Obama's rating: Strong. But Average. And Way Divided.

[black elk speaks]

So I read that Alan Keyes now has a suit to stop Obama from getting the California vote untill he proves he is a natural born citizen. lol, it's never going to go away.

it is a valid question after all. what would happen if it turns out that he is not. Would the presidency go to biden?

It is not a valid question, it is a moronic one.

Really? it was never settled. There are several questions out there that have never been answered... wait, this is BO we are talking about... there are hundreds of questions out there that were never answered.

His citizenship was challenged and nothing conclusive was ever determined. I say it is a valid question.

I got fast posted by pope and juan... take that borri!

[Dancing Mustard]

link to your source please?

He already posted in on page 22. Quit asking for people to repeat themselves all the time.

goddammit!

you made me look.

HA HA!

[mpjh]

[black elk speaks]

:D

shut up you!

[jonesthecurl]

I've heard that telling people to shut up can be very effective indeed - it always works.

[mpjh]

Sure does.

[Backglass]

Why? Obama REFUSES to answer the question

He has provided a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. He didnt create his own...they provided it. Are they "on the take" too?

he had the governer of Hawaii seal all his records away when he made the trip 'to see his nana.'

Heresay. Link please.

Plus Obama's immediate family living in Kenya all say that he was born there.

Not true...just one heresay, off-hand comment from an elderly woman he has barely had contact with. He was abandoned by his father, never spoke to these people on a different continent, and now they claim they are so close? Please.

All Obama has to do, is get a certified copy(copies) of his birth certificate and that would end the chase. The fact that he won't is actually troubling me. What kind of president is that?
"I don't have to answer to the law, or the American people?"

Because it is frivolous and without merit. Another man says he had gay sex and smoked crack with him. Should he have to PROVE those allegations are false as well?

There has been way more investigating into Palin & the trooper than Obama. At least be fair, Palin was found inocent

Revisionist history. She was found guilty of ethics violations.

"I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110 (a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act," investigator Steve Branchflower concluded in the panel's 263-page report.

Of course, Governor Palin’s spin doctors went to work immidiatly in a futile attempt to save face. They of course claim that this whole thing was orchestrated, wildly claiming that, basically, those people who uphold ethics and morality according to current law in the bureaucracy are acting out a “a partisan-led inquiry”. Some sort of a liberal conspiracy to respect the rule of law? If the judges and investigators are of a different party we just ignore their facts & findings as biased?

We are SO lucky this crooked redneck isn't in power nationally.

Suck it up cupcake. YOU LOST. Now try to be a patriotic American and respect your new President instead of spreading your anti-american rhetoric!

[Juan_Bottom]

He has provided a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. He didnt create his own...they provided it. Are they "on the take" too?

No, he provided a picture of it.

Juan_Bottom wrote:
he had the governer of Hawaii seal all his records away when he made the trip 'to see his nana.'

Heresay. Link please.

I have linked it, don't you follow my links?
Here's a new one:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79900

HONOLULU – Even though Hawaii officials now claim to have verified the authenticity of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate – in hopes of ending widespread speculation and even multiple lawsuits challenging the Democrat candidate's constitutional qualification to be president – it turns out there is still reason for serious questioning.
In fact, there is considerable evidence that Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii as the candidate and his campaign have maintained.
As WND reported from Honolulu last week, Gov. Linda Lingle instructed the Hawaii Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to Obama's original birth certificate. Lingle's letter to WND made clear that the original doctor-generated and hospital-released birth certificate on file with the state's health department would be released to the press if Obama so requested – but to date the candidate has made no such request.

Last week in Hawaii, WND retained a top private investigator with extensive FBI training and tasked with visiting both the Queens Medical Center and the Kaliolani Medical Center to investigate claims that Obama birth certificates existed at either hospital

.

But the private investigator reported that on Thursday and Friday of last week, sheriff's deputies were stationed at both hospitals to fend off press inquiries about Obama's birth certificate.

To date, Obama and his campaign have refused to disclose the name of the doctor delivering the candidate or the precise hospital where he was born.

The main reason doubts persist regarding Obama's birth certificate is this question: If an original Hawaii-doctor-generated and Hawaii-hospital-released Obama birth certificate exists, why wouldn't the senator and his campaign simply order the document released and end the controversy?

