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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby riskllama on Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:54 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:
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riskllama wrote:only person YELLING in here is YOU, jp - try to keep it cogers, pls.


Looks like you've persuaded him to switch from block caps to bold text. Good job, llama.


It appears that two of the frequent posters and trolls cannot distinguish between BOLD, CAPS (YELLING), and larger font size.

Well done; you two keep showing your stoooopidity. Try some more intelligent posts, llama-ralf.

In the meantime, I will continue to ignore most of the nonsense that you two joyless egotists post.


stop yelling, jp - there is no need for it. if you are finding it difficult to avoid, perhaps you should consider taking a brief(or long) sabbatical from this place for a while. seems like it might do you some good... O:)
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby jusplay4fun on Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:09 pm

Interesting: We are told that President Joe Biden is NOT to blame for the INFLATION TODAY, but President Biden's Administration takes credit for drop in prices for July (on Twitter):

The White House
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Planning a cookout this year? Ketchup on the news. According to the Farm Bureau, the cost of a 4th of July BBQ is down from last year. It’s a fact you must-hear(d). Hot dog, the Biden economic plan is working. And that’s something we can all relish.

https://twitter.com/whitehouse/status/1410709115333234691

The White House social media team set off some fireworks it didn’t want Thursday when it attempted to counter inflation fears by claiming Americans will enjoy cheaper Independence Day parties this year.

“Planning a cookout this year?” the groan-worthy tweet began. “Ketchup on the news. According to the Farm Bureau, the cost of a 4th of July BBQ is down from last year. It’s a fact you must-hear(d). Hot dog, the Biden economic plan is working. And that’s something we can all relish.”

The tweet was accompanied by a GIF laying out the price change for select food items. Among them: the cost of two pounds of ground beef is down 8 percent on last year, the price of a pound of sliced cheese and a 13-ounce bag of potato chips are both down 1 percent, and the cost of a half-gallon of vanilla ice cream is down 5 percent from 2020.

The savings for the whole meal: 16 cents.


https://nypost.com/2021/07/01/white-house-mocked-for-pun-filled-tweet-claiming-cheaper-july-4-cookout/

BUT President Biden and his Team are not to blame for Thanksgiving prices UP LOTS 4 months LATER? How can that be????

This Year’s Thanksgiving Feast Will Wallop the Wallet
Nearly every ingredient, from the turkey to the after-dinner coffee, is expected to cost more, for a host of reasons.
There is no single culprit. The nation’s food supply has been battered by a knotted supply chain, high transportation expenses, labor shortages, trade policies and bad weather. Inflation is at play, too. In September, the Consumer Price Index for food was up 4.6 percent from a year ago. Prices for meat, poultry, fish and eggs soared 10.5 percent.

For many cooks, the biggest expense will be the turkey. By the end of the year, market analysts say, prices per pound will likely surpass the record Department of Agriculture benchmark price for turkeys — $1.36, set in 2015.

Turkey is more expensive largely because the price of corn, which most commercial turkeys feed on, more than doubled in some parts of the country from July 2020 to July 2021. Whole frozen birds between eight and 16 pounds already cost 25 cents a pound more than they did a year ago, according to the weekly Department of Agriculture turkey report released on Friday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/25/dining/thanksgiving-inflation-supply-chain-food-costs.html

We’re spending about 5% more to buy food compared to last fall, and while Covington says that’s not as extreme as the inflation rate we’re seeing for housing or transportation, it still means extra money is coming out of your pocket. A shortage of truck drivers contributes to these increases, along with continued demand as people cook a lot of meals at home, Covington adds.

If a turkey is the centerpiece of your Thanksgiving table, it’ll probably be the biggest increase you experience.

Covington says a short supply of turkeys this year, along with labor shortages at meat packing facilities, have created bottlenecks, especially for smaller birds that people want for small gatherings. “The flock [of turkeys]—what’s available to harvest and deliver to the store—is at its smallest we’ve seen in probably 10 years,” he says.

