I feel like a monster......

[Pedronicus]

nice ... check out that snout; lemurs have monstrous tongues too, imagine the rimmer you could get from one of those beauties

(aight, see everyone in 30 days after my ban is up - lates, gang)

You'd get an even better result if you smeared banana around your arsehole. I tried it once as a child with orangeade and ants. That didn't work out too well.

[The Bison King]

nice ... check out that snout; lemurs have monstrous tongues too, imagine the rimmer you could get from one of those beauties

(aight, see everyone in 30 days after my ban is up - lates, gang)

You'd get an even better result if you smeared banana around your arsehole. I tried it once as a child with orangeade and ants. That didn't work out too well.

Ant's in your asshole? sounds decadent.... I mean terrible...

[tkr4lf]

So, I was helping my mom in the backyard today. She has a fountain that sit's on the ground, which is hollow underneath. We were moving it onto the porch from the yard. Apparently, a rat burrowed underneath and set up a nest for it's newborn baby rats.

Now, my mom and I decided that we had to kill them, otherwise she would have a rat problem soon. So, I told her to go inside, and I grabbed a large rock. I then threw it down on top of them. I heard them sqeaking in pain and terror. So, I picked it back up and did it again, hoping to kill them quickly. I still heard more squeaks. So I picked up the rock and bashed at the pile repeatedly until I heard nothing. The poor things were in pieces.

The thing is, I can't get the image of the innocent babies just chilling there, no hair yet and their eyes not even open. Then the image of their tattered bodies and the sounds of their squeaks of pain keep haunting me. I feel like a monster. It was something that had to be done, so I "manned up" and did it, even though I didn't want to. I just can't get those images out of my head now.

So, I guess the point of this thread is to get this off my chest, and maybe to see if anybody else has had any experiences like this and has any advice for me.

They are rats. They reproduce like mad, spread disease, etc. They were introduced to this country and have no real natural enemies to control them effectively. So, we pretty much have to kill them or be overrun. I would not suggest anyone go out and maim for fun, but dwelling on this is pointless. If you worry, find a better tool to have on hand next time.

BUT, here is the other thing.. in truth, the way you killed them was more "humane" and quicker than many so-called "humane" poisons. They died in seconds, not hours. Likely, he was already dead with the first blow, even if you still saw movement.

Well, it was not one rat. It was a nest of about 6 newborn rats. That's the thing that bothered me. And, yes, a few of them died with the first blow, and I grateful for that. But, others did not, and they were squeaking in pain and terror. Even after the second blow, there was still at least one of them alive. That's when I started just bashing at the pile to kill it/them left alive as quickly as possible. And, it's not anything I'm losing sleep over, just that I feel bad for causing them pain like that.

[tkr4lf]

nice ... check out that snout; lemurs have monstrous tongues too, imagine the rimmer you could get from one of those beauties

(aight, see everyone in 30 days after my ban is up - lates, gang)

You'd get an even better result if you smeared banana around your arsehole. I tried it once as a child with orangeade and ants. That didn't work out too well.

Jesus, that doesn't sound pleasant at all!

[BigBallinStalin]

So, I was helping my mom in the backyard today. She has a fountain that sit's on the ground, which is hollow underneath. We were moving it onto the porch from the yard. Apparently, a rat burrowed underneath and set up a nest for it's newborn baby rats.

Now, my mom and I decided that we had to kill them, otherwise she would have a rat problem soon. So, I told her to go inside, and I grabbed a large rock. I then threw it down on top of them. I heard them sqeaking in pain and terror. So, I picked it back up and did it again, hoping to kill them quickly. I still heard more squeaks. So I picked up the rock and bashed at the pile repeatedly until I heard nothing. The poor things were in pieces.

The thing is, I can't get the image of the innocent babies just chilling there, no hair yet and their eyes not even open. Then the image of their tattered bodies and the sounds of their squeaks of pain keep haunting me. I feel like a monster. It was something that had to be done, so I "manned up" and did it, even though I didn't want to. I just can't get those images out of my head now.

