Equality

[Phatscotty]

sure the increases are. But there are 10 other categories of reasons full of thousands of other reasons as well.

Pretending it's denial rather than increasing the scope of knowledge and then blaming all our problem on that incorrect conclusion is also why we are in trouble today.

Exactly.

Anything that stops growing........stops growing. and?

Sustainability and actually paying attention to environmental and human consequences...be it recognizing that even the lowest stockperson at Walmart needs to eat and have a reasonable place to live or accepting that we cannot just keep throwing out whatever chemicals folks wish to invent and pretend that if there are no consequences found in a year (even less sometimes), then its perfectly OK to sell them. Pretending that things that help the big corporations increas profits actually mean more jobs for folks here in the US, more than say, giivng poor people money to spend... etc.

Some folks making more than others is OK. Some folks making 10,000, even 1,000 times as much as others (never mind more) is a very unbalanced and unequitable, unjust society.

The lower stock person at Walmart DOES eat and have a place to live. Where do you come up with this shit?

what about people who worked 1,000 times harder or 10,00 hours more than than others? It's not about the gap in financial results of work, it's about the gaps between hard work, effort, loyalty, morality, laziness and ambition, faith, freedom, and liberty. As people work less hours or none at all, of course they are going to have less money. That is no reason to focus on the opposite, the people who work 70 hours a week and try to rob them.

Robin Hood did not steal from the rich and give to the poor, he stole from the TAX COLLECTOR and gave back to the people THEIR OWN MONEY.

[PLAYER57832]

sure the increases are. But there are 10 other categories of reasons full of thousands of other reasons as well.

Pretending it's denial rather than increasing the scope of knowledge and then blaming all our problem on that incorrect conclusion is also why we are in trouble today.

Exactly.

Anything that stops growing........stops growing. and?

Sustainability and actually paying attention to environmental and human consequences...be it recognizing that even the lowest stockperson at Walmart needs to eat and have a reasonable place to live or accepting that we cannot just keep throwing out whatever chemicals folks wish to invent and pretend that if there are no consequences found in a year (even less sometimes), then its perfectly OK to sell them. Pretending that things that help the big corporations increas profits actually mean more jobs for folks here in the US, more than say, giivng poor people money to spend... etc.

Some folks making more than others is OK. Some folks making 10,000, even 1,000 times as much as others (never mind more) is a very unbalanced and unequitable, unjust society.

The lower stock person at Walmart DOES eat and have a place to live. Where do you come up with this shit?

Because our taxes support him or he is otherwise supported (parents, spouse). Not becuase Walmart pays him a decent wage.

what about people who worked 1,000 times harder or 10,00 hours more than than others?

Those would be the people who are NOT getting paid well. Note, I understand that most CEOs, even actors, etc do work hard. They don't work 1000 times more or contribute 1000 times more to society.

It's not about the gap in financial results of work, it's about the gaps between hard work, effort, loyalty, morality, laziness and ambition, faith, freedom, and liberty. As people work less hours or none at all, of course they are going to have less money. That is no reason to focus on the opposite, the people who work 70 hours a week and try to rob them.

Then why do you keep focusing on the opposite. You have apparently bought into the idea that hard work gets rewarded. In the real world, it does not.. not often, anyway. No one works harder than my husband. I myself literally got fired from a job because I worked too hard -- was "showing the guys up". Etc. Life is not what you want to pretend.

Robin Hood did not steal from the rich and give to the poor, he stole from the TAX COLLECTOR and gave back to the people THEIR OWN MONEY.

He stole from the people who were taking more than their due from others. Exactly as I am saying needs to happen. I am not even saying we can or should have true equality. I am not a communist.

[Phatscotty]

sure the increases are. But there are 10 other categories of reasons full of thousands of other reasons as well.

Pretending it's denial rather than increasing the scope of knowledge and then blaming all our problem on that incorrect conclusion is also why we are in trouble today.

Exactly.

Anything that stops growing........stops growing. and?

Sustainability and actually paying attention to environmental and human consequences...be it recognizing that even the lowest stockperson at Walmart needs to eat and have a reasonable place to live or accepting that we cannot just keep throwing out whatever chemicals folks wish to invent and pretend that if there are no consequences found in a year (even less sometimes), then its perfectly OK to sell them. Pretending that things that help the big corporations increas profits actually mean more jobs for folks here in the US, more than say, giivng poor people money to spend... etc.

Some folks making more than others is OK. Some folks making 10,000, even 1,000 times as much as others (never mind more) is a very unbalanced and unequitable, unjust society.

The lower stock person at Walmart DOES eat and have a place to live. Where do you come up with this shit?

Because our taxes support him or he is otherwise supported (parents, spouse). Not becuase Walmart pays him a decent wage.

