D.T.W.A.

[GreecePwns]

i do talk about them. not in this thread though, because both sides of the issue have merit, and i have neither personal experience nor expertise on the subject at hand (welfare/drugs) so i'm not participating, just calling out intellectual dishonesty when i see it. is that ok with you, or would you rather i take a side and start bashing the people who don't agree with me? that's a lot more fun, isn't it?

A quick look at your posts give us exactly that.

What is with liberals and hating Ron Paul? MSNBC sure did work on you guys huh? Ron Paul is closer to you than 95% of conservatives, but you're too stupid and closed-minded to see it.

when they think they're the majority, we're a bunch of fringe bigots. when we reveal to them that they're in the minority, it turns into "whatever, man, americans are dumb anyway". liberals fucking crack me up.

You are chock full of facts, but you spend too much time trying to weasel your way out of any actual reasoning by blinding us with walls of text, and now you're descending even further into the flat-out "insult your opponent" method which has already been adopted by most other liberals on the forum.

the intellectual side has become more numerous than the rabid, race baiting, Liberals.

And here's one of many examples of the john9blue's signature just coming in to high five a point made by a conservative

original post with facts and a valid point
one sentence retort/insult by a liberal
one sentence retort/insult by another liberal
sarcastic parody of retorts by another conservative
pwning of previous liberals by same conservative
...yep this thread is par for the course

The sad thing is, and it shows in the abortion thread and in other posts, that you really try hard to show that this isn't you. You say you're middle of the road and pointing out intellectual dishonesty, but couldn't be arsed to respond to Scotty or Night Strike. You say you expound on your political positions, yet your posts are mostly of this variety. And then after you make a meager attempt at proving a point, you say that you've demolished the person's logic and that, no matter what they say afterward, that their posts have no content. It's happened on many occasions and if you want me to find those too, I certainly will.

So misunderstood.

[Woodruff]

i do talk about them. not in this thread though, because both sides of the issue have merit, and i have neither personal experience nor expertise on the subject at hand (welfare/drugs) so i'm not participating, just calling out intellectual dishonesty when i see it.

The hell you are. Either that or you're completely blind to a large majority of that being expressed here.

is that ok with you, or would you rather i take a side and start bashing the people who don't agree with me? that's a lot more fun, isn't it?

Actually, that's PRECISELY what you're doing. You're simply trying to couch it as if you're in the middle. But nobody's buying it any more.

[Woodruff]

At what point do we have to indulge every idiotic argument with a proper refutation? When a raving lunatic comes over foaming at the mouth that everyone is secretly reptoids or whatever, will you spend your valuable time comprehensively explaining to him how there's no actual proof of that kind of thing being even theoretically possible, or will you just ask if he has any more of whatever it is he's been smoking? (personally, I'd go for the latter.)

You sure have spent a lot of time indulging this thread, all the while including zero substance and a lot of context dropping. Probably the most idiotic of all arguing thus far...how intelligent is it to call people names and put other words in their mouths that they never said and isn't even close to the matter at hand?

You mean like you did with natty_dread, hypocrite?

[Woodruff]

telling someone to try it is horrible advice.

It isn't horrible advice if it's something they really should do.

Not to mention, the way she said it, implied to me "don't listen to your parents" cuz ya know, Natty is just thug like that

You may well be the most dishonest individual I've ever had the misfortune of being associated with in any way.

[Dukasaur]

Can I prescribe a nice Valium for everyone involved in this thread?

With or without state subsidy.

[Phatscotty]

telling someone to try it is horrible advice.

It isn't horrible advice if it's something they really should do.

Not to mention, the way she said it, implied to me "don't listen to your parents" cuz ya know, Natty is just thug like that

You may well be the most dishonest individual I've ever had the misfortune of being associated with in any way.

smear slander smear smear slander

compliments!

[Phatscotty]

facts.

Many states already have curbs to prevent people from spending their welfare money on cigarettes, lottery tickets and liquor. Welfare recipients are even restricted in my state from using their cards at ATM's. They also cannot use their benefits out of state and they must have a photo ID when they use the benefits.

Question.

Why do all you guys think drugs are okay for people on welfare? How are drugs different from beer or smokes or lottery tickets?

[Woodruff]

facts.

Many states already have curbs to prevent people from spending their welfare money on cigarettes, lottery tickets and liquor. Welfare recipients are even restricted in my state from using their cards at ATM's. They also cannot use their benefits out of state and they must have a photo ID when they use the benefits.

Question.

Why do all you guys think drugs are okay for people on welfare? How are drugs different from beer or smokes or lottery tickets?

You talk about facts and then ask two questions that are based so completely on a lack of facts that it's incomprehensible you could ask them. Who of us has even hinted that "drugs are ok for people on welfare"? Who here has suggested that "drugs are different from beer or smokes or lottery tickets"?

[Phatscotty]

16 votes saying we should not drug test for welfare is a hint.

ya stick.

[john9blue]

A quick look at your posts give us exactly that.

