Who has two paws and hates Sarah Palin

[PopeBenXVI]

I am new to the thread and have too much in my head to type so I will just start with the most recent to reply to.

1. Abortion: the Pres or Vice Pres do not make abortion legel or not. Even 8 years of Palin as president would not overturn abortion and Mccain said it should be a state issue anyway. I think you can drive a few ours to kill your baby right?

2. Believe it or not we do have the technology in 2008 to drill without screwing up the environment. We just apparently can't put oil in a boat without crashing it all over the world. The more reason to drill close to us so we have less long boat rides full of crude coming from the middle east and spilling everywhere. Oh, an the money goes to terrorist countries!

3. I am not sure if you are against the death penelty here but if you are I am cunfussed because you favor the right to murder your own baby if it is convenient for you to live your life better.

4. Darwin himself thought evolution to be a theory and never said he thought it was fact. If you are truly in favor of education don't you think all information should be presented unbiasly in PUBLIC SCHOOL so people can make up their own minds? After all, we want freedom of choice right? She wuld not imposing her view like evolution is now imposed even though over 1/2 the country believes in creationism.

5. We know global warming appears to exist...the question is what is really causing it. No one has any real proof for sure, you just hear Al Gore furthuring his recognition with the topic. I think keeping his private jet on the ground would help clean up the air though.

6. whats wrong with guns? Criminals will always be able to get guns regardless of the law. Is it the NRA members shooting people on the streets and robbing stores?

7. They have the right to get married right now and always have but they have declined to do so and are asking for extra "rights" to get "married" in some unatual disordered way.

8. Just because not as many people decide to follow it does not mean it's not the right approach to teach. You still tell your kids not to do drugs and not, how to do drugs in a "safer" way? both can screw you up and are just as adicting. Oh, and I suppose we should do what Obama says and teach 4 year old kindergardeners what sex is......Yah, great idea!

9. If you don't want the fight taken to the terrorists perhaps a plane should crash into your house or place of work. I havent seen that happen in America for 7 years and I am sure they did not just stop trying to do it.

10. Sounds good...What's the problem? Other endangered animals have come off the list before and have even been allowed hunting permits afterward.

11. This is a consistant error the Democrates promote. The republican party...including Palin, are in favor of Adult stem cell research which is the research that has the record of all the advances and cures in the stem cell research. Fetal stem cell research is what kills early lives and has yelded no advances despite private companies dumping more money than anyones business into trying to make them do something. Private companies who own these patents for lines of study are the lobbiests that want federal funding to research their failing methods instead of using what is working.

12. Whats the problem? Clinton: I smoked but didn't inhale.......

13. She never banned any books so stop being a Socialist mind drown who bites on every Bias reporting the Obama love fest has to offer. Most of the books on the "list" were not even published yet when she was in office.

14. Ok...so?

15. Oh and Obama hasn't done jack in about 2 years as a senator. If you are concerned about Sarah maybe you should realize you are looking at putting someone DIRECTLY into the presidency who is no more qualified than Sarah.

Oh, and he thinks the U.S. has 57 states....Now their is a comitment to education!

Thats enough...I could write a book, you get my point

[HapSmo19]

Yeah, I'm gonna quote Michael Savage from his radio show today. This is not verbatim but he said:

"Due to his past ties and associations, Obama wouldn't qualify to be his own secret service bodyguard."

[strike wolf]

I am new to the thread and have too much in my head to type so I will just start with the most recent to reply to.

1. Abortion: the Pres or Vice Pres do not make abortion legel or not. Even 8 years of Palin as president would not overturn abortion and Mccain said it should be a state issue anyway. I think you can drive a few ours to kill your baby right?

I don't think it's about whether she can change it or not, but more like how that plays into her system of beliefs and her overall character.

10. Sounds good...What's the problem? Other endangered animals have come off the list before and have even been allowed hunting permits afterward.

The problem is their are better, more effective ways to increase the prey population for hunters which is a big reason why this is happening. Other than that it gets really complicated and to avoid a long post I won't go over it all here.

[The1exile]

Someone on BBC news today said something particularly relevant about Sarah Palin - she thinks God dictates her countries direction, she hates homosexuals with a passion, she is against abortion and believes everything in her holy text is literally correct. If you gave her a full muslim look, burka and all, she would be considered one of the worst extremists of her type, but because she has the hairdo, much-lauded lipstick and expensive glasses, nope - she's a VP candidate.

In short, I'd be fucking scared.

