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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby waauw on Wed May 13, 2015 4:17 pm

strike wolf wrote:All three of the Baratheon brothers were at least 1/8th Targaryen. It was why Robert Baratheon was chosen for the iron throne over Eddard Stark or Jon Arryn to begin with. That and Ned probably didnt even want to be king. It happened a few generations back where (I think) a lesser daughter was given to the Baratheons in a diplomatic gesture.

As far as why Mellisandre chooses Stannis. She believes him to be the reincarnation of Azor Ahia a central hero in her religion whose return means the end of darkness and ice or something to that effect. He wields the fire sword Lightbringer. Mellisandre honestly believes that Stannis is Azor Ahai .

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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Wed May 13, 2015 4:24 pm

can you really be sure that melissandre honestly believes that? It looks like it all the way, but given that I have 0 trust in this woman, and that you book readers have only read 5/7 books, well this will remain a question mark for me. The different red sorcerers in this universe aren't going for the same "champion" and I don't trust them.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby strike wolf on Wed May 13, 2015 4:28 pm

In the books you get her perspective in some of the chapters where she makes it clear that she does honestly believe it.

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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Wed May 13, 2015 4:30 pm

humm yes, I was wondering about this... Aegon, wtf... It's clear that he doesn't exists in the show right?
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby waauw on Wed May 13, 2015 4:42 pm

strike wolf wrote:In the books you get her perspective in some of the chapters where she makes it clear that she does honestly believe it.

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I wouldn't write him off immediately. They might still introduce him differently. After all, the chapters where he did appear in the books were actually not especially exciting. The same goes for the Iron islanders(can't tell you more about them as I don't know how much you know about them).

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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby strike wolf on Fri May 15, 2015 8:37 am

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strike wolf wrote:In the books you get her perspective in some of the chapters where she makes it clear that she does honestly believe it.

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I wouldn't write him off immediately. They might still introduce him differently. After all, the chapters where he did appear in the books were actually not especially exciting. The same goes for the Iron islanders(can't tell you more about them as I don't know how much you know about them).

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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby waauw on Fri May 15, 2015 6:47 pm

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strike wolf wrote:In the books you get her perspective in some of the chapters where she makes it clear that she does honestly believe it.

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I wouldn't write him off immediately. They might still introduce him differently. After all, the chapters where he did appear in the books were actually not especially exciting. The same goes for the Iron islanders(can't tell you more about them as I don't know how much you know about them).

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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Mon May 18, 2015 3:46 am

ok so from what I understood, in the books sansa never marries ramsay...

Shit so she loses her virginity to him then.... Reek seems like he's about to burst out at the end of the episode, not sure he would interfear though...
Also, I thought that Stannis and his army would arrive just when ramsay was about to "consume" the wedding.

Littlefinger: did he change his plans when cersei sent him that note? Well he clearly wanted to become warden of the north moving the Sansa chip into winterfeld, but what is his game there?
He is playing on both sides right?
He marches with the Eyre's troops to winterfeld, and if Stannis is weak after defeating the Boltons, then he crushes him and goes with the Lannisters to become warden of the north; If Stannis is still strong then he claims he is here to help them against the Boltons (Sansa will confirm) and maybe Stannis will marry him to Sansa to become warden of the North?
The thing is that Stannis would probably take Robyn over Littlefinger right?
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby waauw on Mon May 18, 2015 8:30 am

betiko wrote:ok so from what I understood, in the books sansa never marries ramsay...

Shit so she loses her virginity to him then.... Reek seems like he's about to burst out at the end of the episode, not sure he would interfear though...
Also, I thought that Stannis and his army would arrive just when ramsay was about to "consume" the wedding.

Littlefinger: did he change his plans when cersei sent him that note? Well he clearly wanted to become warden of the north moving the Sansa chip into winterfeld, but what is his game there?
He is playing on both sides right?
He marches with the Eyre's troops to winterfeld, and if Stannis is weak after defeating the Boltons, then he crushes him and goes with the Lannisters to become warden of the north; If Stannis is still strong then he claims he is here to help them against the Boltons (Sansa will confirm) and maybe Stannis will marry him to Sansa to become warden of the North?
The thing is that Stannis would probably take Robyn over Littlefinger right?


