Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

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[Gillipig]

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[Gillipig]

And just a note to Betiko in particular, don't click on the spoilers unless you want to completely ruin the next three seasons of game of thrones for yourself. Seriously these are not minor spoilers we're talking about here, Patches even started referencing a text that has been pre released from the sixth book imao. Something even I didn't know about.

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I think it may be prudent to start a new thread regarding the books and discussion of them there. With season 4 ending and book 6 soon to be published, it is getting difficult to not spoil certain things or discuss others without balancing the spoilers.

I clicked on a couple of the past stream of spoilers and decided they were way too advanced for where we are in the show and even the books right now. We've mostly used spoilers to discuss how scenes in the show are going to affect impending events, but these spoilers are getting really far beyond that and would be better served in their own thread.

On an entirely different note, I just finished rewatching season 1. There's something that always bothered me about Jaime Lannister being captured by Robb and that entire storyline, which I finally figured out.

Why the f*ck is Jaime Lannister, as a member of the Kingsguard, allowed to ride out of King's Landing, don Lannister red armour, and participate in Tywin's war against Robb Stark? He's not defending the King, he's not defending the realm, he's not serving the king's justice, he's being a Lannister fighting in a Lannister war. So why was he allowed to leave and participate without anyone questioning it? Further, he's raised to captain of the Kingsgaurd while he's a captive!

When Sandor Clegane bails on King's Landing in season 2, he is stripped of his post as a member of the Kingsguard. Why not treat Jaime the same?

[patches70]

Yeah, betiko, don't click the spoilers.

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I won't spoil anything coming up, cause I don't know know anything coming up. Even if I did I wouldn't spoil it for ya. My predictions are pure conjecture, just musings.

[patches70]

Why the f*ck is Jaime Lannister, as a member of the Kingsguard, allowed to ride out of King's Landing, don Lannister red armour, and participate in Tywin's war against Robb Stark? He's not defending the King, he's not defending the realm, he's not serving the king's justice, he's being a Lannister fighting in a Lannister war. So why was he allowed to leave and participate without anyone questioning it? Further, he's raised to captain of the Kingsgaurd while he's a captive!

Kingsguard have always been used in that capacity, the leading of troops into battle. What Jamie did was no different than plenty of other Kingsguard's from the past.

Remember, there were three Kingsguard at the tower guarding Lyanna when Ned Stark and company came during the rebellion. The Mad King could have used them in King's Landing...heh heh. The Crown regularly sends the King'sguard off to do tasks.

[Gillipig]

Yeah, betiko, don't click the spoilers.

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I won't spoil anything coming up, cause I don't know know anything coming up. Even if I did I wouldn't spoil it for ya. My predictions are pure conjecture, just musings.

Dude, those are spoilers,

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[Gillipig]

I think it may be prudent to start a new thread regarding the books and discussion of them there. With season 4 ending and book 6 soon to be published, it is getting difficult to not spoil certain things or discuss others without balancing the spoilers.

I clicked on a couple of the past stream of spoilers and decided they were way too advanced for where we are in the show and even the books right now. We've mostly used spoilers to discuss how scenes in the show are going to affect impending events, but these spoilers are getting really far beyond that and would be better served in their own thread.

On an entirely different note, I just finished rewatching season 1. There's something that always bothered me about Jaime Lannister being captured by Robb and that entire storyline, which I finally figured out.

Why the f*ck is Jaime Lannister, as a member of the Kingsguard, allowed to ride out of King's Landing, don Lannister red armour, and participate in Tywin's war against Robb Stark? He's not defending the King, he's not defending the realm, he's not serving the king's justice, he's being a Lannister fighting in a Lannister war. So why was he allowed to leave and participate without anyone questioning it? Further, he's raised to captain of the Kingsgaurd while he's a captive!

When Sandor Clegane bails on King's Landing in season 2, he is stripped of his post as a member of the Kingsguard. Why not treat Jaime the same?

