Americans

[Anarkistsdream]

Ummm, I'm British, does that make me an ass?

Nope, and neither is Guis or Titanic...

This is FLAME wars...

I just get a bit passionate and emotional...

And I never called anyone an ass due to their nationality... It is people who talk about things when they do not have to live in the situation.

[Iz Man]

I HATE my fucking country... I hate the way they treat everyone else... I am NOT proud to be American.

*opens door*

there you go, you're welcome to leave and find a better place.

[Anarkistsdream]

I HATE my fucking country... I hate the way they treat everyone else... I am NOT proud to be American.

*opens door*

there you go, you're welcome to leave and find a better place.

That, sir, is bullshit and you know it... Most of the other countries are smart... Unless you can provide something to that country that a natural born citizen can provide, you can't get your work visa...

It is comments like yours that make me want to scream.

[Iz Man]

so go ahead and scream your way out the door

You said yourself you HATE it (in caps too BTW), and not proud.

So go and become a citizen of another country if you really feel what you saying.

[Anarkistsdream]

so go ahead and scream your way out the door

You said yourself you HATE it (in caps too BTW), and not proud.

So go and become a citizen of another country if you really feel what you saying.

Did you just read what I wrote, or are you just dumb?

[Titanic]

So? One of my professors is probably one of the worlds major experts on Colonial India and popular uprisings among Indian people, but he's not an Indian... he's white. You being Native American doesn't change anything in my post. I still think its ridiculous to shout people down because they're not from a certain place. you did it in the gun thread too.

Because you DON'T KNOW what it is like!!! All you have is what books and the media feeds you... You have no fucking concept, and to sit on your throne makes you look like an ass.

I don't know what it is like to live in L.A. or New York... They are totally different from here. So is England... And none of you have any fucking clue what it is like here, but you all wanna blow smoke like you all are so fucking superior...

I HATE my fucking country... I hate the way they treat everyone else... I am NOT proud to be American.

But, you know what I really hate is when people act like they know something because they have read a book...

Do you walk around and try to tell black people about the hardships they face, or the muslims?

No... You know why...? You have NO FUCKING CLUE!

Figure it out.

Reading a book is one thing, but understanding is another. I can kind of understand what muslims, especially int he uk, are going through. I am Sikh, and the ignorant minority put me in the same class as terrorist cus of how I dress. I haev many muslims friends and I understand them.

When you research someting in detail and understand what the writer is trying to say, you yourself can understand the situation and feel the emotions. I was not alive in 1939, but I still understand why the UK did what it did in WWII, and why men my age quesued up and offered their services and their lives for the country. I do understand.

Just because I have not physically seen it, or been there does not give you the right to say you know better then me or anyone else. Reperations can be found online from governemnt statistics and past releases. By looking at teh works of scholors and experts you can get a feel for what the place is like. Maybe you got lucky. You are living in a city, where natives may get extra treatment due to having on averge low levels of education and employment, but the natives who live in the reservation camps and in the midwest are still being degraded and treated unfairly. You have experianced the better side of it, but maybe not the true and majority side of it.

What I am saying is, unless you have travelled the USA and seen all the native conditions, how can you dictate to us what it is currently like in all of the USA?

[Titanic]

so go ahead and scream your way out the door

You said yourself you HATE it (in caps too BTW), and not proud.

So go and become a citizen of another country if you really feel what you saying.

You can hate a country, but you still have the right to live there... I am sure my predecessors hated England in the 60's when the racism was everywhere, but they stayed because the quality of life is good, but they hated the people. Its the right of people in any democracy and liberal country to live there, no matter what your beliefs are. Its what were fighting for now against the Islamic extremists.

[Anarkistsdream]

Because I live in the state that was set aside for the Natives... I live in one of the WORST states actually, and, yes, the government gives aid to EVERYBODY.

I have been to reservations in six states for Pow-wows and celebrations... I am Lipan Apache and my people were NEVER on the trail of tears, but one tribe gets lumped in with the others, which is what you are apparently talking about with the Muslim/Sikh thing...

So, assuming you know my level of education or knowledge on this is a fallacy... I have studied it as there are many classes given at my university DUE to the fact of who we are...

Look at the state of Oklahomas flag... See the Peace Pipe...? That was their way of getting my ancestors to be subservient. Make it seem like they were helping us...

I think I know more than you, sorry... That means that I can say that I know you are wrong.

[Iz Man]

I never said he didn't have the right to live here. He has just as much right as you or I do.

He was the one who said he HATED his own country.

Soooo...... if you HATE it sooooo much. Then find someplace else to live.

If for your own piece of mind if anything else.

[Fo Sho]

Ok, I found some of these facts for you titanic, cause I knew that Britian and Canada in no way did more than the US.

Casualties:

US- 90,000

Britain- 65,000

Canada- 20,000

Germany-105,000

You AND canada combined didn't equal what we sacrificed at Normandy. LIke it or not, we were what saved your British asses from Germany. Though thanks to your RAF (which I have great respect for) you were able to hold them off until we showed off, I do not think you would've lasted much longer.

Secondly, China had been invaded by Japan!! They never mounted any real offensive against them. And the battles you are talking about are all at insignifcant colonies. We single handedly won the war in the Pacific. We single handedly defeated one of the power houses back then, while also saving your asses in Europe. I'm not saying that you guys didn't lose more than us, Britian sustained much damage during the war. I'm just saying we were what saved you in Europe, and who won the war against Japan.