I was a stocker at Walmart for a year and a half as a third job. You are completely full of shit on this one.

what about people who worked 1,000 times harder or 10,00 hours more than than others?

Those would be the people who are NOT getting paid well. Note, I understand that most CEOs, even actors, etc do work hard. They don't work 1000 times more or contribute 1000 times more to society.

If you are talking about people with no skills, then yes you are right, in a completely unrelated kind of way. For example, you have a very low chance to succeed in this country.....if you cannot speak a lick of this countries language. And yes you are going to work lots more hours,and I can only guess that someone like that risked their life to get to this country only because there was no opportunity to earn a wage at all where they came from.

If you are talking about people who worked to pay their own way through college (LEARNED/EARNED SKILLS) and worked 70 hours a week with no pay(yes that is less pay than even the Walmart Stocker) to start a business built on a dream and then makes it work and created a market and many jobs along with it, then you are wrong.

It's not about the gap in financial results of work, it's about the gaps between hard work, effort, loyalty, morality, laziness and ambition, faith, freedom, and liberty. As people work less hours or none at all, of course they are going to have less money. That is no reason to focus on the opposite, the people who work 70 hours a week and try to rob them.

Then why do you keep focusing on the opposite. You have apparently bought into the idea that hard work gets rewarded. In the real world, it does not.. not often, anyway. No one works harder than my husband. I myself literally got fired from a job because I worked too hard -- was "showing the guys up". Etc. Life is not what you want to pretend.

Hard work does get rewarded. Not 100% of the time, but if you work hard you increase your odds to be successful. I assume your argument completely disregards the bad decisions people might make with their money, such as alcoholsim, gambling, drugs, borrowing to purchase stuff you can't afford and don't need at very high interest rates....

Robin Hood did not steal from the rich and give to the poor, he stole from the TAX COLLECTOR and gave back to the people THEIR OWN MONEY.

He stole from the people who were taking more than their due from others. Exactly as I am saying needs to happen. I am not even saying we can or should have true equality. I am not a communist.

He stole from the TAX COLLECTOR AND THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[PLAYER57832]

He stole from the TAX COLLECTOR AND THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

So? Because the fictional character Robin hood did it has to be among the worst justifications for what we should do ever. (and anyway, it depends on which form of the legend to which you refer).

[Night Strike]

He stole from the TAX COLLECTOR AND THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

So? Because the fictional character Robin hood did it has to be among the worst justifications for what we should do ever. (and anyway, it depends on which form of the legend to which you refer).

What's worse, basing your economic plan on a fictional character or on models that have demonstrably failed in the real world (communism and socialism)?

[BigBallinStalin]

Gentlemen, how goes the fight for Liberty?

[Phatscotty]

He stole from the TAX COLLECTOR AND THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

So? Because the fictional character Robin hood did it has to be among the worst justifications for what we should do ever. (and anyway, it depends on which form of the legend to which you refer).

And Robin Hood is not my justification, it's just my correction of the atrocious perversion that Robin Hood "took from the rich and gave to the poor."

Robin Hood took the money from the government, and gave it back to the people the government stole it from. It was the peoples money and it was returned back to the people who earned it.

[PLAYER57832]

He stole from the TAX COLLECTOR AND THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

So? Because the fictional character Robin hood did it has to be among the worst justifications for what we should do ever. (and anyway, it depends on which form of the legend to which you refer).

What's worse, basing your economic plan on a fictional character or on models that have demonstrably failed in the real world (communism and socialism)?

#1 who is promoting either of those (as you have described them, anyway?) Not I.

#2. Socialism is no more a failure than capitalism. In fact, more societies have failed because of unrestrained capitalism than from failures of socialism.

[PLAYER57832]

He stole from the TAX COLLECTOR AND THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

So? Because the fictional character Robin hood did it has to be among the worst justifications for what we should do ever. (and anyway, it depends on which form of the legend to which you refer).

And Robin Hood is not my justification, it's just my correction of the atrocious perversion that Robin Hood "took from the rich and gave to the poor."

Robin Hood took the money from the government, and gave it back to the people the government stole it from. It was the peoples money and it was returned back to the people who earned it.

Except, you were the one making the quote, not I.. so the correction is of what you said, not the reverse.

[Lootifer]

He stole from the TAX COLLECTOR AND THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Interesting that you would miss the main theme of Robin Hood and pervert it to your agenda...

[Lootifer]

Bump for latest information out of OECD.

Note that OECD info is about equality of results, and yes is dealing with the gap rather than absolute increases in wealth.

I still find it somewhat alarming. In a balanced economy growth should be fairly uniform accross all sectors.

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/40/12/49170449.pdf