right to bear arms means they have the right to shoot them however and whenver they want.. without regard to anyone else's right to just be and do without threat of being shot.

THAT is why it must be up to gun owners themselves to take more responsibility... and because, no matter how you slice it, there are far more people being threatened and harmed by stupid people who want to own guns than people who want to own guns, guess who will have the larger voice? If the NOT stupid people want to have guns, they have to take charge and responsibility for ensuring that the stupid are somehow controlled.... add in the insane and outright evil, and you have large groups of people who plain have no business owning guns.

[Metsfanmax]

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http://www.news10.net/news/article/222195/2/1-dead-in-Sacramento-home-invasion

This is a tragedy. One person is dead and the homeowner was shot, and this all happened so that the burglars weren't able to get away with some jewelry. This is not a good thing, this is a bad thing.

I know that when someone is breaking into your house, you can't be sure that they won't harm your family, so I don't blame the homeowner for what he did. Still a tragedy.

[Iliad]

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http://www.news10.net/news/article/222195/2/1-dead-in-Sacramento-home-invasion

Don't fucking cite bullshit statistics about Australia, it's fucking pleasant over here, and no the crime rate did not shoot up. That was just a bald-faced lie by the NRA which kinda means your pretty graphic stands for shitall. Don't try to use Australia as an example in your pathetic crusade to keep your precious guns at ever increasing cost to society. We had one massacre and we worked and fixed hte issue. Amazing how reducing the access of military grade weaponry can increase the safety of its society.


Also a special shoutout to the NRA for taking a discussion about gun rights and turning into a demonisation of mental illnesses. Real top notch stuff from them there. As well as calling continued discussion about guns as a kneejerk response, while simultaneously proposing the most kneejerk policy reaction I've probably heard.

[CreepersWiener]

More Holiday gun killings. More reasons stricter gun control laws are needed!

A hammer could've prevented this one.

You mean a gun? .

Just messing! I think arguing that an active death penalty would have prevented this is extremely circumstantial. Just as circumstantial, in fact, in saying "if only the government took away all guns" (to some people).

BMO

How do you figure? This guy was released from prison after serving 17 yrs. for beating a 92 year old woman to death with a hammer. Call me crazy but it seems like beating a 92 year old woman to death with a hammer could be considered a red flag. Had he had his fucking head blown off($2) the day he lost his last appeal, the taxpayers could've saved a bundle and a couple people would still be alive today. Just sayin'.

What else are red flags? Plenty of people (more than not, I imagine) will not go on massive killing sprees after being released from prison for murder/homocide. I don't think that the answer is the death penalty, practically speaking.

I am sure red flags could be construed as almost anything. Former murderers, rapists, mental illness, race, religion...the red flags go on and on. I mean lets look at the statistics for violent crime of men compared to women.

In the United States men are ten times more likely to commit murder than women. Using the "red flag" method of dealing with future crimes we could ascertain that if we spent a couple hundred million dollars on bullets we could lower the murder rate in the US by ten times if we kill off all the men.

HapSmo19 for Pharaoh, anyone?

[stahrgazer]

What else are red flags? Plenty of people (more than not, I imagine) will not go on massive killing sprees after being released from prison for murder/homocide. I don't think that the answer is the death penalty, practically speaking.

Enforcing the death penalty more frequently, with less decades of appeals, might actually be a deterrent. It would certainly cut prison costs. Further, plenty of violent criminals DO commit violence again upon release (more "do" than "don't".)

[Phatscotty]

I think almost all of the recent mass shooter had some serious mental problems, except for that terrorist nidal hasan

[Nobunaga]

I love this video.

[chang50]

What else are red flags? Plenty of people (more than not, I imagine) will not go on massive killing sprees after being released from prison for murder/homocide. I don't think that the answer is the death penalty, practically speaking.

Enforcing the death penalty more frequently, with less decades of appeals, might actually be a deterrent. It would certainly cut prison costs. Further, plenty of violent criminals DO commit violence again upon release (more "do" than "don't".)

The death penalty is no deterrent to someone who does not want to survive the spree,but it might stop someone from surrendering before killing more innocent people if they thought they had nothing to lose.

[spurgistan]

I love this video.

So, what's the point? That Hollywood helps propagate gun culture, so it's ok? Also, a lot of those clips are people using guns badly and bad stuff happening.

