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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby GabonX on Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:11 pm

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GabonX wrote:The man identifies his nationality as Palestinian, though he's never lived in Palestine. He has ties with radical Islamic preachers. He tried to contact al Qaeda, though it appears his attempts were unsuccessful. He is quoted as saying "I'm a Muslim first and a soldier second." Prior to the incident he held online conversations over whether or not it was morally permissible to kill innocents during a jihad.
He shouted out "God is great!" in Arabic while killing American soldiers.
Are you guys really this far removed from reality?


That he shouted "God is Great" in Arabic means nothing to me in a terroristic sense...he's still a single individual carrying out an action without being tied to a larger organization. For instance, Timothy McVeigh was tied to a larger organization...making it at least on the edge of potentially being terrorism, whereas I simply see all of this as "I'm just a crazy f*ck".

Timothy McVeigh was tied to a larger organization? My understanding was that he was rejected by a larger organization. I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at and I may not be familiar with all the elements of that case..

Hassan may or may not have been tied to a larger organization. Regardless of this, his goal was to promote fear by means of violence. Terrorism is defined by the motivation of an action, not the number of people behind it.
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:13 pm

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Phatscotty wrote:I am really astounded at you Barons bending over backwards for a terrorist that planned and followed through with a massacre. A strong society says "Off with your head, we don't tolerate massacres and we're making an example out of you" A pussy society says "Oh, what about his feelings? oh, but what kind of massacre was it?" makes me sick, and if it is you calling me an embarrassment, I will take that as a compliment


Here's your medal, now walk the street, head held HIGH! and be proud of yourself and your version of reality! Don't let the reasonable ones sway you! Don't fall to such trappings, just keep going onward! And never look back! Never question your self!

Ah, there he goes.. into the sunset, our hero: Phatscotty--preserving democracy and freedom for us all--except for whoever he deems as unfitting for such values and principles.

reasonable ones? you got to be kidding. you havent even stated anything, just a bunch of nu uhs and namecallling


Sure I have, you just forget. Besides, when someone says what I want to say, and you just ignore their statement or run away and take it someplace else, what's really the point of taking you seriously?

So for now, enjoy the medal, sir! Today, is a good day for you! Walk among us, head held HIGH, a true champion if I've ever seen one!
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:15 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:I am really astounded at you Barons bending over backwards for a terrorist that planned and followed through with a massacre. A strong society says "Off with your head, we don't tolerate massacres and we're making an example out of you" A pussy society says "Oh, what about his feelings? oh, but what kind of massacre was it?" makes me sick, and if it is you calling me an embarrassment, I will take that as a compliment


Here's your medal, now walk the street, head held HIGH! and be proud of yourself and your version of reality! Don't let the reasonable ones sway you! Don't fall to such trappings, just keep going onward! And never look back! Never question your self!

Ah, there he goes.. into the sunset, our hero: Phatscotty--preserving democracy and freedom for us all--except for whoever he deems as unfitting for such values and principles.

reasonable ones? you got to be kidding. you havent even stated anything, just a bunch of nu uhs and namecallling


Sure I have, you just forget. Besides, when someone says what I want to say, and you just ignore their statement or run away and take it someplace else, what's really the point of taking you seriously?

So for now, enjoy the medal, sir! Today, is a good day for you! Walk among us, head held HIGH, a true champion if I've ever seen one!

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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:15 pm

GabonX wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
GabonX wrote:The man identifies his nationality as Palestinian, though he's never lived in Palestine. He has ties with radical Islamic preachers. He tried to contact al Qaeda, though it appears his attempts were unsuccessful. He is quoted as saying "I'm a Muslim first and a soldier second." Prior to the incident he held online conversations over whether or not it was morally permissible to kill innocents during a jihad.
He shouted out "God is great!" in Arabic while killing American soldiers.
Are you guys really this far removed from reality?


That he shouted "God is Great" in Arabic means nothing to me in a terroristic sense...he's still a single individual carrying out an action without being tied to a larger organization. For instance, Timothy McVeigh was tied to a larger organization...making it at least on the edge of potentially being terrorism, whereas I simply see all of this as "I'm just a crazy f*ck".

Timothy McVeigh was tied to a larger organization? My understanding was that he was rejected by a larger organization. I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at and I may not be familiar with all the elements of that case..

Hassan may or may not have been tied to a larger organization. Regardless of this, his goal was to promote fear by means of violence. Terrorism is defined by the motivation of an action, not the number of people behind it.


