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PLAYER57832 wrote:Uh... trickly up economics would mean that the bottom was given money that would then trickle up.
Reagan began what we have now.. trickle down. Support the corporations and theoretically the jobs and money will flow down. Except, of course, it does not really do so.
And, worse, we get to pay for all the errors of the corporate mistakes.
GBU56 wrote:The rich Corporate world in America has successfully bought a political party and bought many other politicians to change the economic policies.
You hear it everyday from politician, we must reduce taxes on businesses, reduce income taxes, reduce and eliminate the capital gains tax. Deregulate and defund the government agencies that slow down and crimp capitalism.
What the Corporate world want is pure Capitalism, where the CEOs run the economy without interference from government oversight.
GBU56 wrote:This has result in "trickle up economics" where the American worker is being squeezed to give away more of his salary and benefits [benefits? if you're lucky] and the CEOs watch their profit margins grow and their own salary and benefits grow astronomically. Funny heh? Republicans love to wave the American flags and hug the bible while their contributors treat the average American worker as disposable garbage.
We have seen companies like Whirlpool move from Michigan to Arkansas which is a "right to work" which means anti-union to increase their bottom line. Whirlpool is closing their plants in Arkansas and now have moved to the worker's paradise of China.
How treasonous is that? Profit over worker's rights and fair compensation.
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Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
GBU56 wrote:How treasonous is that? Profit over worker's rights and fair compensation.
Mr_Adams wrote:You, sir, are an idiot.
Timminz wrote:By that logic, you eat babies.
GBU56 wrote:The rich Corporate world in America has successfully bought a political party
patches70 wrote:How much should you sell those tomatoes for?
50 cents apiece?
$1 apiece?
$1.50 apiece?
How much?
The answer is, "For a profit" and no other answer is correct.
How treasonous is that? Profit over worker's rights and fair compensation.
spurgistan wrote:3. I'm not quite sure what your argument is.
spurgistan wrote:filthy rich capitalists the Republican Party actually cares about.
spurgistan wrote:If i were operating a tomato farm that employed workers, I'd probably have them work in the fields instead of me
spurgistan wrote:You take short-term losses for long-term gains.
spurgistan wrote:Do you think that employers generally pay laborers the maximum amount they can?
spurgistan wrote:I'm not quite sure what your argument is.
patches70 wrote:spurgistan wrote:filthy rich capitalists the Republican Party actually cares about.
You should probably include the Democrat party if you were being fair.
GBU56 wrote:The rich Corporate world in America has successfully bought a political party
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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Mr_Adams wrote:You, sir, are an idiot.
Timminz wrote:By that logic, you eat babies.
saxitoxin wrote:GBU56 wrote:The rich Corporate world in America has successfully bought a political party
I assume you're referring to the Democrat Party, BA?
8 Largest Donor Sources - Democrat National Committee
Microsoft Corporation - $380,104
Goldman Sachs - $347,374
Time Warner - $334,485
Nix, Patterson & Roach - $318,800
Skadden, Arps et al ("Wall Street's Most Powerful Law Firm") - $302,287
Google Inc - $292,836
Susman Godfrey Llp - $263,600
Comcast Corporation - $253,304
http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/cont ... 2&cmte=DNC
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=241668&start=200#p5349880
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
GreecePwns wrote:Harvard University donates to the Democratic party? Weird.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=241668&start=200#p5349880
saxitoxin wrote:saxitoxin wrote:GBU56 wrote:The rich Corporate world in America has successfully bought a political party
I assume you're referring to the Democrat Party, BA?
8 Largest Donor Sources - Democrat National Committee
Microsoft Corporation - $380,104
Goldman Sachs - $347,374
Time Warner - $334,485
Nix, Patterson & Roach - $318,800
Skadden, Arps et al ("Wall Street's Most Powerful Law Firm") - $302,287
Google Inc - $292,836
Susman Godfrey Llp - $263,600
Comcast Corporation - $253,304
http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/cont ... 2&cmte=DNC
5 Largest Pro- Mass Slaughter PACs
Boeing Co Democrat - $1,164,000 / Republican - $1,041,000
Lockheed Martin Democrat - $1,178,000 / Republican -$907,250
United Technologies Democrat - $622,000 / Republican - $471,500
BAE Systems Democrat - $418,500 / Republican - $326,000
EADS North America Democrat - $104,500 / Republican - $95,100
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/industr ... cycle=2010
5 Largest Pro- Genocide PACs
Israeli National Action Committee Democrat - $242,850 / Republican - $117,336
Citizens Organized Democrat - $101,000 / Republican -$116,500
Californians for Good Government Democrat - $124,500 / Republican - $92,500
Alliance for Israel Democrat - $134,000 / Republican - $78,000
Republican Jewish Coalition Democrat - $0 / Republican - $176,500
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/industr ... cycle=2010
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=241668&start=200#p5349880
spurgistan wrote:, fair compensation is the worker getting back all the value the worker adds to the product. As I think I've mentioned before, I'm basically the Annoyed Peasant from Holy Grail.[/size]
saxitoxin wrote:saxitoxin wrote:saxitoxin wrote:GBU56 wrote:The rich Corporate world in America has successfully bought a political party
I assume you're referring to the Democrat Party, BA?