[PLAYER57832]

I love this video.

So, what's the point? That Hollywood helps propagate gun culture, so it's ok? Also, a lot of those clips are people using guns badly and bad stuff happening.

Its not OK, it is exactly why those who own guns, who want to keep them need to take responsibility in this debate and need to do more than shout "second amendment".. like it or F*ck off.

A lot of people seem to forget, but do you know who STARTED the idea of game preserves and conservation? Hunters! Hunters who saw wetlands being drained and knew ducks need wetlands, hunters who wanted areas set aside free from houses where they could shoot... etc.

Who started gun safety programs? I am not going to say the NRA started them, but they have did take a lead in that area. I am currently no fan of the NRA, but that is becuase they have taken too much energy lately away from promoting safe and sane gun useage to promoting the idea that almost any limit on gun use is bad and needs to be heavily defended.

I said something similar in another thread, but I will repeat it. If the image your average soccer mom has of guns is crime on the nightly newscast and hollywood "Rambo" and "Dirty Harry" wanna bes, then just what do you think her opinion of guns and gun ownership is going to be?


And... there are a LOT more "soccer moms" out there than than hunters and sports shooters, so you ignore them at your perile.

[warmonger1981]

Anyone hear of an incident in San Antonio in which a person with a gun stormed into a restaurant with a gun shooting people? I heard people fled to a theater next door. The gunman followed and was met by a cop with a gun and he was shot dead before the gunman could kill anyone in the theater. Force was met with force. It happened Dec 17 2012. Can anyone who says all guns should be banned complain about this? Of course I will hear the complaint it was a cop so its ok for the guns but what's the difference if it was a cop or a trained citizen?

[Woodruff]

Can anyone who says all guns should be banned complain about this?

Who the f*ck is this "anyone", because I don't see them very often and I don't believe I've seen them in this thread, other than perhaps the troll.

Seriously, the amount of bullshit misdirection on the part of the gun-loving contingent in this thread is ridiculous. It's like you guys know you have no leg to stand on, so you have to try to create situations that do not exist as a means of trying to support your bullshit.

[HapSmo19]

I love this video.

That is hilarious. Too bad it was made before django could be incorporated into the jamie fox bit. That movie was a bloodbath.

[HapSmo19]

Can anyone who says all guns should be banned complain about this?

Who the f*ck is this "anyone", because I don't see them very often and I don't believe I've seen them in this thread, other than perhaps the troll.

Seriously, the amount of bullshit misdirection on the part of the gun-loving contingent in this thread is ridiculous. It's like you guys know you have no leg to stand on, so you have to try to create situations that do not exist as a means of trying to support your bullshit.

The right to keep and bear arms seems like a leg to stand on.

[warmonger1981]

Dont worry most of us are debt slaves roaming in a so called "free society". Guns will be banned sooner than later by the United Nations. Micro chips will be implanted in all humans once the world goes cashless and moves to strict credit controls. We will all live in an utopian world where there will never be death outside of natural causes since there will be no weapons to hurt me and the government will be there everytime a person hurts my feelings. Giving up totall control of my life was easier than I thought. I now see the light. Thanks Im cured of my selfish way thinking a law abiding person has a right to defend themselves. Like I said if it was all about saving lives lets start with cigarettes and alcohol and get off this petty gun shit. Death is bad no matter from where it comes from. Its funny to see how people can be used as tools to further enslave themselves. Cant nobody protect you but you.

[spurgistan]

Cool, you're a crazy person. We need more of those. Keep on keepin' on.

[warmonger1981]

I am crazy. Legally.

[Woodruff]

Can anyone who says all guns should be banned complain about this?

Who the f*ck is this "anyone", because I don't see them very often and I don't believe I've seen them in this thread, other than perhaps the troll.

Seriously, the amount of bullshit misdirection on the part of the gun-loving contingent in this thread is ridiculous. It's like you guys know you have no leg to stand on, so you have to try to create situations that do not exist as a means of trying to support your bullshit.

The right to keep and bear arms seems like a leg to stand on.

The right to keep and bear arms is trying to ban all guns? Do you morons even think a little bit before you post? Good God, at least read the fucking post you're responding to, you illiterate buffoon.