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Postby whitestazn88 on Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:46 am

I'm bothered by this more and more. Almost every supermarket I go to they only have one lane open while the line keeps backing up further and further. There are plenty of employees walking around talking to each other and rearranging boxes which are already straight. The checker looks up at the line only after the line backs up in the shopping aisles. All of a sudden, someone on a PA speaker says something like "all courtesy clerks to the front". The assistant manager, the manager, the baggers, and all other checkers who are over in produce or wherever bitching about their lives come to the front and the lanes all open up. This happens over and over again no matter which store I visit. Other people in line also start talking to me about how much it angers them.

Does anyone have experience working at a supermarket or retail store? Why do they constantly do this? I think their first priority should be help customers find what they want to buy and them getting them through the checkout lanes. Of course there will always be slow lines because someone wants to haggle over a coupon, but I'm talking about them keeping lanes open in the first place.

Does this bug anyone else?
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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby whitestazn88 on Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:51 am

Also, airplane food.

Does this bug anyone else?
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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:29 am

I feel ya, bro. I pretty much shop exclusively at the stores with self-checkout.

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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:44 am

How many supermarkets are within a 10-minute drive from that market, whitestazn?
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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:45 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:I feel ya, bro. I pretty much shop exclusively at the stores with self-checkout.

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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby whitestazn88 on Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:29 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:How many supermarkets are within a 10-minute drive from that market, whitestazn?


none really. for one, i live in a very rural area. two, i only shop organic and vegan, so my options become even more limited.
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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:47 pm

whitestazn88 wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:How many supermarkets are within a 10-minute drive from that market, whitestazn?


none really. for one, i live in a very rural area. two, i only shop organic and vegan, so my options become even more limited.


so, lack of competition is one explanation on why that supermarket has a clumsy method for handling customers. Another might be that the supermarket is not run by efficient managers.
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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:26 pm

What's all this i hear about sex and violins on TV?


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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby KoolBak on Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:24 pm

Organic and vegan......as Jamie would say...."Well, THERE'S the problem."

No problems here :lol:
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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:53 pm

I think it was George Carlin who said, "If this is supposed to be a service economy, why is the service so bad?"

First they do away with the bag boys and make you bag your own groceries. Then they stop giving out the bags and expect you to bring your own. Now they do away with the cashiers and they want you to scan your own. Maybe they should do away with the shelves and make us go out to the loading dock and take our food off the truck. Or maybe we can grow our own food and just send the grocery stores a cheque for what we think we should have spent.

It's the same with everything else. First the telephone operators stopped giving wake-up calls. Then they stopped telling you the time. Now they've done away with telephone operators entirely and even stuff like collect calls is automated.

You have to search for miles now to find a full service gas station, and even when you find one, half the time their idea of "full service" is just to pump the gas, not to do things you normally expect from a full service station like washing your windows and checking the oil.

Two-thirds of the fast food places I can think of now just give you an empty cup when you buy a drink and expect you to fill it yourself. And even fancy restaurants are doing away with busboys and other auxiliary services.

If it isn't automated, then it's "do it yourself." So where the hell is the service in this service economy?
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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby IcePack on Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:57 pm

Actually a lot of stores are taking those self check outs back out and replacing with "actual" lanes again.
Theft has gone up since those self checks out opened and some chains are considering removing / limiting them altogether.

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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby Army of GOD on Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:26 pm

+4 billion to the self-service comment

Seriously, if a store has a self-service checkout, I'm always there, regardless of the line. I don't want to deal with a nasty rednecky woman who probably had 3 children before she turned 21.
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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:00 am

Dukasaur wrote:I think it was George Carlin who said, "If this is supposed to be a service economy, why is the service so bad?"

First they do away with the bag boys and make you bag your own groceries. Then they stop giving out the bags and expect you to bring your own. Now they do away with the cashiers and they want you to scan your own. Maybe they should do away with the shelves and make us go out to the loading dock and take our food off the truck. Or maybe we can grow our own food and just send the grocery stores a cheque for what we think we should have spent.

It's the same with everything else. First the telephone operators stopped giving wake-up calls. Then they stopped telling you the time. Now they've done away with telephone operators entirely and even stuff like collect calls is automated.

You have to search for miles now to find a full service gas station, and even when you find one, half the time their idea of "full service" is just to pump the gas, not to do things you normally expect from a full service station like washing your windows and checking the oil.

Two-thirds of the fast food places I can think of now just give you an empty cup when you buy a drink and expect you to fill it yourself. And even fancy restaurants are doing away with busboys and other auxiliary services.

If it isn't automated, then it's "do it yourself." So where the hell is the service in this service economy?


In the land of the free and home of the brave, I can choose either paper or plastic cuz America is awesome.

Full service gas stations are a waste of money. If you want someone to check your oil and clean your car, then only you should pay for that service. It shouldn't be mandated (which it is in New Jersey), so that everyone who doesn't need it must pay.


