Voluntary Slavery

[BigBallinStalin]

Okay, here's the scenario. Some guy's daughter is very sick, and her father needs about $3 million for the surgery. Should the father be allowed to trade himself (i.e. his own property) for a life of servitude?

[xeno]

Better question: Would you have sex with your mother to save your daughter's life.

[saxitoxin]

Okay, here's the scenario. Some guy's daughter is very sick, and her father needs about $3 million for the surgery. Should the father be allowed to trade himself (i.e. his own property) for a life of servitude?

Sure. But, if he broke his part of the deal and declined to serve anymore, the slaveholder shouldn't expect any legal recourse beyond what could otherwise be sought for violation of any other contract like an auto loan.

So it wouldn't be a very good deal for the slaveholder since the slave's only disincentive to freedom is a bad credit rating (he obviously doesn't have any finances to garnish or he wouldn't have sold himself to begin with).

[Army of GOD]

Better question: Would you have sex with your mother to save your daughter's life.

No, but I'd f*ck my daughter, regardless if I save a life or not.

[Army of GOD]

Okay, here's the scenario. Some guy's daughter is very sick, and her father needs about $3 million for the surgery. Should the father be allowed to trade himself (i.e. his own property) for a life of servitude?

No because his slave work won't ever match the 3 million dollar bill.

[Dukasaur]

Okay, here's the scenario. Some guy's daughter is very sick, and her father needs about $3 million for the surgery. Should the father be allowed to trade himself (i.e. his own property) for a life of servitude?

Yes and no.

Speaking from a purely ethical point of view, it's pretty open-and-shut. Yes. It's his life, and he has the unconditional right to do what he wants with it, including shooting himself, getting a sex change, joining the Church of the Golden Fleecing, tattooing pimpdave's avatar on his forehead, and yes, selling himself into slavery.

Speaking from a pragmatic point of view, this is one of those things that makes me very worried. Worried enough to bend ethics in favour of pragmatism. Allowing slavery, like allowing euthanasia, opens the door to a whole boatload of potential frauds. After all, that's what the old shanghai gangs were all about, right? Get some poor slug drunk to the point that his judgement disappears, make him mark an X on a piece of paper that he can barely see much less comprehend, pay him a bounty to convince yourself that you're not doing anything wrong, and bank on the fact that none of his immediate relatives is an attorney or knows what habeas corpus means.

Like legal euthanasia, voluntary slavery is one of those areas where I'm willing to condone an unethical standpoint because the ethically correct standpoint is just too vulnerable to unethical exploitation.

[saxitoxin]

Better question: Would you have sex with your mother to save your daughter's life.

No, but I'd f*ck my daughter, regardless if I save a life or not.

wrong thread

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=163525&hilit=clone+sex

[Haggis_McMutton]

Okay, here's the scenario. Some guy's daughter is very sick, and her father needs about $3 million for the surgery. Should the father be allowed to trade himself (i.e. his own property) for a life of servitude?

Sure. But, if he broke his part of the deal and declined to serve anymore, the slaveholder shouldn't expect any legal recourse beyond what could otherwise be sought for violation of any other contract like an auto loan.

So it wouldn't be a very good deal for the slaveholder since the slave's only disincentive to freedom is a bad credit rating (he obviously doesn't have any finances to garnish or he wouldn't have sold himself to begin with).

I think this is the correct answer.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Okay, here's the scenario. Some guy's daughter is very sick, and her father needs about $3 million for the surgery. Should the father be allowed to trade himself (i.e. his own property) for a life of servitude?

Yes and no.

Speaking from a purely ethical point of view, it's pretty open-and-shut. Yes. It's his life, and he has the unconditional right to do what he wants with it, including shooting himself, getting a sex change, joining the Church of the Golden Fleecing, tattooing pimpdave's avatar on his forehead, and yes, selling himself into slavery.

Speaking from a pragmatic point of view, this is one of those things that makes me very worried. Worried enough to bend ethics in favour of pragmatism. Allowing slavery, like allowing euthanasia, opens the door to a whole boatload of potential frauds. After all, that's what the old shanghai gangs were all about, right? Get some poor slug drunk to the point that his judgement disappears, make him mark an X on a piece of paper that he can barely see much less comprehend, pay him a bounty to convince yourself that you're not doing anything wrong, and bank on the fact that none of his immediate relatives is an attorney or knows what habeas corpus means.

Like legal euthanasia, voluntary slavery is one of those areas where I'm willing to condone an unethical standpoint because the ethically correct standpoint is just too vulnerable to unethical exploitation.

Made a euthanasia thread cause I'm curious about your views on that.