D.T.W.A.

[PLAYER57832]

right, because as you have proven, there are 0 free rehab clinics in the state of Florida.

No, but none of your points have proven valid.

Also, its welfare applicants who are being tested, not just those getting benefits.

[Phatscotty]

Just because I can't find the post does not mean it doesn't exist.

What is you guys point? do you even disagree about the rehab clinics? No, its all gotchya. Wow, cool.

[PLAYER57832]

Just because I can't find the post does not mean it doesn't exist.

What is you guys point? do you even disagree about the rehab clinics? No, its all gotchya. Wow, cool.

Your post is there, but the link is broken.

I did, however post a link about the true number of rehab clinics in Florida. You never bothered to verify it. It might have even been the one you intended to cite, because it did start by seeming to show all kinds of rehab clinics. HOWEVER, when you read down, it turned out that most of those were for alchohol. Of those for drugs, only a handful were for the drugs that cause the most concern. (meth, etc.).


this is a different link, http://www.drugrehabclinics.net/florida/ but note this part

It is important to find funding options for alcohol and drug addiction treatment in Florida. Addiction treatment is always expensive, but Florida is one of the most expensive places for all kinds of addiction treatment. The dearness of treatment here stems out from the fact that Florida is a very popular state for getting addiction treatment. Even people from other places enroll in programs for rehab treatment in Florida. But that makes the prices dearer because high demand always leads to escalation of prices.

Here is another one.http://rehab-international.org/florida-rehab

On an unrelated note, I was rather disturbed that the FIRST link I got was an "empty" space looking for someone to advertise a clinic. And.. then a series of private places.

The link I found before was specifically titled free drug rehab clinics.

At any rate, the thing is you just posted a link, did not really bother to verify anything.
for your information to dispute every other link I have found and for you to STILL claim your facts were valid.. means you are well, either intentionally deceptive or very stupid.

[Phatscotty]

omg player. TY! I owe you one. Thanks so much. WIN!

You can ask anything of me at anytime, and I shall grant your wish.

p.s. How didn't you guys know this whole time I was just sitting back and letting someone else find it?

Honestly I tried about 8 times. The juvenillishness of the matter was no motivator however

[PLAYER57832]

omg player. TY! I owe you one. Thanks so much. WIN!

You can ask anything of me at anytime, and I shall grant your wish.

p.s. How didn't you guys know this whole time I was just sitting back and letting someone else find it?

Honestly I tried about 8 times. The juvenillishness of the matter was no motivator however

No DICE.. I gave you think links a LONG time ago.

[john9blue]

omg player. TY! I owe you one. Thanks so much. WIN!

You can ask anything of me at anytime, and I shall grant your wish.

p.s. How didn't you guys know this whole time I was just sitting back and letting someone else find it?

Honestly I tried about 8 times. The juvenillishness of the matter was no motivator however

wat. this is a bad excuse lol.

[Woodruff]

I never said McCain

Ah, you're right...I read into that. I was surprised that you'd bring his name up, given his age alone. I'm not familiar with Cain, actually...I'll have to do some research.

and Bachmann probably does prefer the Tea Party over big government.

Not based on her voting record or her previous actions, such as directly benefiting from government farm subsidies to the tune of $260,000 between 2006 and 2009. That is according to her own financial disclosure forms. That doesn't seem like the sort of thing someone with the ideals of a Tea Partier would do. Does it to you?

Some more interesting information in this vein:
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/07/28/282221/bachmann-defends-using-federal-loans-she-denounced-its-almost-impossible-to-buy-a-home-without-them/

[PLAYER57832]

omg player. TY! I owe you one. Thanks so much. WIN!

You can ask anything of me at anytime, and I shall grant your wish.

p.s. How didn't you guys know this whole time I was just sitting back and letting someone else find it?

Honestly I tried about 8 times. The juvenillishness of the matter was no motivator however

No DICE.. I gave you think links a LONG time ago.

PS.... This all started because of a link YOU POSTED originally, then could not back up. So... again, what this really shows is that you have no integrity at all. You make claims, cannot be bothered to verify even your own links/data... (we OFTEN find errors.. you claiming they said something they did not), then you just drop it all or turn to ridicule, as you did above.