Everything except him donning the lannister armor can easily be explained, Sandor left without permission, we have to assume that Lord Tywin being the hand of the king himself took care of the neccesary paperwork before his son joined him. As Patches said it's been done in times of war before. Jaimie wasn't fighting in a lannister war, Rob's rebellion was against King Joffrey, not Lord Tywin. Tywin's forces are only aiding the king in his own succession war. perfectly legit reason to send a Kingsguard away for. Can't explain why he is allowed to take off his Kingsguard armor though, seems to be a bit of a hole in the logic.
Him being appointed captain of the kingsguard while not in kings landing doesn't bother me and I don't see why that would not be possible, why is that such a big deal?

Well there's a reason it's between spoiler tags. What do you mean "where we are in the books right now"? We have to assume that people who have read the books have read them up until the latest one that has been released. It was released three years ago so everyone has had plenty of time to read it by now. We can't assume the book readers have only read up until the fourth book, the fourth book was released nine years ago.
A new thread would never take off, I don't see the problem, if someone hasn't read the books all he needs to do is not read the spoilers, if someone hasn't read all the available books he also probably shouldn't read the spoilers. I know it's tempting to peek, and I would be very tempted to peek as well if I hadn't read them, but there's not a lot of blatant spoiling going on. You can always try to read between the lines of the book readers and guess who lives and who doesn't, but unless it's being bluntly stated you can't know whether you're just imagining it or not.

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yeah Betiko don't click on the spoilers. Me on the other hand...

[betiko]

yeah Betiko don't click on the spoilers. Me on the other hand...

did you do it?

i kept away from it. already got a major spoiler from gillipig a few weeks ago!

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I didn't read any but I know of some spoilers.


Thanks /b/...

[Gillipig]

You want some lovin AoG is that it? I thought you didn't have emotions, other than inferiority complex......Napoleon complex.....Oedipus complex......and whatever complex little people have towards normal folks.
I'm fairly sure those are emotions you frequently experience but other than that, meh, not convinced yet.

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Ser Alliser Thorne, you all know him as the asshole in temporarily in charge at the wall. He hates Jon Snow and Jon Snow hates him. But Thorne turned out to be a pretty decent leader and a good fighter. And it's not surprising if people knew where he came from.

As you series watcher's know, Thorne at the start of season 1 was the master at arms at Castle Black. He train new recruits how to fight and such. But has it ever been explained how Ser Alliser Thorne wound up at the Wall in the first place? I'm trying to remember if that was ever explained in the series, but I know and here it is.

During Robert's rebellion Ser Alliser fought for the House Targaryen. He was at King's Landing, defending the walls when the city was sacked.
After the sack of King's Landing, after all the rape and murder and all the other things that go on during a sack of a city, Alliser Thorne was taken prisoner. Soon enough he stood before Tywin Lannister and Tywin gave Alliser Thorne a choice. "Your head or The Wall".

Thorne wisely chose The Wall. And he's been there ever since.
He's a competent knight, a good fighter and a decent leader. He is an asshole, especially to Jon Snow, but meh, given the Rebellion and that Jon's father was a primary figure in that rebellion, his hatred of Jon is pretty understandable.

I'm trying to remember, did Alliser have any interactions with Tyrion when the Imp came to visit the Wall in season 1?
I figure Alliser would have been an asshole to Tyrion as well, because I'm pretty sure that Thorne doesn't like the Lannisters very much either.

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Also, a bit of trivia. The former Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, Jeor Mormont, you remember him, murdered by the deserting crows as Caster's Keep. The big burly fellow who once forbid Sam Tarly to die.

Well, Jeor Mormont is Jorah Mormont's father. Jorah, recently released from the service of Mother of Dragons, Daenerys.

Before joining the Night's Watch, Jeor marched off to war with Ned Stark during the rebellion. After the war Jeor abdicated his Lordship on Bear Island and joined the Night's Watch leaving his son as the new Lord of Bear Island.

When Jorah fled Westeros (to keep his head and avoid Ned Stark's sword), Jorah left his House's Valyrian steel sword, Longclaw. This sword was delivered to Jeor at The Wall. Which later, Jeor gave that very sword to Jon Snow.

And of course, we see Longclaw in the last episode, disemboweling wildlings and at the end of the episode Jon giving Longclaw to Sam for safe keeping.
Longclaw is an ancient and famous sword in Westeros. And Jorah's family sword is now owned by Jon Snow. Or maybe by Sam Tarly, depending on how Jon's meeting goes with Mance!
Hahaha!