[PopeBenXVI]

Your comments about what the BBC say make no difference. Can you acctually show me the quote where Sarah said....and YOU quote, "I hate homosexuals with a passion" If not then stop believing the media bias that is so evident. I have no dought she does not like the homosexual lifestyle but I gaurentee she does not hate homosexuals.....show me where she said that. Oh and FYI, the Bible has had more of its writtings historically proven than any other historcal book or text (by secular historians) so maybe you should give it some credit as being reliable.

It is also completely backward to compare Christians (like Sarah) to terrorists who crash planes into buildings and take civilian hostages to murder. If you are going to argue a point then at least have something intelligent to say.

How is it that just because the media gives Obama a pass you do too. If you want to talk about extreamists then just look at all the loosers that Obama is associated with!

Rev Wright: Anti Semetic, Anti American quotes and Obama has even said he is a mentor and has attended his "church" for 20 years. They are persoanl friends

Ludacris: A profain woman objectifying rapper who has even held fund raisers for Obama. They are personal friends

Has been at the home of William Ayers, An unrepented domestic bomber who says he should have bombed even more!

People such as yourself are actually the most closed minded of anyone. You probably sit at home watching ABC news as they bash Sarah and give Obama a pass on everything else. I am not a republican and have even voted for some democrates in some races. The fact here is that Obama has way too many questionable ties aside in addition to the above mentioned and all the liberals care about is that he will keep abortion legal.....That is pathetic! You have made "the right to kill your children" your God over national security and common sense.

[Snorri1234]

It is also completely backward to compare Christians (like Sarah) to terrorists who crash planes into buildings and take civilian hostages to murder.

And it's very backwards to claim that any radical muslim is a terrorist.

[PopeBenXVI]

There you liberals go misquoting people again. Where did I say that all muslems were terrorists? Oh thats right I didn't. I never even used the word Muslim.....but only the word terrorists. In fact I would agree that every radical Muslim is not a terrorist.

Check out this intelligent guy for president: According to what he says he must think we have 59 states
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

[Snorri1234]

There you liberals go misquoting people again. Where did I say that all muslems were terrorists? Oh thats right I didn't. I never even used the word Muslim.....but only the word terrorists. In fact I would agree that every radical Muslim is not a terrorist.

Well, the fact that you said "It is also completely backward to compare Christians (like Sarah) to terrorists who crash planes into buildings and take civilian hostages to murder." after The1Exile said that if you dressed her up like a muslim she would be an extremist speaks volumes about what you think all radical muslims are like.

[Snorri1234]

Your comments about what the BBC say make no difference. Can you acctually show me the quote where Sarah said....and YOU quote, "I hate homosexuals with a passion" If not then stop believing the media bias that is so evident. I have no dought she does not like the homosexual lifestyle but I gaurentee she does not hate homosexuals.....show me where she said that. Oh and FYI, the Bible has had more of its writtings historically proven than any other historcal book or text (by secular historians) so maybe you should give it some credit as being reliable.

Not to be a dick but I think that proving "genesis" is pretty hard, and so are all the other actual things non-christians don't believe in. I don't have any trouble believing Jesus was some carpenter who had some interresting stuff to say, or that the jews had to leave egypt, but not all of that supernatural shit that is the more important part.

Rev Wright: Anti Semetic, Anti American quotes and Obama has even said he is a mentor and has attended his "church" for 20 years. They are persoanl friends

So? One of my friends can rant for hours about those damn dirty foreigners but I still like him. You don't have to agree with everything your friends say.

Ludacris: A profain woman objectifying rapper who has even held fund raisers for Obama. They are personal friends

Ludacris and Obama are personal friends?

[PopeBenXVI]

Again your logic makes no sense as I was never talking about muslims and in fact clarified my position already. Your comments about Muslims are not at all related and are irelivant to the conversation on how unqualified or qualified Sarah or Oabma are. It is interesting how people can be so against a candidate because they are Christian when this entire country was built on that principle. The only thing that gaurentees your human dignity is the understanding that it is given to us by God and we are entitled to it. If you think it comes from government then it can be taken away by government.

[Neoteny]

Pope Ben is back!

[Neoteny]

Again your logic makes no sense as I was never talking about muslims and in fact clarified my position already. Your comments about Muslims are not at all related and are irelivant to the conversation on how unqualified or qualified Sarah or Oabma are. It is interesting how people can be so against a candidate because they are Christian when this entire country was built on that principle. The only thing that gaurentees your human dignity is the understanding that it is given to us by God and we are entitled to it. If you think it comes from government then it can be taken away by government.

