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[Woodruff]

Surely if we have an omnipotent God he intends for everything that actually happens to happen even if we accept freewill.

Intends? Or allows based on free will? Eg. I could allow a worker at my store to treat a customer terribly, but that doesn't therefore mean that I intend for him to do so.

But unlike you an omniscient God knows in advance how we will use the freewill he has allowed us.As I see it there are inherent contradictions in the concept of the omnimax God accepted by Christian theists,and much has been written about this.
By omnimax I mean omnipresent,omniscient,omnipotent and omnibenevolent.

I understand your point, but there is a distinct difference between "allowing" and "intending".

Don't get me wrong...if God is responsible for bad things that happen because of homosexuals and such, then you sort of lose the opportunity to make that distinction, I think.

[Juan_Bottom]

kudos to Woodruff for pointing out the mischaracterization of that fellow. It's clear that he's saying that the life is God's will, unless you have an extreme bias in which case you'll twist anything the "enemy" says to portray it in the absolute worst possible light.

That's not a miss-characterization, what you just said is actually quite horrid.

"Hey I'm sorry that you got raped but God wanted you to have a baby, so congratulations!"

/the religious

[Juan_Bottom]

Victim: I'VE BEEN RAPED AND NOW I'M PREGNANT!

Richard Mourdock: God wills it!

[Symmetry]

So, wait, the rape isn't God's will, but getting pregnant from it is God's will? God just controls the pregnancy part?

[Juan_Bottom]

You just have extreme bias against God and Republicans.

[Woodruff]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/republicans-filibuster-ev_b_2018663.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/senate-republicans-succes_b_1008103.html

[Night Strike]

Why shouldn't horrible spending plans for the country be stopped in Congress? The president isn't allowed to just unilaterally enact his plans. Starting with Obamacare, Obama decided that he would pass his agenda based on what his party want and refused to work with those who disagreed with him, so why should people who disagree with him now go ahead and give him blank checks?

[Woodruff]

Why shouldn't horrible spending plans for the country be stopped in Congress? The president isn't allowed to just unilaterally enact his plans. Starting with Obamacare, Obama decided that he would pass his agenda based on what his party want and refused to work with those who disagreed with him, so why should people who disagree with him now go ahead and give him blank checks?

Did you read the articles or just look at the titles? I'm hoping, for your sake, that you only looked at the titles.

[Night Strike]

Why shouldn't horrible spending plans for the country be stopped in Congress? The president isn't allowed to just unilaterally enact his plans. Starting with Obamacare, Obama decided that he would pass his agenda based on what his party want and refused to work with those who disagreed with him, so why should people who disagree with him now go ahead and give him blank checks?

Did you read the articles or just look at the titles? I'm hoping, for your sake, that you only looked at the titles.

So they were successful in slowing down the encroachment of Statism. Good. We don't need more governmental programs and regulations. If those bills were actually cutting the power and size of the government, then they probably shouldn't have been filibustered. But the legislation that expands the government should be filibustered and blocked as much as possible. The government doesn't create jobs: it takes money away from the private sector job creators or prints it out of thin air. The role of the government is to establish a system of law and order and protect the country from outside threats. It's not the government's role to manage the unemployment numbers and to plan the economy.

[Woodruff]

His "explanation" really isn't helping him any:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/state-legislator-criticized-for-comments-on-rape-hj76f4k-173587961.html

What the f*ck is going on with Republicans and rape? Have they all lost their fucking minds?

[Woodruff]

Why shouldn't horrible spending plans for the country be stopped in Congress? The president isn't allowed to just unilaterally enact his plans. Starting with Obamacare, Obama decided that he would pass his agenda based on what his party want and refused to work with those who disagreed with him, so why should people who disagree with him now go ahead and give him blank checks?

Did you read the articles or just look at the titles? I'm hoping, for your sake, that you only looked at the titles.

So they were successful in slowing down the encroachment of Statism. Good. We don't need more governmental programs and regulations. If those bills were actually cutting the power and size of the government, then they probably shouldn't have been filibustered.

So you didn't bother to look at what those bills were, you're just "OBAMA!!!!!" and happy to do it?

[BigBallinStalin]

His "explanation" really isn't helping him any:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/state-legislator-criticized-for-comments-on-rape-hj76f4k-173587961.html

What the f*ck is going on with Republicans and rape? Have they all lost their fucking minds?

You're starting to sound as irrational as JB.

[Night Strike]

His "explanation" really isn't helping him any:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/state-legislator-criticized-for-comments-on-rape-hj76f4k-173587961.html

What the f*ck is going on with Republicans and rape? Have they all lost their fucking minds?

Sounds like perfectly rationale explanation and advise. It can be easy to claim rape if a person decides they regret having consensual sex (or want money, etc.).

Why shouldn't horrible spending plans for the country be stopped in Congress? The president isn't allowed to just unilaterally enact his plans. Starting with Obamacare, Obama decided that he would pass his agenda based on what his party want and refused to work with those who disagreed with him, so why should people who disagree with him now go ahead and give him blank checks?

Did you read the articles or just look at the titles? I'm hoping, for your sake, that you only looked at the titles.

So they were successful in slowing down the encroachment of Statism. Good. We don't need more governmental programs and regulations. If those bills were actually cutting the power and size of the government, then they probably shouldn't have been filibustered.

So you didn't bother to look at what those bills were, you're just "OBAMA!!!!!" and happy to do it?

The government doesn't create jobs; the private sector creates jobs. If the government would stop enacting and threatening tax hikes and increases in regulations, the private sector would create jobs.