The sad thing is, and it shows in the abortion thread and in other posts, that you really try hard to show that this isn't you. You say you're middle of the road and pointing out intellectual dishonesty, but couldn't be arsed to respond to Scotty or Night Strike. You say you expound on your political positions, yet your posts are mostly of this variety. And then after you make a meager attempt at proving a point, you say that you've demolished the person's logic and that, no matter what they say afterward, that their posts have no content. It's happened on many occasions and if you want me to find those too, I certainly will.

So misunderstood.

omg you did some research! lol. i'm kind of impressed actually. i think i could cobble together some of my quotes and make myself look like a huge douchebag, so thanks for not doing that lol.

i'm not middle of the road, how could a ron paul supporter be "middle of the road"? he's on the fringe (some would say the lunatic fringe). just because i refuse to take a stand on every single issue in accordance with whatever party i happen to support doesn't make me middle of the road lol.

i've criticized scotty in the past, although it's rare and usually amicable. just because we happen to agree on a lot of things doesn't mean we're always jerking each other off in every thread. same with night strike, although i could probably find a lot of stuff we disagreed on if i asked.

if you want me to elaborate on something, just ask, i'm not going to decline unless i'm busy, in which case i try to remember to revisit it. and don't we all believe that we've demolished the opposing viewpoint's logic? hell, we all believe that the opposing viewpoint doesn't have much logic to begin with.

keep putting words in my mouth though, i hardly do any of the shit you say i do, and i don't think i've ever called myself misunderstood, except when there's an obvious and simple misunderstanding that i try to clear up.

when exactly did this whole argument start? you seem to think i'm only criticizing one person or side of the issue, when i'm just trying to get the discussion out of the juvenile quagmire it's been in for a while.

[Woodruff]

16 votes saying we should not drug test for welfare is a hint.

If you consider that a "hint", you must not take yourself very seriously. I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you.

[Woodruff]

you seem to think i'm only criticizing one person or side of the issue, when i'm just trying to get the discussion out of the juvenile quagmire it's been in for a while.

I see...so you are attempting to highlight the intellectual dishonesty in the thread by openly displaying your own brand of intellectual dishonesty, perhaps in an attempt at sarcasm? It's an interesting tactic...but not one that would seem to be very effective.

[john9blue]

According to john, intellectual dishonesty is not a sign of intellectual dishonesty. Mocking it apparently is.

mocking it is intellectual dishonesty. mocking the mockery is also intellectual dishonesty. get it now?

Yes, I've got it now...you're intellectually dishonest. But at least it has nothing to do with mockery...unless you're trying to make a mockery of intellectual integrity.

how did you get this from my quote?? explain please?

[john9blue]

Natty is a child. Give her a break and take her advice. Do lots of drugs, question the values that your creators instilled in you, and if it feels good do it.

More lies by Phatscotty. See where the intellectual integrity is, John?

that's not a lie, that's scotty being a douche lol.

[Phatscotty]

Natty is a child. Give her a break and take her advice. Do lots of drugs, question the values that your creators instilled in you, and if it feels good do it.

More lies by Phatscotty. See where the intellectual integrity is, John?

that's not a lie, that's scotty being a douche lol.

I must treat Natty the way she treats me. She's the new Pimpdave or something.

[Woodruff]

Natty is a child. Give her a break and take her advice. Do lots of drugs, question the values that your creators instilled in you, and if it feels good do it.

More lies by Phatscotty. See where the intellectual integrity is, John?

that's not a lie, that's scotty being a douche lol.

It's not a lie? Really? Perhaps then, since Phatscotty has neglected to do so, you can point to where natty_dread gave that advice?

[Woodruff]

According to john, intellectual dishonesty is not a sign of intellectual dishonesty. Mocking it apparently is.

mocking it is intellectual dishonesty. mocking the mockery is also intellectual dishonesty. get it now?

Yes, I've got it now...you're intellectually dishonest. But at least it has nothing to do with mockery...unless you're trying to make a mockery of intellectual integrity.

how did you get this from my quote?? explain please?

I didn't get it solely from that quote of yours. I gained that perception from gathering together the sum of your statements over time.

[john9blue]

natty's not close to as bad as dave. natty can and has made good points sometimes, dave doesn't contribute anything but the occasional funny gif.

@woodruff: sorry bro, my bad, it's a lie but lying in order to try and logically prove something is much less obvious, and probably worse, than lying in order to demean someone.

and you can perceive what you like. and i perceive things about people who align most closely with a liberal ideology, as greece demonstrated. cuz perception is awesome.

[Phatscotty]

Natty is a child. Give her a break and take her advice. Do lots of drugs, question the values that your creators instilled in you, and if it feels good do it.

More lies by Phatscotty. See where the intellectual integrity is, John?

that's not a lie, that's scotty being a douche lol.

It's not a lie? Really? Perhaps then, since Phatscotty has neglected to do so, you can point to where natty_dread gave that advice?