8 Largest Donor Sources - Democrat National Committee
Microsoft Corporation - $380,104
Goldman Sachs - $347,374
Time Warner - $334,485
Nix, Patterson & Roach - $318,800
Skadden, Arps et al ("Wall Street's Most Powerful Law Firm") - $302,287
Google Inc - $292,836
Susman Godfrey Llp - $263,600
Comcast Corporation - $253,304
http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/cont ... 2&cmte=DNC
5 Largest Pro- Mass Slaughter PACs
Boeing Co Democrat - $1,164,000 / Republican - $1,041,000
Lockheed Martin Democrat - $1,178,000 / Republican -$907,250
United Technologies Democrat - $622,000 / Republican - $471,500
BAE Systems Democrat - $418,500 / Republican - $326,000
EADS North America Democrat - $104,500 / Republican - $95,100
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/industr ... cycle=2010
5 Largest Pro- Genocide PACs
Israeli National Action Committee Democrat - $242,850 / Republican - $117,336
Citizens Organized Democrat - $101,000 / Republican -$116,500
Californians for Good Government Democrat - $124,500 / Republican - $92,500
Alliance for Israel Democrat - $134,000 / Republican - $78,000
Republican Jewish Coalition Democrat - $0 / Republican - $176,500
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/industr ... cycle=2010
5 Largest Wiretapping PACs
Qwest Democrat - $265,700 / Republican - $162,950
T-Mobile Democrat - $220,400 / Republican -$177,750
Cellular Trade Association Democrat - $176,000 / Republican - $135,000
Motorola Democrat - $191,000 / Republican - $116,500
Sprint Democrat - $138,500 / Republican - $118,000
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/industr ... cycle=2010
patches70 wrote:saxitoxin wrote:saxitoxin wrote:saxitoxin wrote:GBU56 wrote:The rich Corporate world in America has successfully bought a political party
I assume you're referring to the Democrat Party, BA?
8 Largest Donor Sources - Democrat National Committee
Microsoft Corporation - $380,104
Goldman Sachs - $347,374
Time Warner - $334,485
Nix, Patterson & Roach - $318,800
Skadden, Arps et al ("Wall Street's Most Powerful Law Firm") - $302,287
Google Inc - $292,836
Susman Godfrey Llp - $263,600
Comcast Corporation - $253,304
http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/cont ... 2&cmte=DNC
5 Largest Pro- Mass Slaughter PACs
Boeing Co Democrat - $1,164,000 / Republican - $1,041,000
Lockheed Martin Democrat - $1,178,000 / Republican -$907,250
United Technologies Democrat - $622,000 / Republican - $471,500
BAE Systems Democrat - $418,500 / Republican - $326,000
EADS North America Democrat - $104,500 / Republican - $95,100
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/industr ... cycle=2010
5 Largest Pro- Genocide PACs
Israeli National Action Committee Democrat - $242,850 / Republican - $117,336
Citizens Organized Democrat - $101,000 / Republican -$116,500
Californians for Good Government Democrat - $124,500 / Republican - $92,500
Alliance for Israel Democrat - $134,000 / Republican - $78,000
Republican Jewish Coalition Democrat - $0 / Republican - $176,500
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/industr ... cycle=2010
5 Largest Wiretapping PACs
Qwest Democrat - $265,700 / Republican - $162,950
T-Mobile Democrat - $220,400 / Republican -$177,750
Cellular Trade Association Democrat - $176,000 / Republican - $135,000
Motorola Democrat - $191,000 / Republican - $116,500
Sprint Democrat - $138,500 / Republican - $118,000
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/industr ... cycle=2010
Just to be fair, saxi, the Democrats have been running things for a while now. Of course they are going to receive the greater donations. When the Republicans take control then you'll see all that shift.
Just sayin' is all.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=241668&start=200#p5349880
patches70 wrote:spurgistan wrote:, fair compensation is the worker getting back all the value the worker adds to the product. As I think I've mentioned before, I'm basically the Annoyed Peasant from Holy Grail.[/size]
And you understand that this takes away every penny of profit, correct? All that is left is the bills for the building, energy and other business expenses. So basically, the business owner would have to give up all his money in the end and receives absolutely nothing.
Genius plan you got there.
I saw an OWS protester complaining on camera about how his company paid him $30 an hour running a machine and charged the customers $80 an hour (that was the base price of the stuff the guy was producing on his machine, the cost to the customer being charged at $80). He was complaining that he should be making that $80. I think to myself, "does he understand where the money to pay his wages, pay the electric bill to power his machine, the health benefits and all the other stuff comes from?"
A business owner cannot pay the worker the total amount of worth for the products being produced. Any business, large or small would quickly go straight out of business unless they have the ability to print unlimited amounts of currency.
Those who think business should pay fair wages. Start your own business and pay them those fair wages. Advertise such to the people who will buy your product or services so as to solicit their business. After all, everyone helping everyone is a good thing, right? Who cares that your product or service will be grossly overpriced. Who cares if you have to end up giving away every dime you have.
Unions, workers, business can all negotiate till the cows come home. The wages that can be earned is determined by the profits that can be realized after all expenses. No amount of wishful thinking or good intentions can get around this reality.
Mr_Adams wrote:You, sir, are an idiot.
Timminz wrote:By that logic, you eat babies.
spurgistan wrote:If I really need to explain: my ideal plan doesn't involve capital being a separate class from labor. I know that in traditional class capitalism (worker cooperatives being an exciting development in rejecting class capitalism but still operating and competing within a capitalist system) workers can't expect to get the full value they add to products. But, in response to "given what is currently possible in the United States' political climate, what entails 'fair compensation?'" it involves conditions that aren't imposed on laborers due to phony "market conditions."
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