Poultry prices rose 6% between September 2020 and September 2021, per the latest USDA data, while beef prices rose about 3%.

Eggs, milk and potatoes also rank high on the list of notable price increases. In September 2021, eggs cost 12.6% more than they did in September 2020. Fresh fruits and vegetables cost about 3% more than they did last fall. And the “fats and oils” category—which you’ll need whether you’re cooking or baking this holiday season—are up 7% over last year.

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/personal-finance/thanksgiving-dinner-food-prices/
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby jusplay4fun on Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:25 pm

HitRed wrote:Maybe the Dems flooded the market with pork


THAT is a good theory and good joke, too, HitRed..! :D :lol: =D> =D>
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby jusplay4fun on Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:03 pm

Same old play book, even though I cannot find the info on what Mookie asked about specifically and this one is not dated (maybe from 2008):

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Democrats will try again Thursday to pass a bill extending unemployment benefits after it fell three votes short of a needed two-thirds majority on Wednesday.

The measure would have provided up to 13 weeks of benefits to unemployed workers who have used up their regular unemployment, which in most states runs for 26 weeks. The additional benefits would have expired in March.

Workers in high-unemployment states would have been eligible for an additional 26 weeks of benefits.

Democrats argued that rising unemployment, the slowing economy and rising gas prices makes the extension necessary.

https://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/11/unemployment.benefits/

another:
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/07/us/politics/senate-fails-to-advance-unemployment-extension.html
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby riskllama on Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:06 pm

why do 'muricans always try & blame shit on someone else? just stfu & get after it... :roll:
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby HitRed on Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:15 pm

Jerome Powell finally woke up from his transitory delusion. But, he still blames supply chains for US inflation. Supply chain problems only change relative prices. They don’t cause inflation. Inflation's a monetary phenomenon, not a supply chain phenomenon.

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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby mookiemcgee on Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:54 pm

HitRed wrote:
Jerome Powell finally woke up from his transitory delusion. But, he still blames supply chains for US inflation. Supply chain problems only change relative prices. They don’t cause inflation. Inflation's a monetary phenomenon, not a supply chain phenomenon.

Steve Hanke economist


Seems like the Fed chair is supposed to be all cloak and dagger with his public comments. Greenspan was a MASTER of this, but then we had 2008 crash + Bernake who was shooting straight all the time and totally scaring the shit out of the markets. Powell certainly looks like a sleazy f*ck who'd be good at selling snake oil to the public (which may be disgusting but not scaring the markets with too much honesty is kinda the job), but I don't really know what approach he's really been taking. From this comment it seems like the former.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby mookiemcgee on Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:03 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:Same old play book, even though I cannot find the info on what Mookie asked about specifically and this one is not dated (maybe from 2008):

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Democrats will try again Thursday to pass a bill extending unemployment benefits after it fell three votes short of a needed two-thirds majority on Wednesday.

The measure would have provided up to 13 weeks of benefits to unemployed workers who have used up their regular unemployment, which in most states runs for 26 weeks. The additional benefits would have expired in March.

Workers in high-unemployment states would have been eligible for an additional 26 weeks of benefits.

Democrats argued that rising unemployment, the slowing economy and rising gas prices makes the extension necessary.

https://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/11/unemployment.benefits/

another:
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/07/us/politics/senate-fails-to-advance-unemployment-extension.html


Not to be a broken record, but if you are going to judge politicians based on ideas they had that never came to fruition you should apply that standard equally...



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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby jusplay4fun on Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:48 pm

Let me try a quick summary:

1) the Economy is complex and we will never know the exact cause of inflation and who ultimately deserve the BLAME for its cause. This is true about the current round of inflation now in 2021, which is significant (and well-documented here in this thread).

I said earlier:
jusplay4fun on Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:10 am
one reason I decide NOT to major in Economics in college was that there was no real way to test the theories offered. There are two major schools of economics (Keynesian and monetarists) and there is no way to know with any certainty which one better explains behaviors, results, and future economic outcomes. I do not like its ambiguity.


