TOMBSTONE MAFIA *Day 7* MAFIA WIN!!!!!!

by **wicked** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:28 pm

got tonkaed wrote:actually you have played with me in a game concurrently. I brought out an investiagtion of puff which was a confirmed death of mandolorian, was very upfront about it and you said well i cant bandwagon or look at evidence or something. You may not remember me, but having 2 investigative type results and having you yet to even really considering believing me, its hard not to be frusterated with teh fact that you apparently dont like evidence. On top of that your a good player so i shouldnt have to role claim to get things done when i spell it out, especially when moz seemed to understand my role and it was vaguely clear mando did too.

you are correct, it was after the merge. I was not paying attention to the game at that point b/c of what was going on IRL, a fact I posted in the thread. But I caught up and voted Puff b/c of your evidence...

wicked from the other game wrote:Max has been known to lie in general, outside this thread, so I'm believing tonk'd.

vote Puff

I DID NOT SAY I DIDN'T BELIEVE YOU, so stop making up shit, ok?

by **got tonkaed** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:31 pm

wicked if you would be so kind as to check the combined thread and see who the first person we lynched was, i will not make another comment about that game as im probably approaching an unnecesary amount of comment on it as is, im just frusterated with the short amount of interaction that the two of us have had, it will pass.

Aimless im well aware of the fact that me claiming opens up a window for you to squirm out. You can pick at the claim and say well i believed him before, while i had you on the chopping block, but now with new and actually fairly substantial information, you now dont believe im town? Im not sure how my role claiming has changed at all my entire motive of the day, which has been to get you lynched.

To use your language....if you were scum and i got you lynched, i win a pass for one night. Now i dont have to use it tonight and hope the mafia thinks i do and maybe i get a good prize if i can win again tommorow. If you dont get lynched i die its that simple.

Now i dont know if this game has more than one cop in it, but as far as i can see without having any information from day 1 on pancakes sanity, i dont see any reason to believe there wasnt one cop. I would think that would have disqualified my information as being from a cop role.

Look at your proposal from the opposite side. If you survive, i die. This is in effect the exact same thing as having you lynched and me leaving the game. So putting up an argument like this shouldnt in anyway give you more credibility. So lets look at what we have. I have information, that has been proven (as best as i can tell on day 3) to be sane, that you are scum. If you dont get lynched i die, town is minus one pro town role and you the crafty mafia player give up no information. There will be no reason to suspect you and you will be able to brush this off as the insane ramblings of someone else free to kill someone tonight and at that point town is severly crippled.

Not that pascals wager makes much sense in any facet of life but if im not a lyncher and you are scum it is in favor town to lynch you, where as the loss of me not being a lyncher and you being scum is pretty devestating for town.

by **MountainLion** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:31 pm

I don't understand why he would kill himself if Aimless isn't lynched. He said he has a sane role. Plus he's a gambler...all they care about is making money.

by **got tonkaed** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:32 pm

i didnt come up with the condition mountain, i would assume my life was what i wagered for the possiblity to get the "get out of jail free card" but im speculating a bit.

by **Aegnor** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:34 pm

Aimless wrote: If you don't lynch me, he supposedly commits suicide, but you can use that as a confirmation that I'm not scum - either he dies, and the town is down to 12 with 1 confirmed scum (a better situation than the above.

If we don't lynch you and he dies, we do have a confirmed scum BUT, we also get a night kill! Which does not make it "a better situation than the above".

by **Aimless** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:39 pm

got tonkaed wrote:Aimless im well aware of the fact that me claiming opens up a window for you to squirm out. You can pick at the claim and say well i believed him before, while i had you on the chopping block, but now with new and actually fairly substantial information, you now dont believe im town? Im not sure how my role claiming has changed at all my entire motive of the day, which has been to get you lynched.

Motive? No, that hasn't changed. But method? Before, you were making a metagame argument based on play style (and hinting at the possibility that you were a power role, but I never listen to those, because anyone can hint that they are a power role, just as I'm doing now). I can entirely believe a townie would be paranoid enough to make a metagame argument like that; thus, the reason I initially trusted you.

