Should Eric Holder Resign? (Held in Contempt!)

[Phatscotty]

One congressman says he's for impeaching Holder, and more likely defunding the entire Department of Justice!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yCN93ZNJEM

His department acted unilaterally, without consulting the FBI, homeland security, or a single intelligence official, in dealing with the Christmas Bomber.

His decision to try KSM and other 9-11 conspirators in downtown manhattan is about to be reversed.

He hired 10 people in the justice department who have previously defended al-qada suspects, and will give the names of 2 of them.

He was the head attorney that almost won the second amendment case in the supreme court last year. for those of you who remember, it was upheld by a surprising 5-4 ruling.

He refuses to pursue the New Black Panthers "slam dunk" case

He openly refuses to stop defending a federal law that bans recognition of same-sex marriage.

[Night Strike]

Dang, your title got my hopes up.

[Phatscotty]

Dang, your title got my hopes up.

If he had consulted even half of the people he should have before making, IMO, a political decision on how to handle the Nigerian bomber, and came to the same decision, this thread would not exist.

[Frigidus]

You don't need to consult someone to see if a criminal gets a trial by jury.

[Phatscotty]

You don't need to consult someone to see if a criminal gets a trial by jury.

yup, someone tries to blow up an airplane. no need to communicate with intelligence experts or defense personnel. No need to "work together". I thought "working togheter" was you guys answer on how to handle this issue ALL THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CHRISTMAS BOMBER THREAD!?

[rockfist]

If I were any member of the administration or the Democrat party I would resign. They have recklessly placed our economy in a precarious position for their own political gain rather than doing anything for the good of the country. They should be embarassed and ashamed of their behavior.

[Frigidus]

You don't need to consult someone to see if a criminal gets a trial by jury.

yup, someone tries to blow up an airplane. no need to communicate with intelligence experts or defense personnel. No need to "work together". I thought "working togheter" was you guys answer on how to handle this issue ALL THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CHRISTMAS BOMBER THREAD!?

He's not trying to blow up a plane now. Once someone is in the legal system we have a framework that we follow. You wanting to indefinitely imprison someone without a trial for their motive is disturbing (not to say that indefinitely imprisoning someone without a trial for committing a crime isn't any more disturbing).

[Serbia]

Yes.

Next question.

[Phatscotty]

You don't need to consult someone to see if a criminal gets a trial by jury.

yup, someone tries to blow up an airplane. no need to communicate with intelligence experts or defense personnel. No need to "work together". I thought "working togheter" was you guys answer on how to handle this issue ALL THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CHRISTMAS BOMBER THREAD!?

He's not trying to blow up a plane now. Once someone is in the legal system we have a framework that we follow. You wanting to indefinitely imprison someone without a trial for their motive is disturbing (not to say that indefinitely imprisoning someone without a trial for committing a crime isn't any more disturbing).

hell of a leap you make from "working together" amongst agencies, all the way to "indefinite imprisonment without trial"

What's wrong with your mind?

[SultanOfSurreal]

If I were any member of the administration or the Democrat party I would resign. They have recklessly placed our economy in a precarious position for their own political gain rather than doing anything for the good of the country. They should be embarassed and ashamed of their behavior.

yeah totally

and if i were a unicorn i would shit gold.

[spurgistan]

Yes. He should be replaced with Alberto Gonzalez. Man, he was good.

[thegreekdog]

Yes. He should be replaced with Alberto Gonzalez. Man, he was good.

Reported for being anti-Hispanic.

Let's assume, because I'd like to add a layer to this thread, that Eric Holder resigns. I wonder if his replacement would have done the same thing........ yes? Okay, let's move on then, thanks.

[SultanOfSurreal]

Yes. He should be replaced with Alberto Gonzalez. Man, he was good.

Reported for being anti-Hispanic. .

so is this gonna be your new thing for this week

[thegreekdog]

Yes. He should be replaced with Alberto Gonzalez. Man, he was good.

Reported for being anti-Hispanic. .

so is this gonna be your new thing for this week

No... just for that particular post.

[BigBallinStalin]

Um, what's the background story here?

I know I can google it, but I may not find exactly what you guys are on about.

[Frigidus]

Um, what's the background story here?

I know I can google it, but I may not find exactly what you guys are on about.

Holder had the FBI read the shoe bomber his Miranda Rights (you have the right to remain silent, etc), instead of "interrogating" him behind closed doors. What a horrible person.

[Phatscotty]

Um, what's the background story here?

I know I can google it, but I may not find exactly what you guys are on about.

his handling of the KSM situation, combined with his actions/lack of action in the Nigerian bomber handling

[Phatscotty]

Um, what's the background story here?

I know I can google it, but I may not find exactly what you guys are on about.

I decided I couldn't present such a farce in an unbiased way (modus operandi) so I decided either people know what's going on or they don't. hence the third option

[MeDeFe]

Um, what's the background story here?

I know I can google it, but I may not find exactly what you guys are on about.

I decided I couldn't present such a farce in an unbiased way (modus operandi) so I decided either people know what's going on or they don't. hence the third option

I guess Frig summed it up rather nicely then.


Why the fuck should someone resign over standard procedure for prosecuting criminals?

[pimpdave]

Yes. He should be replaced with Alberto Gonzalez. Man, he was good.

Reported for being anti-Hispanic. .

so is this gonna be your new thing for this week

No... just for that particular post.

Don't worry Sultan, TGD already reported me for making fun Libertarianism. But he doesn't report you to the CC mods, he reports you to the Anti-Puppy Death Squad.