Juan_Bottom wrote:
Plus Obama's immediate family living in Kenya all say that he was born there.

Not true...just one heresay, off-hand comment from an elderly woman he has barely had contact with. He was abandoned by his father, never spoke to these people on a different continent, and now they claim they are so close? Please.

His half-sister and half-brother also claim to have been present when he was born.

Because it is frivolous and without merit. Another man says he had gay sex and smoked crack with him. Should he have to PROVE those allegations are false as well?

Yes, if all he has to do is sign a paper to release a picture of him being somewhere else at the time, then yes. And you would too.

[Backglass]

No, he provided a picture of it.

No. THE STATE OF HAWAII provided a certificate and has vouched, over and over again, to it's validity.

Do you not trust the great state of Hawaii now? Is this a deep Polynesian conspiracy?

I have linked it, don't you follow my links? Here's a new one:http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79900

Thanks for proving my point. HERESAY from "World Net Daily" is now proof?!!" A far right-wing trash blog?

Here is a quick listing of their "unbiased news stories":

• Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
• Obama 'admits' Kenyan birth?
• DNC steps in to silence lawsuit over Obama birth certificate
• Democrat sues Sen. Obama over 'fraudulent candidacy'
• 2 campaigns seek 'truth' about Obama's birth
• Obama birth certificate: Real or phony baloney?
• Blogger reveals Obama birth certificate
• Is Obama's candidacy constitutional?
• Limbaugh shows Obama stumbles without his notes
• Obama denies Michelle made derogatory remark
• Obama's VP team has link to Marc Rich
• Did Hamas 'un-endorse' Obama?
• Nation of Islam activists on Obama camp payroll
• Obama's military claims inconsistent with records
• Can Obama see dead people?
• Obama commits Holocaust gaffe?
• Obama misrepresented tie with Palestinian activist?
• Report: Obama mentored by Communist Party figure
• Obama raised funds for Islamic causes
• Obama worked with terrorist
• Obama campaign: Mum's the word!
• Obama-Farrakhan link off-limits
• NBC admits bias toward Obama

If these bitter losers are your sources, you are in deep shit! Who next...Art Bell?

His half-sister and half-brother also claim to have been present when he was born.

Of course they do. I am sure he has relatives he never even knew he had coming out of the woodwork in hopes of getting fame/money/anything. This does not make it true. In fact I was recently contacted by one of his Nigerian relatives that claimed he had a large inheritance he wanted to share with me.

Yes, if all he has to do is sign a paper to release a picture of him being somewhere else at the time, then yes. And you would too.

I would not. You cannot go down the road of entertaining every lunatic that throws an allegation your way. If this man has no proof himself, why should Obama need to dis-prove anything?!

[Juan_Bottom]

wonk wonk wonk

Don't mock me, you little worm. I NEVER called this a conspiracy, nor did I say that I do not believe Obama is an American. You're quick to call everything a tin-foil conspiracy without ever supporting or thinking about anything yourself. And no, those aren't conspiracy people calling this to attention either.
The nature of politics is explotation. It doesn't matter if a senator actually solicited sex in a men's restrooom, his political rivals will exploit it to win anyway. But the media is silent on this. Lawsuit after lawsuit and it's still Hush! If I were McCain and having my ass handed to me in the election I would call to question Obama's citizenship, or at least his leadership abilities for not signing ONE PAPER to stop these senseless legal assualts. In the leasts it's a drain on taxpayer money with this dragging through the courts. Not to mention the DP has to keep wasting energy responding to this.
These lawsuits aren't going to go away. In fact, what's happining is they'll get bigger and bigger profile as they move up the courts. And all anyone is asking obama to do, is sign away so that Hawaii can release a certified copy of his birth certificate.

If these bitter losers are your sources, you are in deep shit! Who next...Art Bell?

And I don't see your point about any of those stories. 2/3 of them are about this very topic, so that's not gonna win me over, obviously. But I do have an idea, want me to post some ridiculous stories from mainstream sources? I saw an amazing one today on MSNBC about how to properly give your kids an allowance.... and a kick ass one one CNN about the all new 2010 Ford Mustang.