2) Ultimately what matters is NOT what I think or conjecture. The same is true for Mookie's ideas. I will add that Mookie did present some good arguments.

Aside HERE:
I am glad he gives us his assessment on VP Kamala Harris. And I am glad he looks at the candidates and will not vote a one Party approach; he is willing to be open minded and look at both major candidates. A sincere Thank You for that, Mookie.

I will quibble on at least one point here:

mookiemcgee said
on Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:25 pm

So now your premise is we should not have had an increase in gov't spending during the pandemic. Republicans should have accepted a recession during their time holding the presidency and control of the senate in order to control inflation and all the spending bills they passed due to the pandemic are... stupid Joe Biden and the democrats fault. Sure man, that is super cogent.


It should read stupid Joe Biden and stupid democrats. And yes, it is THEIR fault, in my opinion and the opinion of most Americans.

3) Ultimately what DOES matter is the perceptions of most Americans. And most Americans BLAME BIDEN for the current inflation:

I said, on
by jusplay4fun on Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:32 pm
22) There is NO clear way to identify which actions caused a definite amount of inflation. As also addressed by me, the US Economy cannot be put in a laboratory to determine REAL and ACTUAL cause and effect. People can speculate all they want, but most voters BLAME Biden, rightly or not.


I also said:
by jusplay4fun on Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:43 am
Some more big points:

A) The US President get too much credit when the Economy does well and too much blame when it goes badly.

B) All this is because the Economy (US and elsewhere) is incredibly complex, especially if there is capitalism and not mostly socialist state control. To blame Biden for ALL this inflation is UNFAIR; I admit that.


The Bottom Line: inflation is bad NOW and President Biden is getting blamed for it.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby mookiemcgee on Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:11 am

If you want me to 'bend' a little bit. I'd be willing to admit that 'democrats' (in congress) are certainly partially to blame, but Joe Biden truly isn't. We can argue over the causes, but virtually none of the causes of inflation cause it to go up 'overnight'. They take years to foment, and if you want to blame Joe Biden I would only be willing to accept as valid the argument that VICE PRESIDENT Joe Biden may have had something to do with inflation now, but president Joe Biden simply isn't a 'cause'.

I don't care who 'most Americans' and the '(right wing) mainstream media' are blaming, particularly if they aren't basing their argument on whats actually going on in the world and the economy.

And for the record, I'd totally f*ck the shit out of Tulsi Gabbard. I'd be honored to participate in giving her fraternal or identical twins (her choice). I'm not going to go hunt for it, but I said sometime over the last few years in this forum that I would have much much preferred her as a vice president to Kamala.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby jusplay4fun on Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:03 am

mookiemcgee wrote:If you want me to 'bend' a little bit. I'd be willing to admit that 'democrats' (in congress) are certainly partially to blame, but Joe Biden truly isn't. We can argue over the causes, but virtually none of the causes of inflation cause it to go up 'overnight'. They take years to foment, and if you want to blame Joe Biden I would only be willing to accept as valid the argument that VICE PRESIDENT Joe Biden may have had something to do with inflation now, but president Joe Biden simply isn't a 'cause'.

I don't care who 'most Americans' and the '(right wing) mainstream media' are blaming, particularly if they aren't basing their argument on whats actually going on in the world and the economy.

And for the record, I'd totally f*ck the shit out of Tulsi Gabbard. I'd be honored to participate in giving her fraternal or identical twins (her choice). I'm not going to go hunt for it, but I said sometime over the last few years in this forum that I would have much much preferred her as a vice president to Kamala.


I have said already:
1) (and perhaps twice in this thread) that the President gets too much credit and too much blame for economic successes and failures.

2) The Economy is very complex.

3) The monetary policies is what "The Fed" (The Federal Reserve) controls; it controls the money supply.

4) The fiscal policies (spending at the Federal level) is controlled by Congress and the President.