But a townie has no reason to false claim. And I know I'm town, therefore you are false claiming. So of course my evaluation of your actions is going to change. If you aren't town, then I have to ask myself what role benefits from making a claim exactly like the one you just made. And the answer is lyncher.

by **mandalorian2298** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:43 pm

Now, THIS is entertainment. :twisted:

Ok, let's see our options. Either Tonka is a lyncher or Aimless is mafia. Well, if Tonka is a lyncher, then he IMO deserves to win for making up a dandy story like that. On the other hand we really need to lynch a mafia today or we're history. So, I choose to belive you tonka, because I have to (since there were no leads that came even close to this one.)
vote Aimless

If Aimless turns to be a townie, Tonka is next.

by **got tonkaed** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:44 pm

method should be fairly explainable by the fact that i felt up until there was a claim that was openly attributed to me that i did not make, it was important to make some kind of strong effort to get momentum against you. If i cant get you lynched today, town goes into tommorow with 12 at best and had i not gone for broke essentially, theres just no way you would have been caught. We both know you are good at scum. You were about ready to set the game back 2 more days with the lets start over bit, which was an easy thing to say and get away with since nothing has happened except the loss of townie after townie. Theres just not time irrespective of my role to not come charging after you because of what you do if you arent lynched.

Im not a lyncher. And to answer your question, any role at all thats not scum would benefit from a dead scum. Especially you with 12 left and nothing but townies dead, which is the scneario if you arent lynched today.

by **Aegnor** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:44 pm

Personally I believe that if tonka was indeed a lyncher he would have used a more subtle way to convince us into lynching you than coming clean like he did. I have a hunch that tonka is telling the truth, and a hunch that Aimless is trying to get away with it by using his rhetoric abilities.

by **Aimless** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:46 pm

Aegnor wrote:
Aimless wrote: If you don't lynch me, he supposedly commits suicide, but you can use that as a confirmation that I'm not scum - either he dies, and the town is down to 12 with 1 confirmed scum (a better situation than the above.

If we don't lynch you and he dies, we do have a confirmed scum BUT, we also get a night kill! Which does not make it "a better situation than the above".

Sure it does. If I'm not scum, you lynch me today and got tonkaed leaves the game on account of winning. Then there is a night kill. At dawn tomorrow, the town is down to 12, and still has no information regarding the scum.

If you don't lynch me, and got tonkaed is telling the truth, then at dawn tomorrow the town is at 12, with one confirmed scum.

If you do lynch me and got tonkaed is telling the truth, tomorrow morning the town is at 13, with one confirmed townie.

If you don't lynch me, and got tonkaed is lying, then tomorrow the town is at 13, with one confirmed town (me), and one confirmed lyncher (got tonkaed).

Either way, the town is better off not lynching me today.

by **MountainLion** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:48 pm

I just read the role of Lyncher and he fits the bill. Sounds like a role that really messes with the game. All the focus is on got tonkaed and Aimless while the submariners get another free pass to Day 3. My vote stands, but like I said before, I'd like to hear from everyone before the day is over.

by **Colaalone** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:48 pm

Aimless wrote:
To the town : I don't believe his claim for a second (although, it's obvious I would say something like this, since he's targeting me), but I do have a proposal. If you lynch me, he wins, leaves the game, and after tonight's NK the town is down to 12. If you don't lynch me, he supposedly commits suicide, but you can use that as a confirmation that I'm not scum - either he dies, and the town is down to 12 with 1 confirmed scum (a better situation than the above), or he lives, the town is at 13, and you have two people who are confirmed not to be mafia.

[IF YOU ARE SCUM] If we don't lynch you today, we have to lynch someone else. That someone else might be a townie. Then we would be at 14. Then tonight we would find out Got Tonkaed was telling the truth when he commits suicide. Then we would be at 13. Tonight mafia would make a hit. Then we would be at 12. We use the lynch to take you out tomorrow. Then we are at 11. That night the mafia would make a hit. Then we would be at 10 for Day 4

THATS 4 POSSIBLE DEAD TOWNIES.

[IF YOU ARE TOWN and GOT TONKAED IS A LYNCHER] We lynch you. Got Tonkaed wins and leaves. Then we would be at 13. Mafia makes a hit. Then we would be at 12 for Day 4.

THATS 2 POSSIBLE DEAD TOWNIES.

Lynching Aimless would be the better choice, right?

EDIT: MEANT TO QUOTE SORRY

by **Aimless** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:49 pm

Let me clarify the above.

If you don't lynch me, the possibilities tomorrow are that the town is at 12 with one confirmed scum or the town is at 13 with a confirmed townie and a confirmed lyncher.

