Mccain picks a veep you have never heard of! Poll added

[Fircoal]

Lets see if I get this straight.....

In some ways, it is very important. It hearkens back to DuBois' seminal work, The Souls of Black Folk. Obama is an example, a role model that comes along only very rarely. He's a guy every black parent can point to and say "See, if you work really hard and stay out of trouble, someday you could run for President."

So its "very rare" that the "black folk" can find role models in their community? Your point being there are only "very rare" instances in which "black folk" can be described as role models?

And of course, he serves as that example to all people in this great land, but to those black kids who are misguided into thinking their only chances for the peak of success are being a professional athlete or rapper, maybe this historic election can serve as some inspiration to avoid the allure of the Game.

...because Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Clarence Thomas, J.C. Watts, Robert Woodson, Brian Jones, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Shelby Steele, Armstrong Williams, Ken Hamblen, Ezola Foster, Bill Cosby, George S. Schuyler, Glenn C. Loury, and countless other "black folk" who have been very successful in their lives don't count. After all, they may espouse (what some would call) conservative ideals; therefore, they're not down with the struggle........ Uncle Toms, if you will....

Obama knows this. He has known this for years, and that's part of why he's avoided the vices that bring down so many leaders.

By vices you mean shady landscaping deals, or associations with admitted domestic terrorists & black liberation theologians? (despite being half white)

The color of Obama's skin (despite even being half white!) forces him to grasp with a despicable reality everyday, and I can only pray he isn't assassinated because of it.

See list above of prominent, successful black Americans who haven't been assassinated.....

I won't be voting for Obama because he's black, but I'm also not going to refuse to recognize the huge setbacks he's had to overcome in his life either.

Like graduating from Harvard....

Obama's skin color doesn't matter in the literal sense, but thinking abstractly, it's similar to Presidents like Lincoln or FDR. Lincoln suffered a debilitating injury as a child. He was kicked in the eye by a horse, which is why his face grew misshapen. You can see it in photos, but artists correct it in sculptures and paintings. And FDR overcame the debilitating effects of polio.

So being black is like being kicked in the face by a horse, or having polio.......I guess future artistes & sculptures will "whiten" him up a bit....

Obama, just by being the Democratic nominee has proven he was capable of rising above the racism and prejudice very much ingrained in American history and culture, and has done so in a classically American way: by working hard and avoiding vice. Of course, my writing this could be interpreted as saying that race matters, so let me address that head on. It's a catch-22. It's two sides of a coin. There is the "should be" and the "what is". To ignore the facts is as naive as to falsify them. So I'll repeat it. Race doesn't matter in the literal sense, but there is sadly still enough racism both in the world and in the USA to force one to recognize that race does matter.

Its pretty obvious race matters to you.
Obama, despite being half black-folk, has adapted and overcome insurmountable odds. Quite a feat. I guess it was only possible due to his white side..... After all, according to you (and DuBois, I presume), blacks are inherently not capable of success......only in "rare" instances....

I know this post is off-topic, and I'm sorry for that, we should go back to discussing McCain's VP choice.

Yes, lets.
I'm curious as to your take on Sarah Palin being nominated for VP. I'm sure you can come up with all sorts of examples on how she overcame such odds despite being a woman....

OMG..........Totally pwned by Iz Man

ROFL

if that was possible...

but of course anything Iz Man says is invalid.

Care to dispute anything?
If not, then perhaps you should stick to the pokemon threads......I'm sure they're more fitting for someone of your.....................maturity......

no thanks, but I've read some of the stuff you've written. I don't agree with you most of the time. (And you care WAY too much about beer. >_> )

[Iz Man]

but of course anything Iz Man says is invalid.

Care to dispute anything?
If not, then perhaps you should stick to the pokemon threads......I'm sure they're more fitting for someone of your.....................maturity......

no thanks, but I've read some of the stuff you've written. I don't agree with you most of the time. (And you care WAY too much about beer. >_> )

Ahh, I see; and yet anything I write is invalid?