5) What any ONE person thinks is not as important as the collective opinion is for those who watch the polls and for the pols (Politicians) use to make key decisions. And the most important poll is the one each election cycle. And at this TIME, President Biden (rightly or wrongly) gets blamed for inflation.

NOW on to new ideas:
The M2 graph that HitRed cites and shows is important. The Fed increased the money supply to counter the effects of closing KEY parts of the US Economy during the COVID lockdowns. It had the INTENDED and Desired effect to pump up the Economy when it could have gone into a major recession due to ALL the BUSINESSES and government entities AND Employees NOT working and not spending money as they normally do (gasoline to get to work, lunch out, new clothes to wear to the Office or to work, etc., etc.)

The time after the lockdowns ended was the time to ease OFF the accelerator. Trump was not pushing for that as a good Economy helped his Re-election bid. AND the Democrats NEVER see a bad spending bill if they can pass one. There was NO ONE putting on the brakes on the US Economy. Now the impact of ALL that monetary and fiscal stimulus has had TOO MUCH impact and the Pendulum has swung toward INFLATION big time. AND the Democrats want to KEEP spending.

Hence I said that the Democrats are adding gasoline to the fire.

by jusplay4fun on Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:32 pm:
17) Hence Democrats "Throw Gasoline" (that we have in short supply) onto the "fires of INFLATION" and making that WORSE. {This is my own statement and I did not get that from a right wing website. I do not even read that type of GARBAGE.}


ALL this makes inflation worse and now BIDEN gets the Blame for the worse inflation in some 30 years.

NOVEMBER 24, 2021
Inflation has risen around the world, but the U.S. has seen one of the biggest increases

Americans who have been to the grocery store lately or started their holiday shopping may have noticed that consumer prices have spiked. The annual rate of inflation in the United States hit 6.2% in October 2021, the highest in more than three decades, as measured by the Consumer Price Index (CPI). Other inflation metrics also have shown significant increases in recent months, though not to the same extent as the CPI.

Understanding why the rate of inflation has risen so quickly could help clarify how long the surge might last – and what, if anything, policymakers should do about it. The recent acceleration in the rate of inflation appears to be fundamentally different from other inflationary periods that were more closely tied to the regular business cycle. Explanations for the current phenomenon proffered to date include continuing disruptions in global supply chains amid the coronavirus pandemic; turmoil in the labor markets; the fact that today’s prices are being measured against prices during last year’s COVID-19-induced shutdowns; and strong consumer demand after local economies were reopened.

At 5.3%, the U.S. had the eighth-highest annual inflation rate in the third quarter of 2021 among the 46 countries examined, narrowly edging out Poland. The increase in the U.S. inflation rate – 3.58 percentage points between the third quarter of 2019 and the third quarter of 2021 – was the third highest in the study group, behind only Brazil and Turkey, both of which have substantially higher inflation rates in general than the U.S. does.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/11/24/inflation-has-risen-around-the-world-but-the-u-s-has-seen-one-of-the-biggest-increases/

And one must understand the Role of the Fed:

What is the purpose of the Federal Reserve System?
The Federal Reserve System, often referred to as the Federal Reserve or simply "the Fed," is the central bank of the United States. It was created by the Congress to provide the nation with a safer, more flexible, and more stable monetary and financial system. The Federal Reserve was created on December 23, 1913, when President Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act into law. Today, the Federal Reserve's responsibilities fall into four general areas.

Conducting the nation's monetary policy by influencing money and credit conditions in the economy in pursuit of full employment and stable prices.
Supervising and regulating banks and other important financial institutions to ensure the safety and soundness of the nation's banking and financial system and to protect the credit rights of consumers.
Maintaining the stability of the financial system and containing systemic risk that may arise in financial markets.
Providing certain financial services to the U.S. government, U.S. financial institutions, and foreign official institutions, and playing a major role in operating and overseeing the nation's payments systems.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_12594.htm

And note further that the twin goals of full employment and stable prices actually are (basically) two sides of a dynamic Equilibrium in the US Economy.