Why is mr. put the wrong words in everyone's mouth all up in arms that somebody correctl repeated what another said? You know Natty does drugs, she talks about it all the time. Why in the world would you doubt that one/call it a lie? If it feels good do it is Liberalism 101, why do you doubt that/a lie? Just a few pages ago she said to give questioning your parents values a try, as if people don't do that automatically if it doesn't make sense to them. Why is that a lie. SHE JUST SAID IT!!!!

Oh, it's Phatscotty. Just call him a liar and move on.

CCMM (conquerclub Media Matters) Gang of Four - Woody, Greecepwns, Player, Natty

[Symmetry]

Natty is a child. Give her a break and take her advice. Do lots of drugs, question the values that your creators instilled in you, and if it feels good do it.

More lies by Phatscotty. See where the intellectual integrity is, John?

that's not a lie, that's scotty being a douche lol.

It's not a lie? Really? Perhaps then, since Phatscotty has neglected to do so, you can point to where natty_dread gave that advice?

Why is mr. put the wrong words in everyone's mouth all up in arms that somebody correctl repeated what another said? You know Natty does drugs, she talks about it all the time. Why in the world would you doubt that one/call it a lie? If it feels good do it is Liberalism 101, why do you doubt that/a lie? Just a few pages ago she said to give questioning your parents values a try, as if people don't do that automatically if it doesn't make sense to them. Why is that a lie. SHE JUST SAID IT!!!!

Oh, it's Phatscotty. Just call him a liar and move on.

CCMM (conquerclub Media Matters) Gang of Four - Woody, Greecepwns, Player, Natty

wow

[Phatscotty]

yeah symm, it was going to be Fox Force Five.

But you are actually reasonable so I kicked you out.

[natty dread]

OMG, I go to sleep for a few hours and hey just look at this bog of stupid that just appeared at my feet... I'm gonna need a fucking canoe or something here.

Also Phatscotty, I'm sorry but even if you want to pretend that I'm female, it's still gay if you fantasize about me... not that I mind, you know, just as a heads up...

You know Natty does drugs, she talks about it all the time. Why in the world would you doubt that one/call it a lie?

Oh sure I do, but not nearly as much as I used to. I've also cut back on the casual sodomy, but I digress...

Anyway, you have yet to point out where I have endorsed or otherwise enticed anyone else to doing drugs. Or perhaps you're saying I'm such a hugely popular and charismatic person that people can't help but follow my example? What happened to Libertarian values? Aren't people rational actors anymore?

Oh, it's Phatscotty. Just call him a liar and move on.

Oh look, it's Phatscotty. Just call him out on his strawman arguments and move on.

[Phatscotty]

OMG, I go to sleep for a few hours and hey just look at this bog of stupid that just appeared at my feet... I'm gonna need a fucking canoe or something here.

Also Phatscotty, I'm sorry but even if you want to pretend that I'm female, it's still gay if you fantasize about me... not that I mind, you know, just as a heads up...

You know Natty does drugs, she talks about it all the time. Why in the world would you doubt that one/call it a lie?

Oh sure I do, but not nearly as much as I used to. I've also cut back on the casual sodomy, but I digress...

Anyway, you have yet to point out where I have endorsed or otherwise enticed anyone else to doing drugs. Or perhaps you're saying I'm such a hugely popular and charismatic person that people can't help but follow my example? What happened to Libertarian values? Aren't people rational actors anymore?

Oh, it's Phatscotty. Just call him a liar and move on.

Oh look, it's Phatscotty. Just call him out on his personal accountability arguments and move on.

Truth

[GreecePwns]

yeah symm, it was going to be Fox Force Five.

But you are actually reasonable so I kicked you out.

How did you decide who was reasonable and who was not? Is there a rubric of some sort?

Still looking for the part where natty said everyone else should do a lot of drugs. I shouldn't bother asking you though, because you won't actually provide a source for this claim.

[GreecePwns]

omg you did some research! lol. i'm kind of impressed actually. i think i could cobble together some of my quotes and make myself look like a huge douchebag, so thanks for not doing that lol.

You act as if you're above the whole "chose one side and bash the other stuff" when that's pretty much all you've manage to do. That is my response. And if you think my political posts are without any evidence or research you quite simply don't read any of them. I think BBS or someone can vouch for me here. Or, you know, you doing some reasearch. lol.

i'm not middle of the road, how could a ron paul supporter be "middle of the road"? he's on the fringe (some would say the lunatic fringe). just because i refuse to take a stand on every single issue in accordance with whatever party i happen to support doesn't make me middle of the road lol.

"deep down people know it, but the middle ground is boring, which is why people rarely take it."
"in fact i agree with some liberals more than i agree with some conservatives"

and i don't think i've ever called myself misunderstood, except when there's an obvious and simple misunderstanding that i try to clear up.

I'm sorry, misrepresented. In this thread:
"funny how you accuse me of that, yet my political views are mis-represented more than almost anyone on this forum. labels are there for convenience; i wouldn't place anyone in a box and accuse them of believing something that i have no reason to think they believe."

keep putting words in my mouth though, i hardly do any of the shit you say i do,

Except for when I've provided many examples right here.