Littlefinger is always playing both sides and always seeking out chaos(remember his speech a couple of season back?). However Stannis could possibly mean the end of him. I'm not so certain Littlefinger would be able to fool the red lady and Stannis would never forget all he's done in favour of his enemies. I think Stannis is too dangerous and too hostile for Littlefinger to ever seek his favour.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Mon May 18, 2015 8:48 am

waauw wrote:
betiko wrote:ok so from what I understood, in the books sansa never marries ramsay...

Shit so she loses her virginity to him then.... Reek seems like he's about to burst out at the end of the episode, not sure he would interfear though...
Also, I thought that Stannis and his army would arrive just when ramsay was about to "consume" the wedding.

Littlefinger: did he change his plans when cersei sent him that note? Well he clearly wanted to become warden of the north moving the Sansa chip into winterfeld, but what is his game there?
He is playing on both sides right?
He marches with the Eyre's troops to winterfeld, and if Stannis is weak after defeating the Boltons, then he crushes him and goes with the Lannisters to become warden of the north; If Stannis is still strong then he claims he is here to help them against the Boltons (Sansa will confirm) and maybe Stannis will marry him to Sansa to become warden of the North?
The thing is that Stannis would probably take Robyn over Littlefinger right?


Littlefinger is always playing both sides and always seeking out chaos(remember his speech a couple of season back?). However Stannis could possibly mean the end of him. I'm not so certain Littlefinger would be able to fool the red lady and Stannis would never forget all he's done in favour of his enemies. I think Stannis is too dangerous and too hostile for Littlefinger to ever seek his favour.


humm you made a few good points. Littlefinger is still one of my favorites and I hope he gets away with it.

Also... house Tyrell... shit! looks like they will soon be gone. Cersei has done all she could to get them out of the map.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby patches70 on Mon May 18, 2015 11:26 am

betiko wrote:Also... house Tyrell... shit! looks like they will soon be gone. Cersei has done all she could to get them out of the map.


Ha! Cersei is a dumbass. Lemme ask you betiko, you think Cersei has really thought this through very well? Ole Lancel has the real dirt on her don't he? And Lancel's become nutty as a hat hare. This isn't going to end well, or at least not like Cersei thinks it will end.

Cersei is a complete moron.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby demonfork on Mon May 18, 2015 12:05 pm

This season = ZZZZZzzzzzZZZzzzZZZZZZ
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby waauw on Mon May 18, 2015 12:17 pm

demonfork wrote:This season = ZZZZZzzzzzZZZzzzZZZZZZ


You should switch off your dildo. I couldn't overhear what you said.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby demonfork on Mon May 18, 2015 2:41 pm

waauw wrote:
demonfork wrote:This season = ZZZZZzzzzzZZZzzzZZZZZZ


You should switch off your dildo. I couldn't overhear what you said.


Sorry, your mom was over again and she can't get enough of that thing.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby patches70 on Mon May 18, 2015 4:11 pm

I agree with demonfork, this season of GoT has been pretty disappointing so far.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby GoranZ on Mon May 18, 2015 9:33 pm

patches70 wrote:I agree with demonfork, this season of GoT has been pretty disappointing so far.

With the exception of the fourth episode everything else so far was waste of time. If the remaining episodes are as uninteresting as these next season might be the last.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby patches70 on Tue May 19, 2015 2:12 am

This last episode was probably one of the worst of the season, and that's saying something because all the episodes have sucked balls so far.
For instance, for almost the first twenty minutes of the episode we see Arya washing corpses, sweeping floors, stupid exposition about her journey so far (as if we haven't watched the show over the years) and to finally get a chance to see her do or experience something new all she had to do was trick a little girl into committing suicide. Sheesh, like it so hard or something to trick a little kid. Not only that, but even the little kid would know what the House of Black and White is. Jeez.
I had so been looking forward to Arya's storyline this season but HBO has completely fucked it up, badly. Its over half the season gone and all we've seen of Arya is her sweeping the floor. OMFG, WTF?