[Phatscotty]

I though you said you found the link I was looking for? and that it was broken?

Sorry if I misunderstood.

You are right tho. There are zero free rehab clinics in the state of Florida, and for some reason I have to prove there are free rehab clinics in Florida? It's the dumbest fact-check request ever, it's like proving the sky is blue.

The sky is blue and there are free rehab clinics all over Florida.

[Woodruff]

I though you said you found the link I was looking for? and that it was broken?

Sorry if I misunderstood.

You are right tho. There are zero free rehab clinics in the state of Florida, and for some reason I have to prove there are free rehab clinics in Florida? It's the dumbest fact-check request ever, it's like proving the sky is blue.

The sky is blue and there are free rehab clinics all over Florida.

So are your tap shoes comfortable, or do they chafe when you use them so often?

[jgordon1111]

i believe if you are on welfare you definetly need to be tested not only for drug abuse,but alcohol abuse as well. i have a sister in law 47 years old who worked a half day in her entire life,claimed that it made her to uncomfortable and then recieved a check every month since then. her only problem is and always has been she is an alcoholic.and we pay for her to be. i refuse to be any where that she is,under any circumstances. i love standing in line at a convience store and watch someone pay with one of those cards and then buy lotto tickets. i said something to one of those people once and got told to f off it wasnt my business that they were buying $200.00 worth of scratch tickets, i told her yes i was one of the people working so she could get her monthly check and she then then laughed and said good,keep doing it she would enjoy the benefits of my job until she died,and her children would then enjoy them. then she proceeded to the parking lot got into her escalade with spinner rims and left giving me the finger and laughing

[natty dread]

i believe if you are on welfare you definetly need to be tested not only for drug abuse,but alcohol abuse as well.

So you don't mind that testing those people will cost you more than just paying them?

[PLAYER57832]

I though you said you found the link I was looking for? and that it was broken?

The link you provided came back "url not found". So, not a true link any longer. Correct.

You are right tho. There are zero free rehab clinics in the state of Florida, and for some reason I have to prove there are free rehab clinics in Florida? It's the dumbest fact-check request ever, it's like proving the sky is blue.

The sky is blue and there are free rehab clinics all over Florida.

Uh.no. You stated that there were free drug rehab clinics in every county in Florida. Several people challenged you on that. I looked and found very contrary data (there are clinics, not necessarily free, but most are for alchohol, only a few are for drugs).

You also claimed that therer were tests for about $15.00 -- but again, the only ones anybody else could find were tests for marihuana only. You sort of danced aroudn whether testing just for marihuana was appropriate or not, implying that it was a real problem, but also acknowledging that hard drugs were much worse.

And.. you keep trying to claim that anyone against YOUR position is somehow in favor of just letting all drugs be legal, having no follow ups or restrictions on welfare. That is absolutely not true.

So... this is pretty much one of your most dishonest and even outright stupid attempts to prove "your" point I have ever seen.. and you made some doozies in the health care thread already!

[Woodruff]

i believe if you are on welfare you definetly need to be tested not only for drug abuse,but alcohol abuse as well. i have a sister in law 47 years old who worked a half day in her entire life,claimed that it made her to uncomfortable and then recieved a check every month since then. her only problem is and always has been she is an alcoholic.and we pay for her to be. i refuse to be any where that she is,under any circumstances. i love standing in line at a convience store and watch someone pay with one of those cards and then buy lotto tickets. i said something to one of those people once and got told to f off it wasnt my business that they were buying $200.00 worth of scratch tickets, i told her yes i was one of the people working so she could get her monthly check and she then then laughed and said good,keep doing it she would enjoy the benefits of my job until she died,and her children would then enjoy them. then she proceeded to the parking lot got into her escalade with spinner rims and left giving me the finger and laughing

I don't at all disagree that something must be done about cases like these. Neither does PLAYER. I am not a fan of the current implementation of welfare, not at all. But I do believe in the concept of welfare, if it is intelligently implemented. However, drug testing welfare recipients quite simply is not an efficient nor effective concept. Much as I honestly do hate to say it, it's not at all worth the money that would be spent in doing so for the little benefit (getting some few drug users off the welfare rolls but doing nothing at all to help them with their problem and not recouping nearly the amount spent on the testing).