When you get older, have to pay your own bills, and are responsible enough to enjoy an adult beverage, then perhaps you'll understand.

Until then, pokemon seems to be your best option.....

and Beer.......its the cornerstone of civilization.......care to dispute that?

[InkL0sed]

When you get older, have to pay your own bills,

This argument doesn't make much sense. There are plenty of people that pay their own bills, and yet still support Democrats.

Until then, pokemon seems to be your best option.....

Stop picking on Fircoal.

and Beer.......its the cornerstone of civilization.......care to dispute that?

Yes - the Romans and Greeks had no beer - that was for those uncivilized barbarians

[nomaddab]

Yeah, Hitler was an excellent orator...he ran on a platform of change as well.

All politicians run on the platform of "I'm against all those things everybody hates and for those you all like!". Hilter ran on a platform of change as much as McCain does.

Wait, all I ever hear is that McCain is running for Bushs Third term. Doesnt sound like change to me. To preach about change just for the sake of change is the cornerstone of Obamas campaign. While obviously he is no Hitler, he also has no substance.

The fact that someone is well spoken does not say anything about thier leadership qualities.

Indeed, which is what Pimp didn't say anyway so I fail to see why that's relevant.

From pimps post "People with the gift for oratory are not always great leaders, but all great leaders are gifted orators." Maybe you should go back ad read all of the post.

Whether you like George Bush or not he has proven himself to be a good leader.

Wait...what?

Go look up the definition of leadership. Ah, never mind...wouldnt want you to over extend yourself...here you go.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership

He has pushed through nearly every piece of legislation he has wanted.

This does not make you a good leader. Just doing whatever the hell you want without listening to others does not make you a good leader, it makes you a dick.

Again, refer to the definition of leadership. And while your at it read a book on how our government works. The president can not do anything without convincing a majority of congress to vote for it.

[Iz Man]

When you get older, have to pay your own bills,

This argument doesn't make much sense. There are plenty of people that pay their own bills, and yet still support Democrats.

Until then, pokemon seems to be your best option.....

Stop picking on Fircoal.

and Beer.......its the cornerstone of civilization.......care to dispute that?

Yes - the Romans and Greeks had no beer - that was for those uncivilized barbarians

First: Yes, plenty who pay their own bills support Democratic positions....but if I may quote Winston Churchill: "A conservative at 20 has no heart, a liberal at 40 has no brain". My point (and Churchill's) is with age comes wisdom, both of which are lacking in Fircoal.
Second: No need for you to fight Fircoal's battles for him, unless you feel it completely necessary. I responded to his assertion that all of what I say is invalid, opening him up to criticism.
Third: I certainly don't want to send this thread into a tangent; however, the Etruscans are credited with having introduced barley, the basic ingredient for the preparation of beer, into Italy between the seventh and sixth centuries B.C. By the first century A.D., the whole Roman Empire had picked up the habit of consuming beer; but (to your credit), beer was considered a pagan and plebeian beverage in comparison to the divine and noble wine. In 87 A.D., the historian Tacitus compared the beer of the Germans to vinus corruptus--wine gone bad!
As far as the Greeks are concerned; It is believed that the Egyptians taught the Greeks how to brew beer. Historians even suggest that the pre-historic beer god Dionysis is the root of the Greek wine god Dionysus. Beer was important to the Greeks, so much so that the famous writer Sophocles included beer as part of his suggested diet. The Greeks then taught the Romans how to brew beer.....the rest .....they say........is history.......

What was this thread about again?