We get a very brief glimpse of Tyrion and Jorah for a moment before they switch back over to Arya sweeping the floor again. They they get captured and made slaves, ok, sucks when that happens but yeah, I can dig it. Except, Tyrion convinces the slavers to spare his life until they find a "cock dealer". WTF? <facepalm> I groan aloud.

Then we get Lancel and Littlefinger. Littlefinger who runs whore houses and insults the Faith and Lancel does...nothing? The logic of the Sparrows is all over the place.
Then Littlefinger brings news to Cersi that Sansa is alive and well in Wintefell and is getting married to Ramsay. Ok, now Cersi is a dumb cunt, true enough, but are the Lannisters that lacking in an intelligence network that they didn't already know this before Littlefinger shows up? Everyone in the North knows about the wedding, no one from the inn or Winterfell didn't send news to King's Landing? No maester in the north sent news to Old town who would then send news to Pycelle who would tell Cersi? Are you kidding me?
Ugh!

Then there is Littlefinger's plan, that he'll rally the Vale if Cersi makes him Warden of the North. Of course, in Season one if we remember, Cersi gave a nice speech to Jeoffrey about how the north would never accept a foreign ruler. Whatever, I guess Littlefinger wants to get his throat cut, maybe that's his ultimate plan.


Then we have Dorne, where does one begin picking about that turd of a scene in the water garden. Jamie and Bronn stroll into Sunspear, right into the Water garden (problematic enough that is, but whatever) at the exact same time that the Sand Snakes are kidnapping Marcella. Hijinks!
The Sand snakes seem to find it prudent to cover their faces. As if anyone would wonder for a second who it was had they succeeded. Three well armed women kidnapped Marcella. Gee, I wonder who could have done it? people would ask and scratch their heads. Not. The best thing about that scene is when Bronn says "Oh for f*ck's sake". You know, Bronn, that's exactly what I was thinking about that scene. Leave it to Bronn to voice what the viewer is thinking. For f*ck's sake.
The fight scene was comical.
Then there's Obara, "I am Obara Sand! Yada yada yada she says to the Captain of the Guard who is like "Duh! We've met before, plenty of times. I'm the Captain of your family guard." OMG, how stupid that scene was. Then Bronn has to smart mouth "you fight pretty good for a girl" which causes Obara to go ballistic. I guess Bronn reminded her of the ribbing she used to get back in elementary school. <facepalm>


We had the trial of Loras where the main point of evidence upon which all the charges against him is a birth mark high on Loras' thigh. His gay lover knows about the birth mark so that must prove beyond all doubt that Loras is a homo. Except, Loras is a high born. He's had people dressing and bathing him his whole life. Also, the gay lover was Loras' squire, in charge of putting on Loras' armor including the tasset and the cuisse which protects a knight's nut sack, so its a pretty good bet that a squire gets a good look at his knight's junk.
Then when Margery is taken into custody the King's Guard begin to draw their swords to defend her except they stop for some reason. No one told them not to intervene, or maybe they need orders to slaughter anyone who is about to lay their hands on the Queen without her consent? I dunno. Margery is under King's Guard protection, they should have slaughtered the shit out of the Sparrows the instant they tried to take her. But whatever.

And of course the last scene, Sansa. Its not like we all didn't see this coming. Afterall, in the books what Ramsay does to Jeyne Poole is a whole lot worse and Sansa has taken over Poole's role from the books in the show. But what really gets my goat about that scene is Theon's reaction. Theon's expression when Sansa is getting violated sums up the viewer's feelings about the whole episode. But apparently in that scene Theon is witnessing something horrible and he can't stand it. Theon, the guy who murdered and tarred a couple of innocent children, watched (and felt) as he himself was flayed and had his dick cut off, I'd guess that whatever he was seeing Ramsey doing to Sansa is pretty far down on the list of horrible things Theon has seen (and done!).


