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Suit: NASA worker fired over intelligent design

Postby Juan_Bottom on Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:44 am

Suit: NASA worker fired over intelligent design

(AP) LOS ANGELES - NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory has landed robotic explorers on the surface of Mars, sent probes to outer planets and operates a worldwide network of antennas that communicates with interplanetary spacecraft.

Its latest mission is defending itself in a workplace lawsuit filed by a former computer specialist who claims he was demoted - and then let go - for promoting his views on intelligent design, the belief that a higher power must have had a hand in creation because life is too complex to have developed through evolution alone.

David Coppedge, who worked as a "team lead" on the Cassini mission exploring Saturn and its many moons, alleges that he was discriminated against because he engaged his co-workers in conversations about intelligent design and handed out DVDs on the idea while at work. Coppedge lost his "team lead" title in 2009 and was let go last year after 15 years on the mission.

Opening statements are expected to begin Monday in Los Angeles Superior Court after two years of legal wrangling in a case that has generated interest among supporters of intelligent design. The Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian civil rights group, and the Discovery Institute, a proponent of intelligent design, are both supporting Coppedge's case.

"It's part of a pattern. There is basically a war on anyone who dissents from Darwin and we've seen that for several years," said John West, associate director of Center for Science and Culture at the Seattle-based Discovery Institute. "This is free speech, freedom of conscience 101."

The National Center for Science Education, which rejects intelligent design as thinly veiled creationism, is also watching the case and has posted all the legal filings on its website.

"It would be unfortunate if the court took what seems to be a fairly straightforward employment law case and allowed it to become this tangled mess of trying to adjudicate scientific matters," said Josh Rosenau, NCSE's programs and policy director. "It looks like a pretty straightforward case. The mission that he was working on was winding down and he was laid off."

Coppedge's attorney, William Becker, says his client was singled out by his bosses because they perceived his belief in intelligent design to be religious. Coppedge had a reputation around JPL as an evangelical Christian and other interactions with co-workers led some to label him as a Christian conservative, Becker said.

In the lawsuit, Coppedge says he believes other things also led to his demotion, including his support for a state ballot measure that sought to define marriage as limited to heterosexual couples and his request to rename the annual holiday party a "Christmas party."

"David had this reputation for being a Christian, for being a practicing one. He did not go around evangelizing or proselytizing. But if he found out that someone was a Christian he would say, 'Oh that's interesting, what denomination are you?'" Becker said.

"He's not apologizing for who he is. He's an evangelical Christian."

In an emailed statement, JPL dismissed Coppedge's claims. In court papers, lawyers for the California Institute of Technology, which manages JPL for NASA, said Coppedge received a written warning because his co-workers complained of harassment. They also said Coppedge lost his "team lead" status because of ongoing conflicts with others.

Caltech lawyers contend Coppedge was one of two Cassini technicians and among 246 JPL employees let go last year due to planned budget cuts.

While the case has attracted interest because of the controversial nature of intelligent design, it is at its heart a straightforward discrimination case, said Eugene Volokh, a professor of First Amendment law at the University of California, Los Angeles School of Law.

"The question is whether the plaintiff was fired simply because he was wasting people's time and bothering them in ways that would have led him to being fired regardless of whether it was about religion or whether he was treated worse based on the religiosity of his beliefs," said Volokh. "If he can show that, then he's got a good case."

Coppedge, who began working for JPL as a contractor in 1996 and was hired in 2003, is active in the intelligent design sphere and runs a website that interprets scientific discoveries through the lens of intelligent design. His father authored an anti-evolution book and founded a Christian outreach group.

He is also a board member for Illustra Media, a company that produces video documentaries examining the scientific evidence for intelligent design. The company produces the videos that Coppedge was handing out to co-workers, said Becker, his attorney.

His main duties at JPL were to maintain computer networks and troubleshoot technical problems for the mission. In 2000, he was named "team lead," serving as a liaison between technicians and managers for nearly a decade before being demoted in 2009.

He sued in April 2010 alleging religious discrimination, retaliation and harassment and amended his suit to include wrongful termination after losing his job last year.

Coppedge is seeking attorney's fees and costs, damages for wrongful termination and a statement from the judge that his rights were violated, said Becker.
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Re: Doesn't Play Well With Others

Postby oVo on Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:28 am

NASA Defense wrote:Coppedge received a written warning because his co-workers complained of harassment. They also said Coppedge lost his "team lead" status because of ongoing conflicts with others.