So, I guess the point of this thread is to get this off my chest, and maybe to see if anybody else has had any experiences like this and has any advice for me.

They are rats. They reproduce like mad, spread disease, etc. They were introduced to this country and have no real natural enemies to control them effectively. So, we pretty much have to kill them or be overrun. I would not suggest anyone go out and maim for fun, but dwelling on this is pointless. If you worry, find a better tool to have on hand next time.

BUT, here is the other thing.. in truth, the way you killed them was more "humane" and quicker than many so-called "humane" poisons. They died in seconds, not hours. Likely, he was already dead with the first blow, even if you still saw movement.

Well, it was not one rat. It was a nest of about 6 newborn rats. That's the thing that bothered me. And, yes, a few of them died with the first blow, and I grateful for that. But, others did not, and they were squeaking in pain and terror. Even after the second blow, there was still at least one of them alive. That's when I started just bashing at the pile to kill it/them left alive as quickly as possible. And, it's not anything I'm losing sleep over, just that I feel bad for causing them pain like that.

I guess a career in the military or in security is not for you, sir.

[saxitoxin]

I love the process of, and bioethics of, death more than anything else. But, these days, it's difficult for me to observe it except through a personal story, which is rare to find, but we have one here. So, I'm temporarily lifting my ban to make one final, extraordinarily long-winded, comment ...

They reproduce like mad, spread disease, etc. They were introduced to this country and have no real natural enemies to control them effectively. So, we pretty much have to kill them or be overrun.

Everything in that paragraph also applies to humans.

No one has the right to destroy life simply because the continued existence of that life is a personal inconvenience to them. Even sub-human mammals only, almost without exception, destroy life exclusively for either sustenance or defense.

Anyway, I'm a dialectic atheist, however, there is a parable in Buddhism in which - as a bodhisattva, Prince Gautama finds himself on a ship where he discovers a thief planning to murder the entire crew in the middle of the night. The Buddha kills the thief, not to save the crew but to prevent the thief from accumulating the negative karma that will accumulate from a mass murder. Being in the right place to allow Gautama to learn this lesson ascended the thief to godhead. The fact that T is able to express such enunciated regret indicates the babies he slaughtered may well have been his pirate-thief. He can use the transformational power of that horror to evolve himself into a person.

Speaking as someone who did not become a person until later in life I say T has been given a very unique opportunity and he can likely achieve total moral absolution for his crime by using it to shape himself. In the vastness of humanity I would amble a guess that not even a majority of humans have yet evolved into people. And yet we also have a human like maasman who, though only 18 (if I read his profile correctly), has already - I feel safe in saying based on revelations of his manner of phrasing in his short anecdote - become a person where many of us struggle toward that goal until late in life.

T - you should sit in a quiet, dark room right before you plan on going to sleep. It's important you be sitting-up, though, and not laying down. Spend five minutes reliving exactly what you were feeling at the height of the blood orgy. Then assign a sharp-edged shape to that feeling (a square or rectangle) in your mind and imagine the shape getting smaller until you can put it into an imaginary box. This box has a grill, or latticework, or some kind of holes drilled into the side. Close the box and imagine it being placed in a shelf. You should keep the box with you for the rest of your life. It is safely tucked away but easily accessible. Anytime you reach a cusp of decision you can view the contents of the box without letting them out.

Whatever you do, though, don't take the advice of the human-animals here who suggest you shrug it off or celebrate your ability to crown yourself the angel of death of the helpless or glibly accept it as a part of the circle of life. It doesn't take any special credential but if you want to evolve into a person only a person can give you advice on how to do it.

i think i know why saxi's psychiatric license got revoked

c'mon, it was the '70's, we did things different back then... err, I mean the '80's early '90's

[PLAYER57832]

Well, it was not one rat. It was a nest of about 6 newborn rats. That's the thing that bothered me. And, yes, a few of them died with the first blow, and I grateful for that. But, others did not, and they were squeaking in pain and terror. Even after the second blow, there was still at least one of them alive. That's when I started just bashing at the pile to kill it/them left alive as quickly as possible. And, it's not anything I'm losing sleep over, just that I feel bad for causing them pain like that.

