FREE BBS!!!

[Phatscotty]

Seriously?Do you honestly think they are remotely comprable?People die horrible painful deaths with cancer,religious belief is just opinion/speculation about the ultimate questions that may be unanswerable anyway.I'm lost for words to fully describe my contempt for such a twisted view.

aren't you one of the guys who talks about how many people religion kills?

And I am the one that reminds them that 20th Century Socialism/Communism has killed more people than all religious wars combined since the beginning of time

All in the name of "Progress", of course

[Haggis_McMutton]

Seriously?Do you honestly think they are remotely comprable?People die horrible painful deaths with cancer,religious belief is just opinion/speculation about the ultimate questions that may be unanswerable anyway.I'm lost for words to fully describe my contempt for such a twisted view.

aren't you one of the guys who talks about how many people religion kills?

And I am the one that reminds them that 20th Century Socialism/Communism has killed more people than all religious wars combined since the beginning of time

All in the name of "Progress", of course

See, this is how refined trolling is done.
Much more likely to get under someone's skin than directly insulting them and with virtually zero risk of getting banned.

Still, a bit too basic for my taste, could use a little more flair.
Very solid effort all in all. 8.5/10

[nietzsche]

Seriously?Do you honestly think they are remotely comprable?People die horrible painful deaths with cancer,religious belief is just opinion/speculation about the ultimate questions that may be unanswerable anyway.I'm lost for words to fully describe my contempt for such a twisted view.

aren't you one of the guys who talks about how many people religion kills?

And I am the one that reminds them that 20th Century Socialism/Communism has killed more people than all religious wars combined since the beginning of time

All in the name of "Progress", of course

See, this is how refined trolling is done.
Much more likely to get under someone's skin than directly insulting them and with virtually zero risk of getting banned.

Still, a bit too basic for my taste, could use a little more flair.
Very solid effort all in all. 8.5/10

Hey, give him a break, he's progressing, it took him 6 pages of posts this time of lurking until he saw an opening to turn this into politics.

Can you imagine all the effort he had make to stop himself after reading and reading the thread until he was finally able to jump in with the same shit as always?

Also, he didn't post a tea party video this time.

[Woodruff]

This thead is hilarious.
So far 4 pages and 22 people have voted in the poll.
If I was BBS I'd think "hey, I'm famous, this ban was worth it!"
You mods are sooooooooooo stupid...
Point is I'm sure he's glad he got banned and got such public exposure, it was worth it..

Nobody knew about BBS before his ban? I'm not sure I follow your logic.

[Woodruff]

Do I think it was a bannable offense?

Hell, if I can get a ban for telling Phatscotty that he's so dense that light bends around him, then I can't see why this one wouldn't.

[Woodruff]

I think the points are whether there is a normal level of what is offensive to the average person in this forum. Is the denigration of religion generally offensive to the average person? Is the suggestion of death by cancer generally offensive to the average person?

Or, alternatively, do we care more about whether any single person takes offense to a particular statement. Is the denigration of religion offensive to one person and that person only? Is the suggestion of death by cancer offensive to one person and that person only?

And, depending on each alternative, how does CC discipline the offender? Does CC discipline the person that offended one and only one person? Does CC discipline the person that offended a multitude of people?

In this instance, I suspect that CC disciplined BBS for flaming and baiting, both of which are offenses against one person (generally) and against one person specifically in this instance (Symmetry). It doesn't matter to CC whether everyone else finds it offensive or not, but I'm sure the fact that others found it offensive led there to be less of an outcry than if, for example, BBS had told Symmetry to f*ck off (which would have been an "acceptable flame").

well spoken, and a point to which I can but agree

I'm not sure how this utilitarian view of the forums is really relevant to the discussion at hand. I think we all realize why BBS was banned: because he was in the minority in his views. His particular form of bullying, if you even want to call it that, was not considered politically correct by the majority of viewers.
I've seen some serious bullying/flaming/baiting go on on these forums but nothing was done about it because the subject was not considered "sensitive" by the majority. The question is whether or not a utilitarian method is really a good one, especially if it involves hypocritical measures.

Bannings in these fora have VERY LITTLE to do with what the public thinks. In fact, I would say it amounts to "none". Otherwise, pimpdave wouldn't have lasted as long as he did. Hell, for that matter, neither would I, as I don't seem to be particular popular either. Bannings in these fora come down to moderator discretion, which basically means "you better hope the moderator looking at the issue is on your side".