Terrorism is much more complex of a term than just the definition you just provided, so please don't use that to support your argument.
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby GabonX on Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:22 pm

Actually it really is that simple. That's not to say that terrorists or terrorist groups cannot be complex, but the term itself is very specific.

You can look it up in any dictionary..

terā‹…rorā‹…ism
  /ˈtɛrÉ™ĖŒrÉŖzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ter-uh-riz-uhm] Show IPA
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–noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism

: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism


Any other use of the word is misuse.
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:22 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
GabonX wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
GabonX wrote:The man identifies his nationality as Palestinian, though he's never lived in Palestine. He has ties with radical Islamic preachers. He tried to contact al Qaeda, though it appears his attempts were unsuccessful. He is quoted as saying "I'm a Muslim first and a soldier second." Prior to the incident he held online conversations over whether or not it was morally permissible to kill innocents during a jihad.
He shouted out "God is great!" in Arabic while killing American soldiers.
Are you guys really this far removed from reality?


That he shouted "God is Great" in Arabic means nothing to me in a terroristic sense...he's still a single individual carrying out an action without being tied to a larger organization. For instance, Timothy McVeigh was tied to a larger organization...making it at least on the edge of potentially being terrorism, whereas I simply see all of this as "I'm just a crazy f*ck".

Timothy McVeigh was tied to a larger organization? My understanding was that he was rejected by a larger organization. I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at and I may not be familiar with all the elements of that case..

Hassan may or may not have been tied to a larger organization. Regardless of this, his goal was to promote fear by means of violence. Terrorism is defined by the motivation of an action, not the number of people behind it.


Terrorism is much more complex of a term than just the definition you just provided, so please don't use that to support your argument.

Arguing with idiots has never been more identifiable. I mean, who and thee hell lays out an argument with definitions, and facts, and reason and logic. really, comon now, that strategy is SOOO easily beaten by the "yeah well you are dumb"
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby Woodruff on Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:47 pm

GabonX wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
GabonX wrote:The man identifies his nationality as Palestinian, though he's never lived in Palestine. He has ties with radical Islamic preachers. He tried to contact al Qaeda, though it appears his attempts were unsuccessful. He is quoted as saying "I'm a Muslim first and a soldier second." Prior to the incident he held online conversations over whether or not it was morally permissible to kill innocents during a jihad.
He shouted out "God is great!" in Arabic while killing American soldiers.
Are you guys really this far removed from reality?


That he shouted "God is Great" in Arabic means nothing to me in a terroristic sense...he's still a single individual carrying out an action without being tied to a larger organization. For instance, Timothy McVeigh was tied to a larger organization...making it at least on the edge of potentially being terrorism, whereas I simply see all of this as "I'm just a crazy f*ck".

Timothy McVeigh was tied to a larger organization? My understanding was that he was rejected by a larger organization. I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at and I may not be familiar with all the elements of that case..


Timothy McVeigh and his partner in crime (whose name I can't seem to recall at the moment) were connected with an Aryan Supremacy group in Oklahoma, if I recall correctly.

GabonX wrote:Hassan may or may not have been tied to a larger organization. Regardless of this, his goal was to promote fear by means of violence. Terrorism is defined by the motivation of an action, not the number of people behind it.


By that strict definition, almost anyone can be called a terrorist. Hell, a football team could be called terroristic by that definition. The reality is that what he did was intended to cause harm, but not to cause terror of a nation. Thus, it is not terrorism.
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:50 pm

a massacre is an act of terror. you are trying to politicize the definition of a word. This should be the thread where we can call something what it is. All you guys saying this isnt terrorism, I look back and see what you say is a lot of smooth talking, half definitions and half truths. stand on the issues, you dont have to call names and get all crazy if what you beleive is true.....think about it
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby Woodruff on Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:51 pm

Phatscotty wrote:a massacre is an act of terror


Of course it is. But for something to be considered terroristic in a "danger to the nation" sense, the scope of it would have to either be or seem far larger than what is seen by an individual crazy man.
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:01 pm

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Phatscotty wrote:a massacre is an act of terror


Of course it is. But for something to be considered terroristic in a "danger to the nation" sense, the scope of it would have to either be or seem far larger than what is seen by an individual crazy man.

there is just the problem of a COUPLE parallels to the 9-11 hijackers beliefs, and you are so stuck on "it has to be larger, or conspiratorial" thats your opinion
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:06 pm

Phatscotty wrote:a massacre is an act of terror. you are trying to politicize the definition of a word. This should be the thread where we can call something what it is. All you guys saying this isnt terrorism, I look back and see what you say is a lot of smooth talking, half definitions and half truths. stand on the issues, you dont have to call names and get all crazy if what you beleive is true.....think about it


Then all those high shooters should have been charged with crimes of terrorism. Also, our interrogators can also be labeled as terrorists because many of them have engaged in "the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion."