One should not revel in killing. It is something we do when necessary. You tried. In truth, you were more human than many wild animals, weather impacts, and other fully "natural" phenomena. Don't revel in it, no, but worry.. no.

[hairy potter]

that sounds pretty damn funny. if i was you i'd have been laughing my head off as those little rat babies got all squished up.

good stuff. you just made my evening.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

It doesn't take any special credential but if you want to evolve into a person only a person can give you advice on how to do it.

How did the first person evolve?

[hairy potter]

It doesn't take any special credential but if you want to evolve into a person only a person can give you advice on how to do it.

How did the first person evolve?

that person was created by god and placed in the garden of eden

[TA1LGUNN3R]

It doesn't take any special credential but if you want to evolve into a person only a person can give you advice on how to do it.

How did the first person evolve?

that person was created by god and placed in the garden of eden

lulz

[saxitoxin]

I guess a career in the military or in security is not for you, sir.

I have to make one final-final reply so that my previous final reply doesn't come across as a blanket indictment of warfighters or those occupationally entrusted with the levers of state violence.

Perhaps someone with a more western perspective can clarify if there is a dichotomy of tactic, however, in the DDR National People's Army the ideated goal of battlecraft was not to kill the enemy but to disable him. A wounded enemy combatant neutralizes up to three total of the enemy (the wounded plus two of his comrades to remove him from the combat zone). A dead enemy combatant neutralizes one of the enemy.

I believe most law-abiding armies in civilised nations operate on a similar combat ethos. (So perhaps not the Canadian Army.)

[stahrgazer]

So, I guess the point of this thread is to get this off my chest, and maybe to see if anybody else has had any experiences like this and has any advice for me.

Rent and watch "Willard" and you may not mind so much.

[saxitoxin]

It doesn't take any special credential but if you want to evolve into a person only a person can give you advice on how to do it.

How did the first person evolve?

What I think you are asking is how a human evolved into a person in the absence of counsel of another person?

If that's correct, let me answer your question with a question. Would you have eventually learned how to wipe your arse if your mother didn't teach you? Hopefully. Would it have been a messier process? Probably.

[HapSmo19]

[TA1LGUNN3R]

It doesn't take any special credential but if you want to evolve into a person only a person can give you advice on how to do it.

How did the first person evolve?

What I think you are asking is how a human evolved into a person in the absence of counsel of another person?

If that's correct, let me answer your question with a question. Would you have eventually learned how to wipe your arse if your mother didn't teach you? Hopefully. Would it have been a messier process? Probably.

I would think, especially from your own postings, that achieving so-called "personhood" would be considerably more difficult to do than wiping my ass. They hardly relate. Unless you think that metaphysical "enlightenment" and cleaning feces from your rear is similar.

[BigBallinStalin]

I guess a career in the military or in security is not for you, sir.

I have to make one final-final reply so that my previous final reply doesn't come across as a blanket indictment of warfighters or those occupationally entrusted with the levers of state violence.

I didn't intend for my statement to imply such an indictment of warfighters and what not.

Perhaps someone with a more western perspective can clarify if there is a dichotomy of tactic, however, in the DDR National People's Army the ideated goal of battlecraft was not to kill the enemy but to disable him. A wounded enemy combatant neutralizes up to three total of the enemy (the wounded plus two of his comrades to remove him from the combat zone). A dead enemy combatant neutralizes one of the enemy.

The USA switched to the .223 because of the chances of that bullet delivering a wounding blow was higher than the higher calibers. However, Mother Russia and many of her former friends stuck with the 7.26 (if I recall correctly) which has a higher chance of outright killing someone instead of wounding.

Eventually Russia dropped the bigger calibers, and switched with the smaller.

I'd say regarding just the use of calibers, that pretty much all states that can afford the switch will go with bullets that tend to wound more combatants in order to neutralize more of the enemy. Based on that, there's no dichotomy, but I'm leaving plenty of room for debate.