[Phatscotty]

Seriously?Do you honestly think they are remotely comprable?People die horrible painful deaths with cancer,religious belief is just opinion/speculation about the ultimate questions that may be unanswerable anyway.I'm lost for words to fully describe my contempt for such a twisted view.

aren't you one of the guys who talks about how many people religion kills?

And I am the one that reminds them that 20th Century Socialism/Communism has killed more people than all religious wars combined since the beginning of time

All in the name of "Progress", of course

See, this is how refined trolling is done.
Much more likely to get under someone's skin than directly insulting them and with virtually zero risk of getting banned.

Still, a bit too basic for my taste, could use a little more flair.
Very solid effort all in all. 8.5/10

I'm just stating the history that many religion haters like to ignore. It's not about politics, still about religion, or lack there of. Communist was meant in a way that is anti-God/anti-Church, for the purposes of this discussion.

[notyou2]

What are the chances cancer will get BBS before his return?

[Woodruff]

Seriously?Do you honestly think they are remotely comprable?People die horrible painful deaths with cancer,religious belief is just opinion/speculation about the ultimate questions that may be unanswerable anyway.I'm lost for words to fully describe my contempt for such a twisted view.

aren't you one of the guys who talks about how many people religion kills?

And I am the one that reminds them that 20th Century Socialism/Communism has killed more people than all religious wars combined since the beginning of time

You're also the one that keeps trying to combine socialism with communism, because you know that just talking about socialism wouldn't support the point you're trying to make.

All in the name of "Progress", of course

All in the name of "Deception", of course.

[fadedpsychosis]

What are the chances cancer will get BBS before his return?

about as good as yours, affected of course by diet, exercise, and smoking habits (not to mention genetics). these things usually exhibit symptoms before killing though, and they would likely have shown by now if it were to kill him before he returns. I can provide links if you'd like.

[thegreekdog]

I don't agree that BBS was banned because he was in the minority in his view. He was banned because he flamed or baited one user. It did not affect any other people in any meaningful way.

I see your point and I agree with you that it was these facts that ultimately made the decision, at least technically, a legitimate one. But the title and poll being directed specifically at symm are more or less a technicality aren't they? This could very well happen in the midst of an already active thread. Usually when baiting and flaming happens the thread gets locked and end of story. The fact that BBS got banned seems to suggest there is more going on than meets the eye. My opinion is that while the flaming/baiting acts as a good cover for a ban, BBS was being punished for "crossing a line". Maybe sacrificial lamb is a stretch but it's not an entirely ridiculous idea.
I also think it may be a bit naive to say that no one else other than symm was affected in a meaningful way, judging by some of the responses. How was the mod who ended up banning him affected? Hard telling not knowing.

A line was definitely crossed, but most, if not all, of us can understand that a line was crossed.

[Funkyterrance]

A line was definitely crossed, but most, if not all, of us can understand that a line was crossed.

I'm not questioning whether or not a line was crossed, I'm questioning whose line was crossed and why their line holds more value than say... Mr. Minority?

I've just got a quick scenario:

A group of people are all out eating at a restaurant and when it becomes apparent that one of the people happens to be of a faith that doesn't eat pork and therefore passes on a dish. Another person shouts out: "You don't eat pork? That's ridiculous!". Was it in bad taste? Was a line crossed? I suppose it all depends on the crowd.

[72o]

Did that mock thread poster get banned too?

[Woodruff]

A line was definitely crossed, but most, if not all, of us can understand that a line was crossed.

I'm not questioning whether or not a line was crossed, I'm questioning whose line was crossed and why their line holds more value than say... Mr. Minority?

I've just got a quick scenario:

A group of people are all out eating at a restaurant and when it becomes apparent that one of the people happens to be of a faith that doesn't eat pork and therefore passes on a dish. Another person shouts out: "You don't eat pork? That's ridiculous!". Was it in bad taste? Was a line crossed? I suppose it all depends on the crowd.

That's a really horrible analogy, to be honest. Aside from that, I'm not really sure there are too many people here who DON'T think BBS' thread in question was in bad taste. I don't think it really depends on the crowd, in this case.

[Funkyterrance]

A line was definitely crossed, but most, if not all, of us can understand that a line was crossed.

I'm not questioning whether or not a line was crossed, I'm questioning whose line was crossed and why their line holds more value than say... Mr. Minority?

I've just got a quick scenario:

A group of people are all out eating at a restaurant and when it becomes apparent that one of the people happens to be of a faith that doesn't eat pork and therefore passes on a dish. Another person shouts out: "You don't eat pork? That's ridiculous!". Was it in bad taste? Was a line crossed? I suppose it all depends on the crowd.