Essentially, that is exactly what that dictionary defines their acts as; however, the United States government has a much more complex definition than the one you and Gabon provided.

Which is all the more reason why you two need to pull your heads out of each others' asses and understand how terrorism is defined in this topic.
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby GabonX on Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:08 pm

Woodruff wrote:
GabonX wrote:Hassan may or may not have been tied to a larger organization. Regardless of this, his goal was to promote fear by means of violence. Terrorism is defined by the motivation of an action, not the number of people behind it.


By that strict definition, almost anyone can be called a terrorist. Hell, a football team could be called terroristic by that definition. The reality is that what he did was intended to cause harm, but not to cause terror of a nation. Thus, it is not terrorism.

In general, I don't think that the term applies to sports. The term relates to manipulation of a population or government.

My understanding of Hassan's actions is that his actions were carried out to send a message to the United States military about their involvement with the Islamic world.
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby GabonX on Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:09 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:a massacre is an act of terror. you are trying to politicize the definition of a word. This should be the thread where we can call something what it is. All you guys saying this isnt terrorism, I look back and see what you say is a lot of smooth talking, half definitions and half truths. stand on the issues, you dont have to call names and get all crazy if what you beleive is true.....think about it


Then all those high shooters should have been charged with crimes of terrorism. Also, our interrogators can also be labeled as terrorists because many of them have engaged in "the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion."

Essentially, that is exactly what that dictionary defines their acts as; however, the United States government has a much more complex definition than the one you and Gabon provided.

Which is all the more reason why you two need to pull your heads out of each others' asses and understand how terrorism is defined in this topic.

Why don't you explain what you think terrorism is. I think you're just going to keep rejecting anything else which is said (seeing as how you have already rejected the actual DEFINITION!)
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:10 pm

Here you go:

The Definition of Terrorism

Decide for yourself whether to believe this, but according to a new report there were only 16 cases of international terrorism in the Middle East last year.

That is the lowest number for any region in the world apart from North America (where there were none at all). Europe had 30 cases - almost twice as many as the Middle East - and Latin America came top with 193.

The figures come from the US state department's annual review of global terrorism, which has just been published on the internet. Worldwide, the report says confidently, "there were 423 international terrorist attacks in 2000, an increase of 8% from the 392 attacks recorded during 1999".

No doubt a lot of painstaking effort went into counting them, but the statistics are fundamentally meaningless because, as the report points out, "no one definition of terrorism has gained universal acceptance".

That is an understatement. While most people agree that terrorism exists, few can agree on what it is. A recent book discussing attempts by the UN and other international bodies to define terrorism runs to three volumes and 1,866 pages without reaching any firm conclusion.

Using the definition preferred by the state department, terrorism is: "Premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant* targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience." (The asterisk is important, as we shall see later.)

"International" terrorism - the subject of the American report - is defined as "terrorism involving citizens or the territory of more than one country".

The key point about terrorism, on which almost everyone agrees, is that it's politically motivated. This is what distinguishes it from, say, murder or football hooliganism. But this also causes a problem for those who compile statistics because the motive is not always clear - especially if no one has claimed responsibility.

So the American report states - correctly - that there were no confirmed terrorist incidents in Saudi Arabia last year. There were, nevertheless, three unexplained bombings and one shooting incident, all directed against foreigners.

Another essential ingredient (you might think) is that terrorism is calculated to terrorise the public or a particular section of it. The American definition does not mention spreading terror at all, because that would exclude attacks against property. It is, after all, impossible to frighten an inanimate object.

Among last year's attacks, 152 were directed against a pipeline in Colombia which is owned by multinational oil companies. Such attacks are of concern to the United States and so a definition is required which allows them to be counted.

For those who accept that terrorism is about terrorising people, other questions arise. Does it include threats, as well as actual violence? A few years ago, for example, the Islamic Army in Yemen warned foreigners to leave the country if they valued their lives but did not actually carry out its threat.

More recently, a group of Israeli peace activists were arrested for driving around in a loudspeaker van, announcing a curfew of the kind that is imposed on Palestinians. Terrifying for any Israelis who believed it, but was it terrorism?