[Neoteny]

Not to contribute to the concept that you are a crazy, Juan, but this thread is probably the best contender for a modern "Logic Dictates" thread. Anyone around from the "glory days" of that thread know that I intend that as a complement.

[black elk speaks]

... and a kick ass one one CNN about the all new 2010 Ford Mustang.

yeah, it is so efficient that it gets infinite miles to the gallon... because it will never get produced as Ford will not be around to make it.

[DaGip]

Why can't Barack Obama produce his Birth Certificate? Why can't he produce is college records as well? Hmmm? I just want to make sure that he is a US citizen before he becomes the most powerful human being on the face of the planet. I am not the only one concerned that the United States is in the midst of being infiltrated:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJc6uczdhE0

[Juan_Bottom]

Not to contribute to the concept that you are a crazy, Juan, but this thread is probably the best contender for a modern "Logic Dictates" thread. Anyone around from the "glory days" of that thread know that I intend that as a complement.

I have no idea what you just said.

Not to contribute to the concept that you are a crazy, Juan, but this thread is probably the best contender for a modern "Logic Dictates" thread.

This sounds insulting...

Anyone around from the "glory days" of that thread know that I intend that as a complement.

This sounds like a compliment. You even said compliment...

yeah, it is so efficient that it gets infinite miles to the gallon... because it will never get produced as Ford will not be around to make it.

Check out the Ford, GM, Chrysler and North America thread... I posted an article in there about the Chinese having plans to acquire the big three.... so we might see it?




Thanks DaGip, I always feel better when I have you on my side. I trust your video is revealing, and overwhelmingly stimulating.

[DaGip]

Thanks DaGip, I always feel better when I have you on my side. I trust your video is revealing, and overwhelmingly stimulating.

Ha! Pastor Manning is quite stimulating, nonetheless. I doubt that no one really cares about presidents being natural born citizens anymore...

[PopeBenXVI]

There has been way more investigating into Palin & the trooper than Obama. At least be fair, Palin was found inocent

Revisionist history. She was found guilty of ethics violations.

I'm so glad there was a "non partisan" all democrat investigation committee handling it to make sure we got all the facts.

[mpjh]

It was a committee she picked as governor.

[PopeBenXVI]

Wrong

[got tonkaed]

Wrong

maybe more right than wrong...

http://dop.state.ak.us/directorsOffice/overview

The Personnel Board, also created by the Personnel Act, is an independent agency composed of members appointed by the Governor. The Board hears complaints of Ethics Act violations brought against Executive Branch employees and disciplinary appeals from classified employees not covered by collective bargaining, approves amendments to the Personnel Rules and acts on recommendations for extensions of the partially exempt or classified services within the Executive Branch.

Personnel Board
The Personnel Board, also created by the Personnel Act, is an independent agency composed of members appointed by the Governor. The Board hears complaints of Ethics Act (AS 39.52) violations brought against Executive Branch employees and disciplinary appeals from classified employees not covered by collective bargaining, approves amendments to the Personnel Rules and acts on recommendations for extensions of the partially exempt or classified services within the Executive Branch.

relevant paragraphs posted for ease. I am not saying these people were swayed in any direction as thats not a claim i think one can make, but they are appointed positions.

Edit... it is important to note that only one of the current 3 members on that particular personnel board would have been appointed by Palin, a reappointment done earlier this year.

[PopeBenXVI]

Double Wrong

[mpjh]

Actually, triple correct.

[PopeBenXVI]

Actually, triple correct.

Nice try, no soup for you...one year.

[mpjh]

Did you all know that Obama won the election? He won with over a 7 million vote margin, more than any president since LBJ. He won with the votes of all races and all sexes. He is our next president.

[got tonkaed]

Actually, triple correct.

Nice try, no soup for you...one year.

its a pretty legitamate source, something you can get in places where information is pretty accesible. You arent actually doing any providing of information though, despite the fact that its not really required for the type of case you are presenting.

[Frigidus]

Oh, good, they got merged again. It is now very easy to follow the conversation where it left off. You know, we should probably also merge every thread with the word "Bush" in it as well, otherwise we won't be able to get the big picture.