That's a really horrible analogy, to be honest.

Its not an analogy, Woodruff. It's a thought exercise.

[Woodruff]

A line was definitely crossed, but most, if not all, of us can understand that a line was crossed.

I'm not questioning whether or not a line was crossed, I'm questioning whose line was crossed and why their line holds more value than say... Mr. Minority?

I've just got a quick scenario:

A group of people are all out eating at a restaurant and when it becomes apparent that one of the people happens to be of a faith that doesn't eat pork and therefore passes on a dish. Another person shouts out: "You don't eat pork? That's ridiculous!". Was it in bad taste? Was a line crossed? I suppose it all depends on the crowd.

That's a really horrible analogy, to be honest.

Its not an analogy, Woodruff. It's a thought exercise.

That's a really horrible thought exercise, to be honest.

[Funkyterrance]

That's a really horrible thought exercise, to be honest.

Did you even try?
Meh, your loss.

[Woodruff]

That's a really horrible thought exercise, to be honest.

Did you even try?
Meh, your loss.

I did. Did you even read my response to it?

[Funkyterrance]

That's a really horrible thought exercise, to be honest.

Did you even try?
Meh, your loss.

I did. Did you even read my response to it?

Ok Woodruff, stating an opinion about something doesn't give any actual evidence that you've considered it. Opinions are, logically speaking, worthless. Would Spock, your role model, have submitted such an insubstantial post?

[Woodruff]

That's a really horrible thought exercise, to be honest.

Did you even try?
Meh, your loss.

I did. Did you even read my response to it?

Ok Woodruff, stating an opinion about something doesn't give any actual evidence that you've considered it. Opinions are, logically speaking, worthless. Would Spock, your role model, have submitted such an insubstantial post?

1. So your answer to my question is "no", then.
2. Spock would put the effort into it that it deserved. Which I did.

[muy_thaiguy]

So, something about BBS porking this Funkyterrance guy and getting banned for it or what?

[Haggis_McMutton]

I've just got a quick scenario:

A group of people are all out eating at a restaurant and when it becomes apparent that one of the people happens to be of a faith that doesn't eat pork and therefore passes on a dish. Another person shouts out: "You don't eat pork? That's ridiculous!". Was it in bad taste? Was a line crossed? I suppose it all depends on the crowd.

You do realize the social contract when ar a restaurant (where the purpose is supposedly to have a meal and pleasant light conversation) is very different from when on a discussion forum( where the purpose is supposedly to ... discuss stuff). Right ?

Also, where exactly are you going with this? You claiming all things that could possibly offend someone should be treated the same? Anything could offend someone, so that doesn't really work.
Or have you just now realized that laws and morality are largely arbitrary? Cause yeah, they are. And on discussion forums the arbitrary laws are usually that discussing things is generally ok. Excessive bullying, baiting, and so on are generally not ok.

[Funkyterrance]

I've just got a quick scenario:

A group of people are all out eating at a restaurant and when it becomes apparent that one of the people happens to be of a faith that doesn't eat pork and therefore passes on a dish. Another person shouts out: "You don't eat pork? That's ridiculous!". Was it in bad taste? Was a line crossed? I suppose it all depends on the crowd.

You do realize the social contract when ar a restaurant (where the purpose is supposedly to have a meal and pleasant light conversation) is very different from when on a discussion forum( where the purpose is supposedly to ... discuss stuff). Right ?

Also, where exactly are you going with this? You claiming all things that could possibly offend someone should be treated the same? Anything could offend someone, so that doesn't really work.
Or have you just now realized that laws and morality are largely arbitrary? Cause yeah, they are. And on discussion forums the arbitrary laws are usually that discussing things is generally ok. Excessive bullying, baiting, and so on are generally not ok.

Well, its been established that it was intended as a thought exercise, nothing more. It could be a business luncheon for all we know. You are filling in blanks that were not part of my original post. I'm not going anywhere with it for the time being.
It also sounds as if you are missing other provided information so either you haven't read the whole thread or you are ignoring parts intentionally. Either way, not really productive. I would go on but the questions you are asking have already been answered so I don't see why should I repeat them? I'm not heading down a slippery slope with you, either. Sorry.

[Funkyterrance]

So, something about BBS porking this Funkyterrance guy and getting banned for it or what?

Yup that's exactly it. As you were, thaiguy.

[muy_thaiguy]

So, something about BBS porking this Funkyterrance guy and getting banned for it or what?

Yup that's exactly it. As you were, thaiguy.

Please, call me muy or MTG.