Another characteristic of terrorism, according to some people, is that targets must be random - the intention being to make everyone fear they might be the next victim. Some of the Hamas suicide bombings appear to follow this principle but when attacks are aimed at predictable targets (such as the military) they are less likely to terrorise the public at large.

Definitions usually try to distinguish between terrorism and warfare. In general this means that attacks on soldiers are warfare and those against civilians are terrorism, but the dividing lines quickly become blurred.

The state department regards attacks against "noncombatant* targets" as terrorism. But follow the asterisk to the small print and you find that "noncombatants" includes both civilians and military personnel who are unarmed or off duty at the time. Several examples are given, such as the 1986 disco bombing in Berlin, which killed two servicemen.

The most lethal bombing in the Middle East last year was the suicide attack on USS Cole in Aden harbour which killed 17 American sailors and injured 39 more.

As the ship was armed and its crew on duty at the time, why is this classified as terrorism? Look again at the small print, which adds: "We also consider as acts of terrorism attacks on military installations or on armed military personnel when a state of military hostilities does not exist at the site, such as bombings against US bases."

A similar question arises with Palestinian attacks on quasi-military targets such as Israeli settlements. Many settlers are armed (with weapons supplied by the army) and the settlements themselves - though they contain civilians - might be considered military targets because they are there to consolidate a military occupation.

If, under the state department rules, Palestinian mortar attacks on settlements count as terrorism, it would be reasonable to expect Israeli rocket attacks on Palestinian communities to be treated in the same way - but they are not. In the American definition, terrorism can never be inflicted by a state.

Israeli treatment of the Palestinians is classified as a human rights issue (for which the Israelis get a rap over the knuckles) in a separate state department report.

Denying that states can commit terrorism is generally useful, because it gets the US and its allies off the hook in a variety of situations. The disadvantage is that it might also get hostile states off the hook - which is why there has to be a list of states that are said to "sponsor" terrorism while not actually committing it themselves.

Interestingly, the American definition of terrorism is a reversal of the word's original meaning, given in the Oxford English Dictionary as "government by intimidation". Today it usually refers to intimidation of governments.

The first recorded use of "terrorism" and "terrorist" was in 1795, relating to the Reign of Terror instituted by the French government. Of course, the Jacobins, who led the government at the time, were also revolutionaries and gradually "terrorism" came to be applied to violent revolutionary activity in general. But the use of "terrorist" in an anti-government sense is not recorded until 1866 (referring to Ireland) and 1883 (referring to Russia).

In the absence of an agreed meaning, making laws against terrorism is especially difficult. The latest British anti-terrorism law gets round the problem by listing 21 international terrorist organisations by name. Membership of these is illegal in the UK.

There are six Islamic groups, four anti-Israel groups, eight separatist groups and three opposition groups. The list includes Hizbullah, which though armed, is a legal political party in Lebanon, with elected members of parliament.

Among the separatist groups, the Kurdistan Workers Party - active in Turkey - is banned, but not the KDP or PUK, which are Kurdish organisations active in Iraq. Among opposition groups, the Iranian People's Mujahedeen is banned, but not its Iraqi equivalent, the INC, which happens to be financed by the United States.

Issuing such a list does at least highlight the anomalies and inconsistencies behind anti-terrorism laws. It also points towards a simpler - and perhaps more honest - definition: terrorism is violence committed by those we disapprove of.


Note: "A recent book discussing attempts by the UN and other international bodies to define terrorism runs to three volumes and 1,866 pages without reaching any firm conclusion."
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:14 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:Here you go:



Note: "A recent book discussing attempts by the UN and other international bodies to define terrorism runs to three volumes and 1,866 pages without reaching any firm conclusion."


Thank you for pointing out exactly how huge of a problem this is. 3 volumes? that can stop you from identifying or labeling anyone a terrorist for anything, dead in its tracks. congratulations
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:16 pm

GabonX wrote:
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GabonX wrote:Hassan may or may not have been tied to a larger organization. Regardless of this, his goal was to promote fear by means of violence. Terrorism is defined by the motivation of an action, not the number of people behind it.


By that strict definition, almost anyone can be called a terrorist. Hell, a football team could be called terroristic by that definition. The reality is that what he did was intended to cause harm, but not to cause terror of a nation. Thus, it is not terrorism.

In general, I don't think that the term applies to sports. The term relates to manipulation of a population or government.

My understanding of Hassan's actions is that his actions were carried out to send a message to the United States military about their involvement with the Islamic world.


If he wanted to send a more direct message, he could've written something down then went on the shooting spree.