[jgordon1111]

take the fieteen dollars out of thier check/make it random/percentage wise for the area they live in/then plce them in a facility and give them the check we were giving to the reciepiant /until they are able to re enter society

[GreecePwns]

take the fieteen dollars out of thier check/make it random/percentage wise for the area they live in/then plce them in a facility and give them the check we were giving to the reciepiant /until they are able to re enter society

I hope I'm reading this wrong, because this sounds like throwing people in prison in order to receive welfare.

[natty dread]

take the fieteen dollars out of thier check/make it random/percentage wise for the area they live in/then plce them in a facility and give them the check we were giving to the reciepiant /until they are able to re enter society

That doesn't even rhyme.

[PLAYER57832]

i believe if you are on welfare you definetly need to be tested not only for drug abuse,but alcohol abuse as well. i have a sister in law 47 years old who worked a half day in her entire life,claimed that it made her to uncomfortable and then recieved a check every month since then. her only problem is and always has been she is an alcoholic.and we pay for her to be. i refuse to be any where that she is,under any circumstances. i love standing in line at a convience store and watch someone pay with one of those cards and then buy lotto tickets. i said something to one of those people once and got told to f off it wasnt my business that they were buying $200.00 worth of scratch tickets, i told her yes i was one of the people working so she could get her monthly check and she then then laughed and said good,keep doing it she would enjoy the benefits of my job until she died,and her children would then enjoy them. then she proceeded to the parking lot got into her escalade with spinner rims and left giving me the finger and laughing

I don't at all disagree that something must be done about cases like these. Neither does PLAYER. I am not a fan of the current implementation of welfare, not at all. But I do believe in the concept of welfare, if it is intelligently implemented. However, drug testing welfare recipients quite simply is not an efficient nor effective concept. Much as I honestly do hate to say it, it's not at all worth the money that would be spent in doing so for the little benefit (getting some few drug users off the welfare rolls but doing nothing at all to help them with their problem and not recouping nearly the amount spent on the testing).

Agreed, I am not saying drug users should be ignored, not at all. i am saying this just is not an effective means of catching those who are addicted.

And, I want to clarify something, this program is not even just about testing those actually getting assistance, the requirement is that people pay up front before they even apply and then, only if they qualify for the assistance, will they be refunded the price. This is, more than anything else, an application fee. I fully believe that, and the bonus to the investors of this testing company, are the sole reasons for this.

[john9blue]

roses are red/violets are blue/i don't want to pay for poor people's drug addictions/and neither should you

[natty dread]

roses are red / f*ck off.



...mine is better

[Woodruff]

take the fieteen dollars out of thier check

It's not fifteen dollars, it's fifty-five.

make it random

How does that help make it an effective, efficient system that won't cost more money in the long-term?

then plce them in a facility and give them the check we were giving to the reciepiant /until they are able to re enter society

This is an interesting thought, and I'll at least give you credit for trying to help the few who would be caught by this system. However, $360 per month would barely cover food, never mind the medical assistance that would be needed in such a facility. Given that drug rehabilitation centers are rarely free, should those workers do it for free?

[Woodruff]

roses are red/violets are blue/i don't want to pay for poor people's drug addictions/and neither should you

Thanks, Phatscotty.

[natty dread]

i don't want to pay for poor people

[PLAYER57832]

take the fieteen dollars out of thier check/make it random/percentage wise for the area they live in/then plce them in a facility and give them the check we were giving to the reciepiant /until they are able to re enter society

I hope I'm reading this wrong, because this sounds like throwing people in prison in order to receive welfare.

I believe he means those on drugs, at least that is how I understand it?


Anyway... the cost is $55 and you have to pay it before you can even apply for welfare.. you then only get it refunded if you are both clean and qualify for welfare. This really means that anyone close financially, for other reasons (but absolutely free of drugs) is heavily discouraged from applying.. lest they find themselves $55 short and without welfare.

Per the rest.. the details matter. There are people who need treatment and who cannot function in society without it, but unless they are willing to accept help, its unlikely they will get better. I don't think anyone really wants those people on welfare. Its just that this testing is not the way to do i

[john9blue]

roses are red/violets are blue/i actually think D.T.F.W.A. is probably a bad idea, so chill out woody and natty/seriously guys.