What's great about the substitute-seeking and DIY methods is that (1) it lowers costs, and in a competitive market, would (2) lower the price. So, you're looking at one side of the coin. You're only looking at costs to oneself while overlooking the benefits, which aren't readily apparent.
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Postby 2dimes on Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:16 am

Army of GOD wrote:+4 billion to the self-service comment

Seriously, if a store has a self-service checkout, I'm always there, regardless of the line. I don't want to deal with a nasty rednecky woman who probably had 3 children before she turned 21.

I think they should have a special lane for self check out. Every other self check out lane requires you to know the code they give you after you pass the, "self check out competency practical exam." If you can't figure out what button to push with a quick glance your code is revoked and you have to return to "self checkout school" or use the "special" lane for people that are going to take more than ten minutes to scan and bag five items.
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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby KoolBak on Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:09 am

Army of GOD wrote:Seriously, if a store has a self-service checkout, I'm always there, regardless of the line. I don't want to deal with a nasty rednecky woman who probably had 3 children before she turned 21.


You mean that single mom that was abused by some close minded ass like you and is now busting her ass working 3 jobs to support her children and give them the best chance at a real life that she can? And NOT smoking meth on the fucking couch and wasting welfare dollars?

You're a total douche, kid. :roll:

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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby Dukasaur on Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:47 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:I think it was George Carlin who said, "If this is supposed to be a service economy, why is the service so bad?"

First they do away with the bag boys and make you bag your own groceries. Then they stop giving out the bags and expect you to bring your own. Now they do away with the cashiers and they want you to scan your own. Maybe they should do away with the shelves and make us go out to the loading dock and take our food off the truck. Or maybe we can grow our own food and just send the grocery stores a cheque for what we think we should have spent.

It's the same with everything else. First the telephone operators stopped giving wake-up calls. Then they stopped telling you the time. Now they've done away with telephone operators entirely and even stuff like collect calls is automated.

You have to search for miles now to find a full service gas station, and even when you find one, half the time their idea of "full service" is just to pump the gas, not to do things you normally expect from a full service station like washing your windows and checking the oil.

Two-thirds of the fast food places I can think of now just give you an empty cup when you buy a drink and expect you to fill it yourself. And even fancy restaurants are doing away with busboys and other auxiliary services.

If it isn't automated, then it's "do it yourself." So where the hell is the service in this service economy?


In the land of the free and home of the brave, I can choose either paper or plastic cuz America is awesome.

You're lucky. Here in Canada it's been at least 10 years since paper bags vanished, and now there game is afoot to ban plastic bags as well.

Full service gas stations are a waste of money. If you want someone to check your oil and clean your car, then only you should pay for that service. It shouldn't be mandated (which it is in New Jersey), so that everyone who doesn't need it must pay.

I didn't say anything about mandating anything. If there were more rational people like me who are willing to pay for decent service and fewer cheapskates who will go down the street to the NO SERVICE guy just because his price is 1 cent cheaper, then there would be more places that serve. Of course, if there were more people working at the full service place who have a work ethic and actually do what the name implies, there would be more people coming back. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

BigBallinStalin wrote:What's great about the substitute-seeking and DIY methods is that (1) it lowers costs, and in a competitive market, would (2) lower the price. So, you're looking at one side of the coin. You're only looking at costs to oneself while overlooking the benefits, which aren't readily apparent.

Yeah, I'm not economically illiterate despite your repeated attempts to paint me as such. I know that laying off cashiers and bagboys lowers the price. And yes, it's not the store manager's fault; he's just responding to a market where cheapskate pricks will abandon a store that gives good service and go to the competition just because they charge 3 cents less for a box of Cheerios.

I mean, seriously, people! Is it really worth saving 50 cents (maybe) on a load of groceries for the hassle of having to scan it and bag it yourself? Jesus H. Christ, are people really that stupid and cheap?

Still, if I blame it on the store managers, that's only about 100,000 people I have to hate and want to beat the shit out of, whereas if I face reality and blame the cheapskate prick customers, that's about 5,000,000,000 people I have to hate. So, by closing my eyes to reality and blaming it on management, I can reduce my hating workload by a factor of 50,000. That's a pretty rational economic decision, you must agree.
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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:00 pm

Dukasaur wrote:I mean, seriously, people! Is it really worth saving 50 cents (maybe) on a load of groceries for the hassle of having to scan it and bag it yourself? Jesus H. Christ, are people really that stupid and cheap?