Based on the limited information available to us, in my opinion he's just a crazy man.
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:17 pm

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BigBallinStalin wrote:Here you go:



Note: "A recent book discussing attempts by the UN and other international bodies to define terrorism runs to three volumes and 1,866 pages without reaching any firm conclusion."


Thank you for pointing out exactly how huge of a problem this is. 3 volumes? that can stop you from identifying or labeling anyone a terrorist for anything, dead in its tracks. congratulations


Thank you for my wasting my time.
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:18 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Here you go:



Note: "A recent book discussing attempts by the UN and other international bodies to define terrorism runs to three volumes and 1,866 pages without reaching any firm conclusion."


Thank you for pointing out exactly how huge of a problem this is. 3 volumes? that can stop you from identifying or labeling anyone a terrorist for anything, dead in its tracks. congratulations


Thank you for my wasting my time.

thank you for proving my point.
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:21 pm

ballin, is the US invasion of Iraq an act of terror?
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby GabonX on Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:25 pm

That article, particularly the part which outlines the US view on terrorism, actually confirms what I've been saying.
Using the definition preferred by the state department, terrorism is: "Premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant* targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience." (The asterisk is important, as we shall see later.)

The state department regards attacks against "noncombatant* targets" as terrorism. But follow the asterisk to the small print and you find that "noncombatants" includes both civilians and military personnel who are unarmed or off duty at the time. Several examples are given, such as the 1986 disco bombing in Berlin, which killed two servicemen.

Hassan's actions fall under the category of Terrorism whether we're defining the term by the US state department standards, or the common standards of the English language.


The definition of terrorism is very simple. If you need more than a couple of lines to define....well anything really, the definition has become needlessly complicated. It's no wonder the UN couldn't come to a consensus if they have 3 volumes totaling over 1800 pages to define a simple term.

P.S. The UN is worthless and is a sham. They accomplish very little aside from wasting a great deal of resources. As a source, they're less credible than Wikipedia.
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:42 pm

Phatscotty wrote:ballin, is the US invasion of Iraq an act of terror?


Good question. It is and it isn't. This is a fun question!

It's both at the same time, would you care to explain to me why?
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:44 pm

GabonX wrote:That article, particularly the part which outlines the US view on terrorism, actually confirms what I've been saying.
Using the definition preferred by the state department, terrorism is: "Premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant* targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience." (The asterisk is important, as we shall see later.)

The state department regards attacks against "noncombatant* targets" as terrorism. But follow the asterisk to the small print and you find that "noncombatants" includes both civilians and military personnel who are unarmed or off duty at the time. Several examples are given, such as the 1986 disco bombing in Berlin, which killed two servicemen.

Hassan's actions fall under the category of Terrorism whether we're defining the term by the US state department standards, or the common standards of the English language.


The definition of terrorism is very simple. If you need more than a couple of lines to define....well anything really, the definition has become needlessly complicated. It's no wonder the UN couldn't come to a consensus if they have 3 volumes totaling over 1800 pages to define a simple term.

P.S. The UN is worthless and is a sham. They accomplish very little aside from wasting a great deal of resources. As a source, they're less credible than Wikipedia.

:lol: That's funny.

Well, Gabon, if you feel that you have proven that Hassan is actually a terrorist, would you care to explain to us why he's not be prosecuted as such?
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby GabonX on Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:47 pm

Western society is growing weak.

We have lost our sense of culture, and our common sense.
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:52 pm

GabonX wrote:Western society is growing weak.

We have lost our sense of culture, and our common sense.


Perhaps you got something there, but if that shooting spree was labeled as an act of terrorism then other such insane shooting sprees should have been as well. Right now, there's simply not enough evidence to try him as a terrorist as the law defines it (and god knows where that definition is, I'm too tired to look, so I apologize).
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Re: Politcal Correctness

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:13 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
GabonX wrote:
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GabonX wrote:Hassan may or may not have been tied to a larger organization. Regardless of this, his goal was to promote fear by means of violence. Terrorism is defined by the motivation of an action, not the number of people behind it.


By that strict definition, almost anyone can be called a terrorist. Hell, a football team could be called terroristic by that definition. The reality is that what he did was intended to cause harm, but not to cause terror of a nation. Thus, it is not terrorism.

In general, I don't think that the term applies to sports. The term relates to manipulation of a population or government.

My understanding of Hassan's actions is that his actions were carried out to send a message to the United States military about their involvement with the Islamic world.


If he wanted to send a more direct message, he could've written something down then went on the shooting spree.

Based on the limited information available to us, in my opinion he's just a crazy man.

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