[nomaddab]

Third: I certainly don't want to send this thread into a tangent; however, the Etruscans are credited with having introduced barley, the basic ingredient for the preparation of beer, into Italy between the seventh and sixth centuries B.C. By the first century A.D., the whole Roman Empire had picked up the habit of consuming beer; but (to your credit), beer was considered a pagan and plebeian beverage in comparison to the divine and noble wine. In 87 A.D., the historian Tacitus compared the beer of the Germans to vinus corruptus--wine gone bad!
As far as the Greeks are concerned; It is believed that the Egyptians taught the Greeks how to brew beer. Historians even suggest that the pre-historic beer god Dionysis is the root of the Greek wine god Dionysus. Beer was important to the Greeks, so much so that the famous writer Sophocles included beer as part of his suggested diet. The Greeks then taught the Romans how to brew beer.....the rest .....they say........is history.......

What was this thread about again?

LOL...I knew that was coming...

I think the wheel was invented to make it easier to move a keg.

[Snorri1234]

Yeah, Hitler was an excellent orator...he ran on a platform of change as well.

All politicians run on the platform of "I'm against all those things everybody hates and for those you all like!". Hilter ran on a platform of change as much as McCain does.

Wait, all I ever hear is that McCain is running for Bushs Third term. Doesnt sound like change to me. To preach about change just for the sake of change is the cornerstone of Obamas campaign. While obviously he is no Hitler, he also has no substance.

It doesn't sound like change, obviously. Most politicians I know don't talk about "change" so much either, but every single one says they will change things. It would be silly to run saying you're not going to change anything, people won't vote for that.

Obviously you know nothing about Obama's policies though, otherwise you wouldn't say he's solely talking about change for change's sake or has no substenance. You can ofcourse argue that what he want's to do is bad, but that's something else entirely.

The fact that someone is well spoken does not say anything about thier leadership qualities.

Indeed, which is what Pimp didn't say anyway so I fail to see why that's relevant.

From pimps post "People with the gift for oratory are not always great leaders, but all great leaders are gifted orators." Maybe you should go back ad read all of the post.

Yo, this might come as a suprise to you but that statement doesn't logically compare with what you said.

You should've said: "The fact that someone is not well spoken.." or "Whether or not a person is well spoken..."
That would've been a decent point, one I could probably get behind. (Though you must admit that nearly all great leaders have been good speakers, or at least eloquent writers.) But your original statement was flawed.

Whether you like George Bush or not he has proven himself to be a good leader.

Wait...what?

Go look up the definition of leadership. Ah, never mind...wouldnt want you to over extend yourself...here you go.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership

THANKS! I SUREEE KNOW WHUT A LEADERS IS NOW!

There is a slight difference between being a leader and being a good leader, try to find it.

He has pushed through nearly every piece of legislation he has wanted.

This does not make you a good leader. Just doing whatever the hell you want without listening to others does not make you a good leader, it makes you a dick.

Again, refer to the definition of leadership. And while your at it read a book on how our government works. The president can not do anything without convincing a majority of congress to vote for it.

Bush certainly did a few things without congress actually supporting it though.
And regardless, convincing a bunch of corrupt people to support you is not that big of a deal.



See, you really need to understand the actual point. A good leader can rally the people (not just a bunch of overpaid politicians) behind him, he can stand firmly on an issue regardless of the pressure, he is liked and trusted by his populace (unlike a certain CURRENT AMERICAN PRESIDENT) and can drive them to do things they never thought they could do. Every president is a leader, but not every president is a great leader.

[Snorri1234]

Yes - the Romans and Greeks had no beer - that was for those uncivilized barbarians

Nah, it was for the general populace. If I remember correctly wine was far too expensive for the lower ranks, and they didn't write history-books.


Alcohol has been ever-present in the whole world.

[InkL0sed]

Yes - the Romans and Greeks had no beer - that was for those uncivilized barbarians

Nah, it was for the general populace. If I remember correctly wine was far too expensive for the lower ranks, and they didn't write history-books.


Alcohol has been ever-present in the whole world.

Wait, I'm not quite sure what you're saying - is it that beer was for the general populace?

I'm pretty sure, at least at first, they didn't even have beer, because of the climate...

[Fircoal]

but of course anything Iz Man says is invalid.