[saxitoxin]

I would think, especially from your own postings, that achieving so-called "personhood" would be considerably more difficult to do than wiping my ass.

Yes, I would imagine you're correct.

I guess a career in the military or in security is not for you, sir.

I have to make one final-final reply so that my previous final reply doesn't come across as a blanket indictment of warfighters or those occupationally entrusted with the levers of state violence.

I didn't intend for my statement to imply such an indictment of warfighters and what not.

Perhaps someone with a more western perspective can clarify if there is a dichotomy of tactic, however, in the DDR National People's Army the ideated goal of battlecraft was not to kill the enemy but to disable him. A wounded enemy combatant neutralizes up to three total of the enemy (the wounded plus two of his comrades to remove him from the combat zone). A dead enemy combatant neutralizes one of the enemy.

The USA switched to the .223 because of the chances of that bullet delivering a wounding blow was higher than the higher calibers. However, Mother Russia and many of her former friends stuck with the 7.26 (if I recall correctly) which has a higher chance of outright killing someone instead of wounding.

Eventually Russia dropped the bigger calibers, and switched with the smaller.

I'd say regarding just the use of calibers, that pretty much all states that can afford the switch will go with bullets that tend to wound more combatants in order to neutralize more of the enemy. Based on that, there's no dichotomy, but I'm leaving plenty of room for debate.

Yes, I would imagine you're correct.

[HapSmo19]

The USA switched to the .223 because of the chances of that bullet delivering a wounding blow was higher than the higher calibers. However, Mother Russia and many of her former friends stuck with the 7.26 (if I recall correctly) which has a higher chance of outright killing someone instead of wounding.

Actually, Stoner's design traded the brute force of the .30cal/7.62 round for the accuracy and high muzzle velocity of the .223 as well as enabling the soldier to carry twice as much ammo as before. I'm pretty sure it had nothing to do with being nice.

[saxitoxin]

I'm pretty sure it had nothing to do with being nice.

There's a linguistic gap-of-comprehension between human-animals and human-people that makes discussion almost useless. This is the genesis of many of the world's problems.

I love pineapple but there's no point in sharing it with you if you're just going to bite into the shell and break all your teeth. You'll walk away frustrated and toothless, forever soured to the idea of pineapple.

For now, I think, it's best if you don't know pineapples exist.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Saxitoxin-

I recently came across a book which I found interesting, but haven't had a chance to read it yet. Since it seems to be closely related to what you were saying, I thought I'd ask your opinion. If you've read it of course.

The Moral Landscape: How Science Can Determine Human Values by Sam Harris

I read the Q&A and it seemed pretty fascinating. I liked his answer to the question of why its taboo for a scientist to address morality.

Anyways it appeared on my suggestion list and I thought I'd get it, and you seemed the most qualified to ask an opinion of.

[tkr4lf]

that sounds pretty damn funny. if i was you i'd have been laughing my head off as those little rat babies got all squished up.

good stuff. you just made my evening.

Please, don't ever respond to any post I ever make again. You as a human being disgust me. Haven't I seen posts of your's that claim that you are a christian. The word christian means "Christ-like." I see you as about the farthest thing from Christ that one could get. It is people like you that drove me away from organized religion. It is people like you that make me down right hostile towards christianity and christians in general. It is people like you that make me a misanthrope. I sincerely hope you die soon. So that maybe you can meet your maker, and he can say to you, "Begone, I do not know you child." See you in hell, you fucking piece of shit troll.

[porkenbeans]

Saxitoxin-

I recently came across a book which I found interesting, but haven't had a chance to read it yet. Since it seems to be closely related to what you were saying, I thought I'd ask your opinion. If you've read it of course.

The Moral Landscape: How Science Can Determine Human Values by Sam Harris

I read the Q&A and it seemed pretty fascinating. I liked his answer to the question of why its taboo for a scientist to address morality.

Anyways it appeared on my suggestion list and I thought I'd get it, and you seemed the most qualified to ask an opinion of.

I am also reminded of a book.
Mine Komf, (or how ever it is spelled). Hitler seems to agree with everything that I have herd you shit out of your mouth.