If you do lynch me, then the possibilities for tomorrow are that the town is at 12 with no information on scum, or that the town is at 13 with one confirmed townie.

by **got tonkaed** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:49 pm

aimless the "inconvient truth" (to pretend im al gore now) is that if i dont get you lynched i just die. And frankly it would be hard to believe before morning that you are confirmed scum because there would be nothing that would tell anyone that until my role was revealed in the morning. So that would give you a free night kill and an oppertunity to work your way out of it from there, which you might still be capable of doing.

by **Aegnor** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:50 pm

Aimless wrote:
If you don't lynch me, and got tonkaed is telling the truth, then at dawn tomorrow the town is at 12, with one confirmed scum.
.

Well in that case, in order to get rid of you, we will have to sustain another night kill, leaving us with only 11, out of which who knows how many are scum.

by **wicked** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:54 pm

dude cola, your math sucks! you went one extra day on the first scenario, no wonder there were two more kills! lol

And we don't HAVE to lynch someone today, as someone mentioned. There are instances where a no lynch is more helpful than a lynch later in the game.. this might be one such instance. I'm not sure yet with all the scenarios floating about...

by **mandalorian2298** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:55 pm

Colaalone wrote:
Aimless wrote:To the town : I don't believe his claim for a second (although, it's obvious I would say something like this, since he's targeting me), but I do have a proposal. If you lynch me, he wins, leaves the game, and after tonight's NK the town is down to 12. If you don't lynch me, he supposedly commits suicide, but you can use that as a confirmation that I'm not scum - either he dies, and the town is down to 12 with 1 confirmed scum (a better situation than the above), or he lives, the town is at 13, and you have two people who are confirmed not to be mafia.

[IF YOU ARE SCUM] If we don't lynch you today, we have to lynch someone else. That someone else might be a townie. Then we would be at 14. Then tonight we would find out Got Tonkaed was telling the truth when he commits suicide. Then we would be at 13. Tonight mafia would make a hit. Then we would be at 12. We use the lynch to take you out tomorrow. Then we are at 11. That night the mafia would make a hit. Then we would be at 10 for Day 4

THATS 4 POSSIBLE DEAD TOWNIES.

[IF YOU ARE TOWN and GOT TONKAED IS A LYNCHER] We lynch you. Got Tonkaed wins and leaves. Then we would be at 13. Mafia makes a hit. Then we would be at 12 for Day 4.

THATS 2 POSSIBLE DEAD TOWNIES.

Lynching Aimless would be the better choice, right?

Well, we could also lynch Tonka and if he is the Gambler, lynch Aimless tomorow. But, that role is so perfectly designed!

(by either Narc or Tonka :-k

). Even if it is only a lie, it is by far the best lie I ever heard in a game of mafia. My vote stands for artistic reasons.

by **Aegnor** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:55 pm

Also, cola makes a good argument. If we don't lynch you it will be better for the town that we lynch someone else. Nowhere in your arguments did I see you putting an option where we lynched someone else instead.
A scum would want to avoid a lynch today.

by **wicked** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:56 pm

What if the role blocker blocks Aim tonight and the SK/Vig (assuming there is one, and I think there is) targets Aim?

by **Aimless** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:57 pm

Can we get a Vote Count, please?

I don't want to get hammered by accident.

by **Aegnor** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:58 pm

wicked wrote:What if the role blocker blocks Aim tonight and the SK/Vig (assuming there is one, and I think there is) targets Aim?

Then we enter the realm of endless possibilities. What if there are other people with twisted roles? I think we should stick with what we already know for sure.

by **got tonkaed** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:59 pm

wicked its easy for me to become a conspiracy theorist when you make arguments like this.

If you were a sk, why would you kill aimless tonight, chances are he wont kill you, and it would just be a free lynch tommorow when im proved right and you can work on sniping off another scum. We dont know for sure that theres a vig. We believe there is one but we dont know.

Its just an amazing odd line when there are plenty of options that are viable, do you just have some inner complusion to see me die or something?

by **Aimless** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:00 pm

Aegnor wrote:Also, cola makes a good argument. If we don't lynch you it will be better for the town that we lynch someone else. Nowhere in your arguments did I see you putting an option where we lynched someone else instead.
A scum would want to avoid a lynch today.

There are plenty of other candidates. I didn't put any forward, because that would look like I was trying to change the subject, which is scummy.

I think IGS would be a good target, and I have my doubts about Syzygy as well.

by **wicked** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:01 pm

I'm just trying to think of all the options, or any possible win-win scenarios for the town, or how other power roles might be useful. We still have time to discuss.

by **mandalorian2298** on Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:01 pm

C'mon wicked! Wouldn't lynching jnd for the fact that he is submarrining whenever he is not defending himself, feel a bit mundane after this DUEL! :lol:

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