Understand what the Fed has done in recent years:

What Is Quantitative Easing (QE)?
Quantitative easing (QE) is a form of unconventional monetary policy in which a central bank purchases longer-term securities from the open market in order to increase the money supply and encourage lending and investment. Buying these securities adds new money to the economy, and also serves to lower interest rates by bidding up fixed-income securities. It also expands the central bank's balance sheet.

When short-term interest rates are either at or approaching zero, the normal open market operations of a central bank, which target interest rates, are no longer effective. Instead, a central bank can target specified amounts of assets to purchase. Quantitative easing increases the money supply by purchasing assets with newly-created bank reserves in order to provide banks with more liquidity.

KEY TAKEAWAYS
Quantitative easing (QE) is a form of monetary policy used by central banks as a method of quickly increasing the domestic money supply and spurring economic activity.
Quantitative easing usually involves a country's central bank purchasing longer-term government bonds, as well as other types of assets, such as mortgage-backed securities (MBS).
In response to the economic shutdown caused by the COVID-19 pandemic, on March 15, 2020, the U.S. Federal Reserve announced a quantitative easing plan of over $700 billion.1
Then, on June 10, 2020, after a brief tapering effort, the Fed extended its program, committing to buy at least $80 billion a month in Treasuries and $40 billion in mortgage-backed securities, until further notice.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/q/quantitative-easing.asp

and, finally, for now,

I agree with Mookie on one KEY POINT:
that Tulsi Gabbard is very attractive..! :D =D> :!:
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby thegreekdog on Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:38 pm

mookiemcgee wrote:If you want me to 'bend' a little bit. I'd be willing to admit that 'democrats' (in congress) are certainly partially to blame, but Joe Biden truly isn't. We can argue over the causes, but virtually none of the causes of inflation cause it to go up 'overnight'. They take years to foment, and if you want to blame Joe Biden I would only be willing to accept as valid the argument that VICE PRESIDENT Joe Biden may have had something to do with inflation now, but president Joe Biden simply isn't a 'cause'.

I don't care who 'most Americans' and the '(right wing) mainstream media' are blaming, particularly if they aren't basing their argument on whats actually going on in the world and the economy.

And for the record, I'd totally f*ck the shit out of Tulsi Gabbard. I'd be honored to participate in giving her fraternal or identical twins (her choice). I'm not going to go hunt for it, but I said sometime over the last few years in this forum that I would have much much preferred her as a vice president to Kamala.


I think the question serious conservatives are asking is whether Biden's plans are going to make inflation better or worse. In my view that's the problem.

Tulsi is beautiful, but (more importantly for my happily married self) tracks with my politics better with Kalama Harris (a former prosecutor).
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby HitRed on Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:29 pm

If Tulsi is being interviewed I will stop and watch it. She clearly loves her country and the military. That is a bridge that will allow me to listen to the rest of her views. Which I do.

AOC to me is the opposite. *click*
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby mookiemcgee on Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:27 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:If you want me to 'bend' a little bit. I'd be willing to admit that 'democrats' (in congress) are certainly partially to blame, but Joe Biden truly isn't. We can argue over the causes, but virtually none of the causes of inflation cause it to go up 'overnight'. They take years to foment, and if you want to blame Joe Biden I would only be willing to accept as valid the argument that VICE PRESIDENT Joe Biden may have had something to do with inflation now, but president Joe Biden simply isn't a 'cause'.

I don't care who 'most Americans' and the '(right wing) mainstream media' are blaming, particularly if they aren't basing their argument on whats actually going on in the world and the economy.

And for the record, I'd totally f*ck the shit out of Tulsi Gabbard. I'd be honored to participate in giving her fraternal or identical twins (her choice). I'm not going to go hunt for it, but I said sometime over the last few years in this forum that I would have much much preferred her as a vice president to Kamala.