Self-checkout =
- shorter lines
- less chance of unwanted social interaction
- not having to painfully decipher what the cashier is asking me(it's always a crapshot in Scotland, even after 2 years thick scottish accents stump me)
- not having to answer question about my interest in the latest promotional offers
- not having 10 people behind me scrutinizing the speed with which I complete my transaction and thus being able to actually put the shit in bags in an intelligent manner rather than having to grab it as fast as possible
- ability to get rid of all my small change and or coupons and shit again, without feeling like an asshole for making 10 people wait on me.
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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby PLAYER57832 on Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:43 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
whitestazn88 wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:How many supermarkets are within a 10-minute drive from that market, whitestazn?


none really. for one, i live in a very rural area. two, i only shop organic and vegan, so my options become even more limited.


so, lack of competition is one explanation on why that supermarket has a clumsy method for handling customers. Another might be that the supermarket is not run by efficient managers.

And so you describe the situation in all but the biggest cities/suburbs.

Yet another example of how we really cannot rely upon market forces to make things better for more than a few.
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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:11 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
whitestazn88 wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:How many supermarkets are within a 10-minute drive from that market, whitestazn?


none really. for one, i live in a very rural area. two, i only shop organic and vegan, so my options become even more limited.


so, lack of competition is one explanation on why that supermarket has a clumsy method for handling customers. Another might be that the supermarket is not run by efficient managers.

And so you describe the situation in all but the biggest cities/suburbs.

Yet another example of how we really cannot rely upon market forces to make things better for more than a few.


Are you saying that one supermarket in a rural town is an example of market failure?
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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby Army of GOD on Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:13 pm

KoolBak wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:Seriously, if a store has a self-service checkout, I'm always there, regardless of the line. I don't want to deal with a nasty rednecky woman who probably had 3 children before she turned 21.


You mean that single mom that was abused by some close minded ass like you and is now busting her ass working 3 jobs to support her children and give them the best chance at a real life that she can? And NOT smoking meth on the fucking couch and wasting welfare dollars?

You're a total douche, kid. :roll:

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I'm sorry, but I'm not talking about that girl, mostly because I have no idea who she is.


I do, however, know about the one I mentioned in my post.
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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:25 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
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BigBallinStalin wrote:
whitestazn88 wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:How many supermarkets are within a 10-minute drive from that market, whitestazn?


none really. for one, i live in a very rural area. two, i only shop organic and vegan, so my options become even more limited.


so, lack of competition is one explanation on why that supermarket has a clumsy method for handling customers. Another might be that the supermarket is not run by efficient managers.

And so you describe the situation in all but the biggest cities/suburbs.

Yet another example of how we really cannot rely upon market forces to make things better for more than a few.


Are you saying that one supermarket in a rural town is an example of market failure?


When you post stuff like the underlined, do you really think before you type?

Most Americans live in urban areas; therefore, "for more than a few" is total nonsense.

"Yet another example of how we really cannot rely upon market forces to make things better for more than a few"

Then, what's the alternative? Communism? Stricter regulation? Subsidies? How about working with the market to improve things?

Then what would be the consequences? And do the benefits offset the costs? (Again, you'll remain silent on this, or you'll type something crazy or unrelated).


It's fine how it is. If one of the most pressing complaints of capitalism is "in some rural areas, the wait for lines is too long!," then I'll take that over "Gee, I hope the state police don't kick me today!" or "I sure hope there's food at the grocery store today." I mean, wow. People need to look really hard for things to be upset about.

"Oh, so there's this grocery store with relatively low prices on hundreds of different items which I can stuff into my face. That's like whatever. Oh, but wait, this line is too long. MARKETS SUCK!! WE NEED... SOMETHING OTHER THAN MARKETS!!!! nYYAAHHH!!!"
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Re: Checkout lanes

Postby Evil Semp on Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:39 pm

whitestazn88 wrote:I'm bothered by this more and more. Almost every supermarket I go to they only have one lane open while the line keeps backing up further and further. There are plenty of employees walking around talking to each other and rearranging boxes which are already straight.


That sure sounds like an exaggeration to me. I work retail and I also shop so I know both sides to the argument. The customer usually walks up to the register and sees 2 people in line and starts looking at his/her watch with impatience. The customer took 30 minutes to pick out the
item they wanted because the didn't need to be anywhere for 35 minutes. Now all of a sudden you are in a hurry.

The store sets its staffing according to the business history. If they usually only bring in $100 in the first hour of business they aren't going to have 2 or 3 cashiers on hand. The others are probably the night crew who are putting the items on the shelf for you to buy. They straighten the boxes so the store looks clean and so you can find the items you want.

whitestazn88 wrote: The assistant manager, the manager, the baggers, and all other checkers who are over in produce or wherever bitching about their lives come to the front and the lanes all open up


I am sure any company would not want to pay people to stand around and bitch about their lives when there are customers who need help.


Dukasaur wrote:If there were more rational people like me who are willing to pay for decent service and fewer cheapskates who will go down the street to the NO SERVICE guy just because his price is 1 cent cheaper, then there would be more places that serve.


They don't want to pay any more but they want the service.
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