[betiko]

Yes i did follow evereything about the mormonts (why would the sword have a wolf on its handle though?)

Regarding allister thorne, no i didn t follow any of it. I don t remember every guy in the night s watch since season one, and year after year, there are some very minor characters that you forget about since nothing tells you they will still be around in future seasons, and you see them very sporadically.

By the way; just heard that the actress that does shae is an ex porn actress.

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It used to be a bear but I am pretty sure that Jeor had it redone as a wolf for Jon (the old bear had been worn out after long use).

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Yes i did follow evereything about the mormonts (why would the sword have a wolf on its handle though?)

That's how the sword was when it was given to Jon Snow. Jeor had put Longclaw away, because the sight of the sword reminded Jeor of his family's shame. Jorah, when he fled Bear Island was graceful enough to leave the sword. These family swords have special significance to the Houses.
The wolf on the hilt put there by Jeor to give the sword to Jon Snow, in the hopes that Snow would bring honor back to the sword. Kind of to signify the passing of the valuable family sword to a new family.

By the way; just heard that the actress that does shae is an ex porn actress.

Yep.

In fact, there were three other porn actresses playing various parts in GoT, season 4. I'd have to look up their names, mainly extra type parts. Considering the amount of tits and ass on the show, hiring porn actresses isn't a bad idea.

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Longclaw is a bastard sword. It's a good six inches longer than a standard long sword.
Longclaw had been carried by Mormonts for five hundred years before Jeor gave it to Jon Snow. It's an ancient sword. And yeah, it once had a bear's head on the pommel.

The bear's head though didn't wear out, it was burned and melted in the fire when the wight attacked Jeor and Jon Snow saved the Lord Commander's life. Jeor had the pommel remade into a wolf head before he gave it to Jon Snow.

Yeah, a bastard sword for a bastard, an appropriate weapon for Jon Snow.

[Gillipig]

Yes i did follow evereything about the mormonts (why would the sword have a wolf on its handle though?)

Regarding allister thorne, no i didn t follow any of it. I don t remember every guy in the night s watch since season one, and year after year, there are some very minor characters that you forget about since nothing tells you they will still be around in future seasons, and you see them very sporadically.

By the way; just heard that the actress that does shae is an ex porn actress.

I had actually seen her in porn before I saw her in GoT so I knew all along, there are a couple of other actresses in GoT that are in the porn business as well. One of them I had also seen in porn before I saw her in GoT. All porn actresses play whores of different varieties though so it's not like they're giving them roles they can't handle .

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Also, a bit of trivia. The former Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, Jeor Mormont, you remember him, murdered by the deserting crows as Caster's Keep. The big burly fellow who once forbid Sam Tarly to die.

Well, Jeor Mormont is Jorah Mormont's father. Jorah, recently released from the service of Mother of Dragons, Daenerys.

Before joining the Night's Watch, Jeor marched off to war with Ned Stark during the rebellion. After the war Jeor abdicated his Lordship on Bear Island and joined the Night's Watch leaving his son as the new Lord of Bear Island.

When Jorah fled Westeros (to keep his head and avoid Ned Stark's sword), Jorah left his House's Valyrian steel sword, Longclaw. This sword was delivered to Jeor at The Wall. Which later, Jeor gave that very sword to Jon Snow.

And of course, we see Longclaw in the last episode, disemboweling wildlings and at the end of the episode Jon giving Longclaw to Sam for safe keeping.
Longclaw is an ancient and famous sword in Westeros. And Jorah's family sword is now owned by Jon Snow. Or maybe by Sam Tarly, depending on how Jon's meeting goes with Mance!
Hahaha!

Also Podrick Payne, Tyrion and now Brienne's squire, a comedic character with good intentions is related to Ser Ilyn Payne, the frightening mute executioner for the Lannisters!

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Also Podrick Payne, Tyrion and now Brienne's squire, a comedic character with good intentions is related to Ser Ilyn Payne, the frightening mute executioner for the Lannisters!

Yes! Pod is a distant cousin to Ilyn Payne.

[Army of GOD]

Podrick is the tits

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