Every single episode this season has been like this one, filled up with complete bullshit that makes no logical sense.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby riskllama on Tue May 19, 2015 2:22 am

tune in next week!
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby betiko on Tue May 19, 2015 4:40 am

GoranZ wrote:
patches70 wrote:I agree with demonfork, this season of GoT has been pretty disappointing so far.

With the exception of the fourth episode everything else so far was waste of time. If the remaining episodes are as uninteresting as these next season might be the last.


I don't get it... I didn't like episode 4 that much and thought this episode 6 was pretty good.
It's based on a book that is the worse of the series, and they are trying hard to make the story better, what were you guys expecting?
I think the twists given to the series are better than the ones from the story as far as I know.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby patches70 on Tue May 19, 2015 9:36 am

betiko wrote:
I don't get it... I didn't like episode 4 that much and thought this episode 6 was pretty good.
It's based on a book that is the worse of the series, and they are trying hard to make the story better, what were you guys expecting?
I think the twists given to the series are better than the ones from the story as far as I know.


Its just poorly written by the HBO writers. There is a reason why Loras was never taken into custody by the Sparrows in the books for instance.

I don't mind changes in the show from the books but Jesus Christ those changes should at least make sense or even at the very least be decently written. The dialog of Obara Martell justifying her actions in the Watergarden was just cringe worthy. Martin didn't write that shitty in the books, not anyway near.

The twists aren't better, they are convoluted, irrational and make no sense logically. That isn't the case in the books. This is what happens when HBO goes and combines characters in the show. It turns into a mess. There is a reason Martin didn't put certain characters into certain positions in the books like in the show.

GoT the book series is very much similar to a soap opera but with some important differences. Leave it to HBO to turn GoT into a full blown soap opera complete with mind boggling twists. The only thing missing is the track played "Dun Dun DUNNN" as yet another inanity is revealed.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby waauw on Tue May 19, 2015 10:07 am

It's a pity White harbour isn't mentioned at all, despite it being one of the most interesting plotpoints in aDwD.
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby patches70 on Tue May 19, 2015 11:26 am

waauw wrote:It's a pity White harbour isn't mentioned at all, despite it being one of the most interesting plotpoints in aDwD.


Without a doubt. Now who's going to go looking for Rickon Stark? I'm sure HBO will find some way to sort that out. Maybe have Jon Snow run across Rickon and Osha as he's traveling beyond the wall with the wildling red bearded fellow or something as silly. :roll:
HBO writers: "Skagos? Never heard of it. Lets have Rickon and Osha hiding in an igloo in the frozen north! Osha can snag Rickon's virginity and have explain she's just keeping him warm! We can show her tits."
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby Army of GOD on Tue May 19, 2015 12:56 pm

Rickon is south of the wall though...
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Re: Game of Thrones (series spoiling only!)

Postby patches70 on Tue May 19, 2015 2:26 pm

Army of GOD wrote:Rickon is south of the wall though...


orly? Where? Rickon hasn't been seen on GoT tv show since season three. No one knows where he is, or if he's even on Westeros mainland. Even book readers don't know since the show is much changed from the book series.

The writers at HBO can have Rickon be where ever they want him to be I guess (not that I think Jon will find Rickon, I was just tongue n cheeking obviously).

Since White harbor hasn't been mentioned, Wyman Manderly hasn't been cast or introduced, so the whole book story line of finding Rickon is out the window. Given how the show has treated changes from the book this season, I can anticipate some BS illogical and improbable series of events that brings Rickon, Osha and Shaggydog back into the show with the obligatory "Dun dun Dunnn!" sound effect to cheese it up like a daytime soap.

Maybe Rickon will jump out of a meat pie at a Frey dinner party and yell "I've been here all along! Haha!" With the way this show is being written right now, think up the stupidest, lamest and corniest way to reintroduce them and we'll be seeing it soon enough.

Hell, I wouldn't be all that surprised if little Arya Stark runs into Rickon one day on the streets of Bravasso the way this turd of a season is going.
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