Oh, and what Christian principle were you referring to when you said this country was built on it?

[Snorri1234]

Again your logic makes no sense as I was never talking about muslims and in fact clarified my position already.

That's because you didn't respond to Exile's point. He was saying that if she used the Koran instead of the bible, she'd be one of those people we're supposed to be scared off according to the media and government.

Your comments about Muslims are not at all related and are irelivant to the conversation on how unqualified or qualified Sarah or Oabma are.

Well, I'd say social policies are pretty important dude.

It is interesting how people can be so against a candidate because they are Christian when this entire country was built on that principle.

It's also interresting why people still believe that and why it should actually matter.

[The1exile]

There you liberals go misquoting people again. Where did I say that all muslems were terrorists? Oh thats right I didn't. I never even used the word Muslim.....but only the word terrorists. In fact I would agree that every radical Muslim is not a terrorist.

No, what you said was in response to my post and to a perceived likening of sarah palin to terrorists, when the likening was in fact to extremist muslim women (or crossdressers). Try not to get confused. Also, saying "there you liberals go..." is an overgeneralisation which is a recognised critical flaw.

Your comments about what the BBC say make no difference. Can you acctually show me the quote where Sarah said....and YOU quote, "I hate homosexuals with a passion" If not then stop believing the media bias that is so evident. I have no dought she does not like the homosexual lifestyle but I gaurentee she does not hate homosexuals.....show me where she said that. Oh and FYI, the Bible has had more of its writtings historically proven than any other historcal book or text (by secular historians) so maybe you should give it some credit as being reliable.

The media is so biased? Let me guess, it's a mega conspiracy to thwart the republicans, right? No, really. Maybe you should meet jay... As for the bible being "proven", what you mean is "the historical context in which the bible is set in appears accurate". This doesn't validate the teachings or views therein - to draw a parallel, I could write a story today saying that I cycled to a nearby town, spent 10 minutes there conversing with the avatar of the god of pink woolly elephants, and then returned home again. While in 1700 years time they might prove that yes, I did take the bike journey, this does not prove that I met the avatar of pink woolly elephants. Also, I didn't quote her as saying "I hate homosexuals with a passion", I said that

It is also completely backward to compare Christians (like Sarah) to terrorists who crash planes into buildings and take civilian hostages to murder. If you are going to argue a point then at least have something intelligent to say.

See, I never did. You assumed that, from when I compared her with muslim extremists (in case you're wondering, "extremist" means "holds extreme views", not "holds views that are equivalent to 'DEATH TO THE WEST!'").

How is it that just because the media gives Obama a pass you do too.

it's not because the media gives him a pass, as you put it, it's because I think he's the better candidate - some of the most important policies for me as a brit rather than an american suggest that Obama will be the better candidate for the rest of the world with regards to his views on foreign policy and the economy. I could go into detail as to why I believe McCain or Obama score on different fronts, but this thread is about the bulldog-lipstick woman.

If you want to talk about extreamists then just look at all the loosers that Obama is associated with!

Rev Wright: Anti Semetic, Anti American quotes and Obama has even said he is a mentor and has attended his "church" for 20 years. They are persoanl friends

Ludacris: A profain woman objectifying rapper who has even held fund raisers for Obama. They are personal friends

Has been at the home of William Ayers, An unrepented domestic bomber who says he should have bombed even more!

Did I say Obama was a saint, or just considered by y own unvoting self to be a better candidate? Right, the second. But hey, if you're going to judge people by association, you should do it thoroughly - especially with regards to the first, since it's Palin's church (Wasilia Bible Church) that supports the old and proven cruel and ineffective "turn gay people straight" shock treatment (Time, september 2nd - I expect you may have to consign them to the "biased media" pile now though, huh?).

People such as yourself are actually the most closed minded of anyone. You probably sit at home watching ABC news as they bash Sarah and give Obama a pass on everything else. I am not a republican and have even voted for some democrates in some races. The fact here is that Obama has way too many questionable ties aside in addition to the above mentioned and all the liberals care about is that he will keep abortion legal.....That is pathetic! You have made "the right to kill your children" your God over national security and common sense.

I don't watch ABC news, nor was I even supporting Obama with my post - merely criticising Palin, who I do not believe is a good candidate. As for "the right to kill your children", that's a different debate that I don't want to get into, but nowhere on the list of reasons I believe Obama should be elected. And what on earth are you on about national security for?

[PopeBenXVI]

Christian Principle"s" is what I mean.....I try to be as exact as possible but the Pope is a bad typer and speller......Forgive an old Pope?