I think the question serious conservatives are asking is whether Biden's plans are going to make inflation better or worse. In my view that's the problem.



I think that is a fair question of his agenda, and I genuinely share those concerns. I would just say you as an american (conservative) can affect this change more effectively by supporting and electing a fiscally conservative president (republican), rather than doing what JP has done in this thread and just blame the other team.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby mookiemcgee on Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:29 pm

HitRed wrote:If Tulsi is being interviewed I will stop and watch it. She clearly loves her country and the military. That is a bridge that will allow me to listen to the rest of her views. Which I do.

AOC to me is the opposite. *click*



I rarely listen to politicians like AOC when they are featured on 'news shows'. Why? because her opinions are fairly fringe and her ideas will never win within her own party never mind in a mixed congress. The news media (either left or right) which spends alot of time focused on politicians like AOC wouldn't feed it to you if they had actual news coverage in mind. Same with Ilan Omar (who frankly I think is was more fringe than even AOC), but also all the Q crew on the right along with others. It's like the daytime TV soap opera end of politics.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby jusplay4fun on Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:03 am

mookiemcgee wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:If you want me to 'bend' a little bit. I'd be willing to admit that 'democrats' (in congress) are certainly partially to blame, but Joe Biden truly isn't. We can argue over the causes, but virtually none of the causes of inflation cause it to go up 'overnight'. They take years to foment, and if you want to blame Joe Biden I would only be willing to accept as valid the argument that VICE PRESIDENT Joe Biden may have had something to do with inflation now, but president Joe Biden simply isn't a 'cause'.

I don't care who 'most Americans' and the '(right wing) mainstream media' are blaming, particularly if they aren't basing their argument on whats actually going on in the world and the economy.

And for the record, I'd totally f*ck the shit out of Tulsi Gabbard. I'd be honored to participate in giving her fraternal or identical twins (her choice). I'm not going to go hunt for it, but I said sometime over the last few years in this forum that I would have much much preferred her as a vice president to Kamala.


I think the question serious conservatives are asking is whether Biden's plans are going to make inflation better or worse. In my view that's the problem.



I think that is a fair question of his agenda, and I genuinely share those concerns. I would just say you as an american (conservative) can affect this change more effectively by supporting and electing a fiscally conservative president (republican), rather than doing what JP has done in this thread and just blame the other team.


And what are your solutions, Mookie? I offer solutions, if you do not understand. My solution is to be more fiscally responsible. What I have blamed Democrats about is being fiscally irresponsible. A big part of the problem here is that Republicans too have been irresponsible, in the name of COVID relief. We needed SOME, but now this has gone TOO FAR. There had been enough economic stimulus to avoid a recession. (Hence my entire post about the Fed.) Solutions have been offered, in case Mookie did not realize it.

Mookie labeled my earlier points numbered 8+ as rantings; NO, they were analysis, as I showed in my post yesterday. NOW Mookie ignores the analysis and want to dismiss them as mere criticism of Democrats ("the other team") . Again, Democrats and Biden are getting blamed (rightly, or wrongly). Hence the entire notion of "Let's Go, Brandon." It seems Mookie cannot handle such criticism and the blame.

And did Mookie pay any attention to the recent elections in Virginia? We elected those that should be "fiscally conservative ." He wants to ignore that, too. Hopefully we in Virginia elected those who are fiscally responsible and not left wing extremists who tried to pass many laws that are mostly showmanship of social issues. The person elected for the Virginia Governor won his election partly by staying on message about his policies and did not get into the blame game. Mookie tries to defend the blame game by accusing of doing do. NO, this is not a blame game by me; it is an attempt to return the conversation to more responsible fiscal policies. This is not a conversation about so-called "systemic racism" and other social issues that gained lots of attention in 2020. The Democrats focus on such social issues and continue being fiscally irresponsible. Mookie appears to be myopic in much of this conversation. Mookie narrowly focuses on the criticism and cannot see the solutions that are the basis for that criticism.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby HitRed on Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:56 am

We need to return to 60 votes to pass a spending bill in the Senate. 60 votes requires true compromise. It also gave us the term do nothing Congress. I can’t recall what year this changed. Non-spending bills still require 60 votes. Budgetary bills are just ram it through at 50+1.