Care to dispute anything?
If not, then perhaps you should stick to the pokemon threads......I'm sure they're more fitting for someone of your.....................maturity......

no thanks, but I've read some of the stuff you've written. I don't agree with you most of the time. (And you care WAY too much about beer. >_> )

Ahh, I see; and yet anything I write is invalid?

When you get older, have to pay your own bills, and are responsible enough to enjoy an adult beverage, then perhaps you'll understand.

Until then, pokemon seems to be your best option.....

and Beer.......its the cornerstone of civilization.......care to dispute that?

True that not everything you write is invalid, that probably was too gross an extragration.

[Snorri1234]

Yes - the Romans and Greeks had no beer - that was for those uncivilized barbarians

Nah, it was for the general populace. If I remember correctly wine was far too expensive for the lower ranks, and they didn't write history-books.


Alcohol has been ever-present in the whole world.

Wait, I'm not quite sure what you're saying - is it that beer was for the general populace?

I'm pretty sure, at least at first, they didn't even have beer, because of the climate...

Climate? Why would that affect it?

[Iz Man]

but of course anything Iz Man says is invalid.

Care to dispute anything?
If not, then perhaps you should stick to the pokemon threads......I'm sure they're more fitting for someone of your.....................maturity......

no thanks, but I've read some of the stuff you've written. I don't agree with you most of the time. (And you care WAY too much about beer. >_> )

Ahh, I see; and yet anything I write is invalid?
When you get older, have to pay your own bills, and are responsible enough to enjoy an adult beverage, then perhaps you'll understand.
Until then, pokemon seems to be your best option.....
and Beer.......its the cornerstone of civilization.......care to dispute that?

True that not everything you write is invalid, that probably was too gross an extragration.

fair enough then

[Visaoni]

I'm not going to read through the six pages to figure out if this has been mentioned or not, but just in case it hasn't... Mccain's VP nominee is currently under investigation for getting her ex-brother in law fired from a government job after a messy divorce with her sister. Sounds exactly like the kind of person we need as VP, doesn't it?

[InkL0sed]

Yes - the Romans and Greeks had no beer - that was for those uncivilized barbarians

Nah, it was for the general populace. If I remember correctly wine was far too expensive for the lower ranks, and they didn't write history-books.


Alcohol has been ever-present in the whole world.

Wait, I'm not quite sure what you're saying - is it that beer was for the general populace?

I'm pretty sure, at least at first, they didn't even have beer, because of the climate...

Climate? Why would that affect it?

They grow olives in the Mediterranean, not hops...

[Snorri1234]

They grow olives in the Mediterranean, not hops...

Yeah, but you don't make wine from olives either.

I believe they can grow hops quite easily there, though I admit it doesn't have any tradition in beer. They probably didn't drink it as much as wine.

[InkL0sed]

They grow olives in the Mediterranean, not hops...

Yeah, but you don't make wine from olives either.

I believe they can grow hops quite easily there, though I admit it doesn't have any tradition in beer. They probably didn't drink it as much as wine.

I meant to say grapes, but whatever. I should probably wiki this.

[Iz Man]

Yes - the Romans and Greeks had no beer - that was for those uncivilized barbarians

Nah, it was for the general populace. If I remember correctly wine was far too expensive for the lower ranks, and they didn't write history-books.
Alcohol has been ever-present in the whole world.

Wait, I'm not quite sure what you're saying - is it that beer was for the general populace?
I'm pretty sure, at least at first, they didn't even have beer, because of the climate...

Climate? Why would that affect it?

Hops certainly fair better in more northern climates than Greece or Italy (Rome); however, hops were not really introduced to beer until the 14th-15th centuries (in Bavaria/Germany). So in ancient Greece & Rome beer would have contained different herbs and/or spices to offset the inherent sweetness of malted barley.
Barley, on the other hand, is quite a hardy grain, and grows throughout Europe (in particular).

What was this thread about again?