Also like Anarkist said we have made many reparations to the Indians, and if you don't know that then you really are fucking retarded and need to go read a book or something.

Finally, I'm disappointed that so many American's today aren't proud of their country. Whether you agree with what we're doing today or not, you should always be proud of where you are from, and what we stand for, which is liberty and freedom to 3rd world countries around the world. I imagine that comment alone will spark quite a few flames but it is TRUE.

I am DAMN proud to be American, we are the shit so kiss my ass

[2dimes]

Fo Sho, care to add the population of Canada vs. USA at the time?

[Alexwales93]

Just because America decided to finally do somthing and help us out, doesn't fucking mean you can claim ' bragging rights'.
Britain, France and Russia sacrificed a lot of men and lives, what if we had just laid down to the German war machine? You'd probebly be sitting next to a Germany owned continent, and who knows how long before they would declare war on you?

[Fo Sho]

Just because America decided to finally do somthing and help us out, doesn't fucking mean you can claim ' bragging rights'.
Britain, France and Russia sacrificed a lot of men and lives, what if we had just laid down to the German war machine? You'd probebly be sitting next to a Germany owned continent, and who knows how long before they would declare war on you?

We helped you out in a big big way, and I think it does give us bragging rights. At least until you guys save us. Maybe WW3? Then we can be even. haha. And I know you guys lost more men!! If you read my post correctly I said you guys sustained much more damage then we did. I was responding specifically to Titanics claim that Britain and Canada each lost more men then the US at Normandy, and post-normandy. Which is bullshit.

[2dimes]

I was responding specifically to Titanics claim that Britain and Canada each lost more men then the US at Normandy, and post-normandy. Which is bullshit.

Ok fine, never mind it was a specific thing. I kind of figured you were driving at something else.

[Iggyshark]

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[Guiscard]

I never said he didn't have the right to live here. He has just as much right as you or I do.

He was the one who said he HATED his own country.

Soooo...... if you HATE it sooooo much. Then find someplace else to live.

If for your own piece of mind if anything else.

So what about the mexicans who complain down there about the state of living?

I bet their ignorant right wingers tell them that 'if you hate mexico so much go move somewhere better...'

But you're the first to rip into people for wanting to emigrate.

Hypocritical much?

As for the US in WWII thing, its not my speciality field really (and others argue it better), but I know a case of misplaced and ignorant American pride when I see it... How many casualties would have been spared if the US had joined the war when every other 'moral' country did? Face it, you waited until it was an economic and political necessity. You 'saved' us, but you could have saved us a whole lot earlier. Don't get all high and mighty. You also fucked over the rest of the world through the loans offered to rebuild Europe, virtually guaranteeing no chance of Europe developing into a hegemonic power to rival the US. We had no choice after the war but to accept those loans, but they were immorally high. You'd have left us to get invaded too if you thought it would be economically more beneficial. Nice one ally.

[dcowboys055]

America did not want to go to war. Period. However, eventually it became evident that we had to.

[Iz Man]

So what about the mexicans who complain down there about the state of living?
I bet their ignorant right wingers tell them that 'if you hate mexico so much go move somewhere better...
But you're the first to rip into people for wanting to emigrate.
Hypocritical much?

They (the Mexicans you speak of) come here for a better way of life be it legally or illegally (another thread). It's THEIR gov't, that by being so utterly corrupt, that has forced its own citizens to look to the north for a better way of life.

So they DO leave to come to the U.S.
Who did I rip for wanting to emigrate?

My point (if you can look past your liberal bias) is that if you say you HATE your country, and are not proud to be (in this case) American. Then leave, find someplace better.

[Bigfalcon65]

you people know nothing of history so just stop trying

[2dimes]

No one wants to go to war. Except in the case of some confused person engaging in "holy" war.

Titanic may have been refering to Dieppe.

Even with out the other issues it's one ugly beach to try and come ashore on.

Two military actions undertaken by Canadian forces have entered the national consciousness – Dieppe and Juno Beach. In August 1942, 5,000 Canadian troops (with 1,000 British soldiers and 50 US Rangers) took part in a raid on the port of Dieppe, in German-occupied France. The Canadians were chosen to form the bulk of the force because they were keen to see action. The raid was poorly planned and should never have been allowed to go ahead. Intelligence about German defences was flawed, there was no preliminary air bombardment and the element of surprise was lost when the raiding force, comprising warships and landing craft, with troops on board, encountered a small German convoy. When the force reached the target, along a 16km (10 mile) front, some troops were landed at the wrong point. Of the 5,000 Canadians who took part, approximately one in five was killed and many more wounded and captured.

These losses are a bitter pill for Canadians because in our military it's not normal for us to be part of the casualties.

Link

[dcowboys055]

you people know nothing of history so just stop trying

If you think you know more than post an argument, or where somebody was wrong. Stupid.

[Bigfalcon65]

i dont have to, you see there are things called records and textbooks, maybe you should read them

[dcowboys055]

I've read tons of books on WWI and WWII and i'm willing to bet i know more than you do.

[Bigfalcon65]

try me dick

[2dimes]

I thought the "d" stood for Dallas.