This doesn't say when this happened but if confirmed, it seems a written warning might carry some weight in defense of JPL's actions.
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Re: Suit: NASA worker fired over intelligent design

Postby Ace Rimmer on Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:23 am

Trust me, it's VERY hard to get fired from NASA, unless you're watching porn. This dude must have had a ton of HR complaints against him, and if he's like the typical ID proponents, he's annoying as f*ck and stupid as f*ck. I don't know how you can claim to be a scientist and support ID.
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Re: Suit: NASA worker fired over intelligent design

Postby PLAYER57832 on Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:24 pm

Ace Rimmer wrote:Trust me, it's VERY hard to get fired from NASA, unless you're watching porn. This dude must have had a ton of HR complaints against him, and if he's like the typical ID proponents, he's annoying as f*ck and stupid as f*ck. I don't know how you can claim to be a scientist and support ID.

Pretty much this, except he could get into NASA because engineers don't require a huge knowledge of biology.. never mind paleontology or even geologic chemistry.

However, there are actually 2 issues here. The first is, yes, while the outset idea of intelligent design is what most Christians (who largely DO accept science) believe, the term was created by young earth creationists. The "evidence" and logic presented range from distortions and misguided assumptions to outright fraudulant claims. Anyone who cannot discern the distinctions between truth and facts and belief is no true scientist. Trying to put forward these arguments in work would cross the scientific line. Folks almost certainly would have listened at first, curious. However, if he refused to acknowledge why the claims were disdained on scientific grounds.. it would lead to questioning his abilities as a science. (much like a sea captain who claimed the Earth was flat and that he needed to avoid certain routes as a result would not be taken as credible)

The second is that intelligent design is a religious idea. As such, it is not something government employees should generally be discussing at work at all. Government workers represent ALL Americans and have no business putting forward their personal religious beliefs except in private formats. Government employees don't have to pretend to have no faith, but they absolutely have to keep their faith independent of any public pronouncements associated with their jobs. It is my understanding he crossed that line a good deal, basically trying to use his status as a NASA scientist to better put forward Intelligent design. He is also apparently accused of badgering other employees with his beliefs to the point of harassing them with his religion.
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Re: Suit: NASA worker fired over intelligent design

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:30 pm

I shaved and look 12, but not sure that I qualify for the last option. Should be kittens.
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Re: Suit: NASA worker fired over intelligent design

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:59 pm

According to Nasa's Employee Policies website, I wonder if he was reprimanded because of something like this:

Conducting unauthorized personal business or other affairs while on duty status; unauthorized canvassing, soliciting, or peddling.

And if he's done it more than once, it seems there could be an escalation scale.


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Re: Suit: NASA worker fired over intelligent design

Postby Juan_Bottom on Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:24 pm

I just watched some training videos at work on Friday. If you want to discuss religion at work, and someone tells you to stow it, you have to shut up. If you bring it up again it's considered harassment.
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Re: Suit: NASA worker fired over intelligent design

Postby oVo on Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:40 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:I just watched some training videos at work on Friday. If you want to discuss religion at work, and someone tells you to stow it, you have to shut up. If you bring it up again it's considered harassment.

I don't think that is unreasonable in the work environment, and figure there is an abundance of topics outside of religion that could bring the same result. There are likely posters, photographs, and other paraphernalia that could result in similar complaints from co-workers.
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Re: Suit: NASA worker fired over intelligent design

Postby Juan_Bottom on Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:15 pm

If someone only overhears you talking about religion, and is offended for any reason; it can also be considered harassment.

IMO this harassment thing is beyond ridiculous, but those are the rules.
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Re: Suit: NASA worker fired over intelligent design

Postby PLAYER57832 on Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:43 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:If someone only overhears you talking about religion, and is offended for any reason; it can also be considered harassment.

IMO this harassment thing is beyond ridiculous, but those are the rules.

I do agree that this and the rest of the whole politically correct bit can be itself very oppressive. That said, proselitizing at work is not appropriate. And, its sometimes amazing how the same person who goes in backflips to go from claiming a slight "off color" or such comment is so horrible and harrassment, etc.. then will suddenly pull out all the stops to claim that anything from very loud proclomations of prayer to admonitions to others are all "perfectly innocent" or "religiously protected" speech.
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