[Serbia]

Um, what's the background story here?

I know I can google it, but I may not find exactly what you guys are on about.

I decided I couldn't present such a farce in an unbiased way (modus operandi) so I decided either people know what's going on or they don't. hence the third option

I guess Frig summed it up rather nicely then.


Why the fuck should someone resign over standard procedure for prosecuting criminals?

Because it wasn't a criminal act, it was an act of war committed by a foreigner (non-American). People like that do not deserve to have the same rights as American citizens. It flies contrary to history and logic. That's why. Step back from your morally superior pedestal and try to consider the ramifications of this precedent.

[MeDeFe]

Um, what's the background story here?

I know I can google it, but I may not find exactly what you guys are on about.

I decided I couldn't present such a farce in an unbiased way (modus operandi) so I decided either people know what's going on or they don't. hence the third option

I guess Frig summed it up rather nicely then.


Why the fuck should someone resign over standard procedure for prosecuting criminals?

Because it wasn't a criminal act, it was an act of war committed by a foreigner (non-American). People like that do not deserve to have the same rights as American citizens. It flies contrary to history and logic. That's why. Step back from your morally superior pedestal and try to consider the ramifications of this precedent.

The ramifications for the USA of prosecuting attempted mass murder as a crime would be, let's see...

Ah, right: upholding the democracy, liberty and human rights they are trying to spread all over the world.

[Phatscotty]

Um, what's the background story here?

I know I can google it, but I may not find exactly what you guys are on about.

I decided I couldn't present such a farce in an unbiased way (modus operandi) so I decided either people know what's going on or they don't. hence the third option

I guess Frig summed it up rather nicely then.


Why the fuck should someone resign over standard procedure for prosecuting criminals?

Because it wasn't a criminal act, it was an act of war committed by a foreigner (non-American). People like that do not deserve to have the same rights as American citizens. It flies contrary to history and logic. That's why. Step back from your morally superior pedestal and try to consider the ramifications of this precedent.

history and logic? well I can tell you you just lost the argument there. history and logic are overrated

stay away from history and logic!

[Phatscotty]

Um, what's the background story here?

I know I can google it, but I may not find exactly what you guys are on about.

I decided I couldn't present such a farce in an unbiased way (modus operandi) so I decided either people know what's going on or they don't. hence the third option

I guess Frig summed it up rather nicely then.


Why the fuck should someone resign over standard procedure for prosecuting criminals?

Because it wasn't a criminal act, it was an act of war committed by a foreigner (non-American). People like that do not deserve to have the same rights as American citizens. It flies contrary to history and logic. That's why. Step back from your morally superior pedestal and try to consider the ramifications of this precedent.

The ramifications for the USA of prosecuting attempted mass murder as a crime would be, let's see...

Ah, right: upholding the democracy, liberty and human rights they are trying to spread all over the world.

oh sure. I dare to imagine something like this from MeD mind...

American people are just walking down the street, doing a bit of shopping. A person from a militant group that has stated they are at war with America has his planted his explosives combined with ball bearings for mass effect.....BOOM The bomb detonates. A brave American, who just lost his wife and 3 daughters to the attack, covered in his familys blood, spots the terrorists and jumps on him to apprehend him. Me comes running over, jumps on the American, pulls him off the terrorist and says "you had better not punch him! he has rights! better not! This is a democracy ya know! Is there a lawyer present! Dammit you stupid American, when terrorists attack, you just keep walking! dont gimme that shit about your wife and daughters being dead! Democracy is more important than life!"

how about another example of your wisdom in practice?

I am walking down the street. I spot MeDuwalking towards me. I know exactly how high he holds his ideals on democracy and liberty, therefore, Im going to start giving him some shit, cuz maybe I'm from a different country with different rules, ya know. So I push MeDu around, punch him in the face, kick him in the balls, yet he isnt fighting back. I start to laugh. this is too easy. I wonder why he isn't fighting back. I continue jacking your ass up. So just when you are about to draw your last living breathe, I ask "How come you arent fighting back? You got me by 100 pounds easy. You could have knocked me cold and continued on your way to boy scouts. I started the fight, why are you such a pussy?"

D replies "Cuz I buleeve in ur liberty, and will gladly give up mine to save yours"

Wont be long before the barbarians run the place....Ya know

Again, you can't survive without a pair of balls.

[MeDeFe]

I'm somewhat surprised that you've managed to survive at all, seeing how you've had your balls transplanted into your skull, your tongue surgically removed and replaced with your dick. There's no other explanation for your post. If you want to jizz off to your fantasies about the great and mighty military battling evil terrorists under the VALIANT LEADERSHIP of the government and protecting innocent AMERICANS (but not the British children) and their VALUES, sure, go ahead, just, please don't spray it all over the rest of us. Now ask those nice mad scientists if you can have your brain back from their vat so you can live in the real world again.

That said, democracy is at least as important as life. I know I'd risk my life to defend any democratic and liberal (as in "committed to the liberties and rights of the individual") state I happen to live in. The only problem with that is that there's precious little democracy and liberty left. To make things worse, people like you are clamoring to have it all abolished.



I also wish to use this opportunity to declare war on the USA. That's right, I am as of now officially at war with the United States of America and will be invading shortly. If you lay down your weapons you will be spared, any uniformed soldier who does not surrender will be shot. If you declare me Grand Emperor of the United States of America for Life and give me complete political power over your little nation we can save ourselves a whole lot of trouble.