[Snorri1234]

Yes - the Romans and Greeks had no beer - that was for those uncivilized barbarians

Nah, it was for the general populace. If I remember correctly wine was far too expensive for the lower ranks, and they didn't write history-books.
Alcohol has been ever-present in the whole world.

Wait, I'm not quite sure what you're saying - is it that beer was for the general populace?
I'm pretty sure, at least at first, they didn't even have beer, because of the climate...

Climate? Why would that affect it?

Hops certainly fair better in more northern climates than Greece or Italy (Rome); however, hops were not really introduced to beer until the 14th-15th centuries (in Bavaria/Germany). So in ancient Greece & Rome beer would have contained different herbs and/or spices to offset the inherent sweetness of malted barley.
Barley, on the other hand, is quite a hardy grain, and grows throughout Europe (in particular).

Ah yes, I forgot that. Barley is a grain so can pretty much grow everywhere. I didn't know hops were introduced later though, thanks for that.

What was this thread about again?

Something boring I think.

[bedub1]

Just how much Senate experience does Barack Obama have in terms of actual work days? Not much.

From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.

He's running for President. She is running for Vice President. (Just in case somebody was going to/already did bring up her lack of experience.)

[daddy1gringo]

Well, from what I can tell, if the pick means anything significant, it increases the chance that a McCain presidency will be something other than Washington business as usual, Democrat or Republican version, and that's encouraging. Imagine if the old man croaks and we've got this wild card running the oval office. Sounds like fun.

[MeDeFe]

Nah, it was for the general populace. If I remember correctly wine was far too expensive for the lower ranks, and they didn't write history-books.
Alcohol has been ever-present in the whole world.

Wait, I'm not quite sure what you're saying - is it that beer was for the general populace?
I'm pretty sure, at least at first, they didn't even have beer, because of the climate...

Climate? Why would that affect it?

Hops certainly fair better in more northern climates than Greece or Italy (Rome); however, hops were not really introduced to beer until the 14th-15th centuries (in Bavaria/Germany). So in ancient Greece & Rome beer would have contained different herbs and/or spices to offset the inherent sweetness of malted barley.
Barley, on the other hand, is quite a hardy grain, and grows throughout Europe (in particular).

Ah yes, I forgot that. Barley is a grain so can pretty much grow everywhere. I didn't know hops were introduced later though, thanks for that.

I thought you used barley to make whiskey (or was it whisky?).

[Iz Man]

I thought you used barley to make whiskey (or was it whisky?).

You do. In fact, technically, whisky is distilled beer....

[deronimo]

When you get older, have to pay your own bills, and are responsible enough to enjoy an adult beverage, then perhaps you'll understand.

Until then, pokemon seems to be your best option.....

I need to sig this

[Snorri1234]

Back to this tedious election!

McCain cancells interview with Larry King. It seems as though he thought an interview with Tucker Bounds (who?) was out of line and therefore the whole station should be ignored or whatever.

Apparantly asking for an example of a command decision by Palin is "out of line".....

[pimpdave]

Back to this tedious election!

McCain cancells interview with Larry King. It seems as though he thought an interview with Tucker Bounds (who?) was out of line and therefore the whole station should be ignored or whatever.

Apparantly asking for an example of a command decision by Palin is "out of line".....

Thanks a lot for this post, I doubt I'd have heard about that without your post. What I find most interesting, however, is that McCain is reportedly "infuriated" about the media coverage of Palin's daughter's pregnancy. While I agree with Obama that it is a subject that should be off limits, why didn't McCain come out against the exploitation of that video clip of Rev. Wright months ago? Shouldn't that also be an off-limits topic?

Besides which, you can't blame a dog for being a dog, and you can't blame the media for being a bunch of bottom-feeding rodents. They always will be.

Long gone are the days when topics were considered off-limits for reporters, and I sincerely do wish they would return.

The video is a prime example of what good reporting should be. Sticking it to the interviewee on a pertinent topic; something which is very much the voting public's business to know.

It's none of my business, however, that Sarah Palin's daughter is preggers.