You are a prime example saxi, of why we should not school retards, past High School. Your knowledge is better than most, but your underdeveloped sense of reasoning, is a dangerous thing, and can lead other dimwitted people, to believe that they are superior human beings. When the real truth is, you are less, (not more) evolved, than the rest of us.

[tkr4lf]

So, I was helping my mom in the backyard today. She has a fountain that sit's on the ground, which is hollow underneath. We were moving it onto the porch from the yard. Apparently, a rat burrowed underneath and set up a nest for it's newborn baby rats.

Now, my mom and I decided that we had to kill them, otherwise she would have a rat problem soon. So, I told her to go inside, and I grabbed a large rock. I then threw it down on top of them. I heard them sqeaking in pain and terror. So, I picked it back up and did it again, hoping to kill them quickly. I still heard more squeaks. So I picked up the rock and bashed at the pile repeatedly until I heard nothing. The poor things were in pieces.

The thing is, I can't get the image of the innocent babies just chilling there, no hair yet and their eyes not even open. Then the image of their tattered bodies and the sounds of their squeaks of pain keep haunting me. I feel like a monster. It was something that had to be done, so I "manned up" and did it, even though I didn't want to. I just can't get those images out of my head now.

So, I guess the point of this thread is to get this off my chest, and maybe to see if anybody else has had any experiences like this and has any advice for me.

They are rats. They reproduce like mad, spread disease, etc. They were introduced to this country and have no real natural enemies to control them effectively. So, we pretty much have to kill them or be overrun. I would not suggest anyone go out and maim for fun, but dwelling on this is pointless. If you worry, find a better tool to have on hand next time.

BUT, here is the other thing.. in truth, the way you killed them was more "humane" and quicker than many so-called "humane" poisons. They died in seconds, not hours. Likely, he was already dead with the first blow, even if you still saw movement.

Well, it was not one rat. It was a nest of about 6 newborn rats. That's the thing that bothered me. And, yes, a few of them died with the first blow, and I grateful for that. But, others did not, and they were squeaking in pain and terror. Even after the second blow, there was still at least one of them alive. That's when I started just bashing at the pile to kill it/them left alive as quickly as possible. And, it's not anything I'm losing sleep over, just that I feel bad for causing them pain like that.

I guess a career in the military or in security is not for you, sir.

You would probably guess right. After all, I am going to go into the field of psychology. I am more about helping people. Although, with my misanthropic/nihilistic outlook, there is a chance that killing certain humans would not bother me as much as this situation. Humans can look after themselves. Humans have intellect, reasoning and opposing thumbs. Baby rats do not have any of these things. They were completely helpless against me. And for that I feel terrible. However, people, especially in a war type setting, are not helpless against me. So, killing them, especially in a war setting, would not bother me so much.

[tkr4lf]

Saxitoxin-

I recently came across a book which I found interesting, but haven't had a chance to read it yet. Since it seems to be closely related to what you were saying, I thought I'd ask your opinion. If you've read it of course.

The Moral Landscape: How Science Can Determine Human Values by Sam Harris

I read the Q&A and it seemed pretty fascinating. I liked his answer to the question of why its taboo for a scientist to address morality.

Anyways it appeared on my suggestion list and I thought I'd get it, and you seemed the most qualified to ask an opinion of.

I am also reminded of a book.
Mine Komf, (or how ever it is spelled). Hitler seems to agree with everything that I have herd you shit out of your mouth.

You are a prime example saxi, of why we should not school retards, past High School. Your knowledge is better than most, but your underdeveloped sense of reasoning, is a dangerous thing, and can lead other dimwitted people, to believe that they are superior human beings. When the real truth is, you are less, (not more) evolved, than the rest of us.

I do not agree with you here. I see absolutely no similarities between Saxi and Hitler. Saxi may have different views than most, but that just means he thinks about things and forms his own thoughts/opinions/beliefs, which is something I can respect more than falling back on the whole "you are just like hitler" thing. Sounds like some Fox News crap to me.