Even with the filibuster intact, Democrats can still pass some major budget-related measures through a process known as reconciliation, which allows legislation to be passed with only 51 votes. Lawmakers can pass one reconciliation bill per budget cycle, but there are restrictions, said Eleanor Neff Powell, an associate professor of political science at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

“There are some very narrow rules around it. … It has to have budgetary implications. You can’t just stick on any random thing. It has to actually be pretty narrowly tailored,” Powell said.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby thegreekdog on Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:45 am

mookiemcgee wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:If you want me to 'bend' a little bit. I'd be willing to admit that 'democrats' (in congress) are certainly partially to blame, but Joe Biden truly isn't. We can argue over the causes, but virtually none of the causes of inflation cause it to go up 'overnight'. They take years to foment, and if you want to blame Joe Biden I would only be willing to accept as valid the argument that VICE PRESIDENT Joe Biden may have had something to do with inflation now, but president Joe Biden simply isn't a 'cause'.

I don't care who 'most Americans' and the '(right wing) mainstream media' are blaming, particularly if they aren't basing their argument on whats actually going on in the world and the economy.

And for the record, I'd totally f*ck the shit out of Tulsi Gabbard. I'd be honored to participate in giving her fraternal or identical twins (her choice). I'm not going to go hunt for it, but I said sometime over the last few years in this forum that I would have much much preferred her as a vice president to Kamala.


I think the question serious conservatives are asking is whether Biden's plans are going to make inflation better or worse. In my view that's the problem.



I think that is a fair question of his agenda, and I genuinely share those concerns. I would just say you as an american (conservative) can affect this change more effectively by supporting and electing a fiscally conservative president (republican), rather than doing what JP has done in this thread and just blame the other team.


I don't recall the last fiscally conservative president. Frankly, most Republicans are not fiscally conservative. Additionally, I tend to think Congress can control that fiscal process more adequately and constitutionally.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby HitRed on Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:05 am

At 60 votes you wouldn't have the whiplash in spending priorities. So in the long run the spending would be more consistent.
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Re: Why inflation may be worse than you think it is

Postby mookiemcgee on Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:17 am

thegreekdog wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:If you want me to 'bend' a little bit. I'd be willing to admit that 'democrats' (in congress) are certainly partially to blame, but Joe Biden truly isn't. We can argue over the causes, but virtually none of the causes of inflation cause it to go up 'overnight'. They take years to foment, and if you want to blame Joe Biden I would only be willing to accept as valid the argument that VICE PRESIDENT Joe Biden may have had something to do with inflation now, but president Joe Biden simply isn't a 'cause'.

I don't care who 'most Americans' and the '(right wing) mainstream media' are blaming, particularly if they aren't basing their argument on whats actually going on in the world and the economy.

And for the record, I'd totally f*ck the shit out of Tulsi Gabbard. I'd be honored to participate in giving her fraternal or identical twins (her choice). I'm not going to go hunt for it, but I said sometime over the last few years in this forum that I would have much much preferred her as a vice president to Kamala.


I think the question serious conservatives are asking is whether Biden's plans are going to make inflation better or worse. In my view that's the problem.



I think that is a fair question of his agenda, and I genuinely share those concerns. I would just say you as an american (conservative) can affect this change more effectively by supporting and electing a fiscally conservative president (republican), rather than doing what JP has done in this thread and just blame the other team.


I don't recall the last fiscally conservative president. Frankly, most Republicans are not fiscally conservative. Additionally, I tend to think Congress can control that fiscal process more adequately and constitutionally.


Yeah, sadly I'd agree... would be nice though right?!
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