If you are not familiar with the verbiage of our founding documents and leaders you should probably read them then you will understand what I mean. Too many people pay more attention in sex education then history of our country so I understand if you are not familiar with that concept.

And yes....I'm back...whatever that means

[The1exile]

On a lighter note, Ben, I suggest you get Firefox - aside from being a great browser anyway, it has a built in spell-checker that will do wonders for your spelling of "guarantee"

http://www.getfirefox.com

[Snorri1234]

Too many people pay more attention in sex education then history of our country so I understand if you are not familiar with that concept.

It's a good thing that Palin wants to do away with all that silly sex-education...

[PopeBenXVI]

much appriciated about the spelling Excile......I should mention that i did not realize you were in Europe. To fill you in...the American mainstream media is horibbly bias and does the county and the world a huge diservice. Obama has lots of radical friends and black & white race views in the U.S. is much different than in Europe. His pastor is one of his radical friends with some very disturbing views which you can watch for yourself online.

And yes, Kindergardeners (4-5 years old) should not be taught about intercoarse as Obama promoted and voted for in his home state

[Snorri1234]

And yes, Kindergardeners (4-5 years old) should not be taught about intercoarse as Obama promoted and voted for in his home state

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/off_base_on_sex_ed.html

[pimpdave]

Don't worry everyone, the last time this kind of rabbit out of the hat trick was pulled, it was done by Mondale with Ferraro.

Reagan still won, by about 33 points, I believe. Palin might keep "Impalin" (TM, Copyright, pimpdave 2008) the Obama campaign for another week or so, but the buzz will die down, people will realize (through the debates) that this is a contest between Obama and McCain, and will be decided as such.

Ferraro gave Mondale a boost for about 2 weeks as well, even surging up over Reagan, in some polls. This really isn't the deciding factor for the election, nor should we allow people to try and make it such.

[Nikolai]

Just as a matter of interest, since this thread seems to be... sidetracking... I present this interesting commentary.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/11/ ... index.html

EDIT: good call, pimpdave.

[got tonkaed]

Just as a matter of interest, since this thread seems to be... sidetracking... I present this interesting commentary.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/11/ ... index.html

EDIT: good call, pimpdave.

while i dont disagree with anything in that particular article i have to admit a bit of a love hate sentiment toward mr beck in general. I love how silly he is at times and how he can really get that whole im not really into politics so i cant believe what these politicians are doing middle america sentiment, but i tend to dislike him more when i hear what many of his actual ideas are.

[Snorri1234]

Just as a matter of interest, since this thread seems to be... sidetracking... I present this interesting commentary.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/11/ ... index.html

Except for the sex-ed position which she is still unclear on, I agree with the basic points.

[Snorri1234]

Also:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/us/politics/13mccain.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

[oaktown]

Some actual Sarah Palin QUOTES on a few political issues:

On Creationism:

The simple yet elegantly awkward moose proves God's creation and not evolution is the source of all life. How could something as oddly shaped and silly looking as a moose evolve through so-called "natural selection?" Is evolution a committee? There is nothing natural about a dorky moose! Only God could have made a moose and given it huge antlers to fight off his predatory enemies. God has a well known sense of humor, I mean He made the platypus too.

On oil exploration and drilling in the ANWR:

God made dinosaurs 4,000 years ago as ultimately flawed creatures, lizards of Satan really, so when they died and became petroleum products we, made in his perfect image, could use them in our pickup trucks, snow machines and fishing boats. Now, as to the ANWR, Todd and I often enjoying caribou hunting and one year we shot up a herd big time, I mean I personally slaughtered around 40 of them with my new, at the time, custom Austrian hunting rifle. And guess what? That caribou herd is still around and even bigger than ever. Caribou herds actually need culling, be it by rifles or wolves, or Exxon-Mobil oil rigs, they do just great!

On Alaskans serving overseas in Iraq:

Well, God bless them, and I mean God and Jesus because without Jesus we'd be Muslims too or Jewish, which would be a little better because of the superior Israeli Air Force.

Maybe this has already been mentioned somewhere in this thread, but these are NOT actual Sarah Palin quotes - they've been floating around the internet as such, but like many other "facts" on the internet they are bogus.

That said, I don't much care for Sarah Palin. She strikes me as a moderately intelligent woman and she is clearly very ambitious, but as the recent ABC interview proves she is nowhere near ready to be a 72-year-old man's heartbeat away from the presidency. Putting her on the ticket was a great political move, but nobody can convince me that she should be anywhere near the oval office.