[Juan_Bottom]

The "government" doesn't create jobs; the "private sector" creates jobs. If "the government" would stop enacting and threatening "tax hikes" and increases in "regulations", the "private sector" would create jobs.

[Night Strike]

I'm sorry those words are just figments in your imaginary world Juan. In the real world, those words actually have meaning and consequences.

[Evil Semp]

His "explanation" really isn't helping him any:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/state-legislator-criticized-for-comments-on-rape-hj76f4k-173587961.html

What the f*ck is going on with Republicans and rape? Have they all lost their fucking minds?

Sounds like perfectly rationale explanation and advise. It can be easy to claim rape if a person decides they regret having consensual sex (or want money, etc.).

Not making a comment like that would have been the smart thing NS. God forbid you should have a daughter and she gets raped. I don't think your words above would be your best response.

[Night Strike]

His "explanation" really isn't helping him any:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/state-legislator-criticized-for-comments-on-rape-hj76f4k-173587961.html

What the f*ck is going on with Republicans and rape? Have they all lost their fucking minds?

Sounds like perfectly rationale explanation and advise. It can be easy to claim rape if a person decides they regret having consensual sex (or want money, etc.).

Not making a comment like that would have been the smart thing NS. God forbid you should have a daughter and she gets raped. I don't think your words above would be your best response.

Isn't it amazing how rape has become a political tool for the Democrats?

[Evil Semp]

His "explanation" really isn't helping him any:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/state-legislator-criticized-for-comments-on-rape-hj76f4k-173587961.html

What the f*ck is going on with Republicans and rape? Have they all lost their fucking minds?

Sounds like perfectly rationale explanation and advise. It can be easy to claim rape if a person decides they regret having consensual sex (or want money, etc.).

Not making a comment like that would have been the smart thing NS. God forbid you should have a daughter and she gets raped. I don't think your words above would be your best response.

Isn't it amazing how rape has become a political tool for the Democrats?

That's your response? Didn't you just make it a political tool also?

[deathcomesrippin]

His "explanation" really isn't helping him any:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/state-legislator-criticized-for-comments-on-rape-hj76f4k-173587961.html

What the f*ck is going on with Republicans and rape? Have they all lost their fucking minds?

Sounds like perfectly rationale explanation and advise. It can be easy to claim rape if a person decides they regret having consensual sex (or want money, etc.).

WTF.

[john9blue]

His "explanation" really isn't helping him any:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/state-legislator-criticized-for-comments-on-rape-hj76f4k-173587961.html

What the f*ck is going on with Republicans and rape? Have they all lost their fucking minds?

Sounds like perfectly rationale explanation and advise. It can be easy to claim rape if a person decides they regret having consensual sex (or want money, etc.).

WTF.

sad world we live in

[Woodruff]

His "explanation" really isn't helping him any:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/state-legislator-criticized-for-comments-on-rape-hj76f4k-173587961.html

What the f*ck is going on with Republicans and rape? Have they all lost their fucking minds?

Sounds like perfectly rationale explanation and advise. It can be easy to claim rape if a person decides they regret having consensual sex (or want money, etc.).

Oh my God. Seriously, night strike. You believe that's a perfectly rational statement to make? As someone who purports to be a Christian, you REALLY need to re-think your perspective.

Why shouldn't horrible spending plans for the country be stopped in Congress? The president isn't allowed to just unilaterally enact his plans. Starting with Obamacare, Obama decided that he would pass his agenda based on what his party want and refused to work with those who disagreed with him, so why should people who disagree with him now go ahead and give him blank checks?

Did you read the articles or just look at the titles? I'm hoping, for your sake, that you only looked at the titles.

So they were successful in slowing down the encroachment of Statism. Good. We don't need more governmental programs and regulations. If those bills were actually cutting the power and size of the government, then they probably shouldn't have been filibustered.

So you didn't bother to look at what those bills were, you're just "OBAMA!!!!!" and happy to do it?

The government doesn't create jobs; the private sector creates jobs. If the government would stop enacting and threatening tax hikes and increases in regulations, the private sector would create jobs.

Still haven't looked at them? Were you going to, or do you just like to repeat yourself?

[Woodruff]

I'm sorry those words are just figments in your imaginary world Juan. In the real world, those words actually have meaning and consequences.

That must be why the recent tax cuts for businesses have created so many jobs then, right? That's why we're just swimming in employment?

[Woodruff]

His "explanation" really isn't helping him any:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/state-legislator-criticized-for-comments-on-rape-hj76f4k-173587961.html

What the f*ck is going on with Republicans and rape? Have they all lost their fucking minds?

Sounds like perfectly rationale explanation and advise. It can be easy to claim rape if a person decides they regret having consensual sex (or want money, etc.).

Not making a comment like that would have been the smart thing NS. God forbid you should have a daughter and she gets raped. I don't think your words above would be your best response.

Isn't it amazing how rape has become a political tool for the Democrats?

Isn't it amazing how the Republicans seem to hate women?

[BigBallinStalin]

reshman Rep. Roger Rivard (R-Rice Lake) in December discussed a case with the Chetek Alert newspaper in which a 17-year-old high school senior was charged with sexual assault for having sex with an underage girl in the school's band room.

The newspaper quoted him as saying his father warned him, "Some girls rape easy" - meaning that after the fact they can change what they say about whether sex was consensual. On Wednesday, Rivard told the Journal Sentinel that the article did not provide full context of his comments and that his father's exact words had been slightly different from how they appeared in the Chetek Alert.

He told the Journal Sentinel that his father had advised him not to have premarital sex, and he took that seriously.

"He also told me one thing, 'If you do (have premarital sex), just remember, consensual sex can turn into rape in an awful hurry,' " Rivard said. "Because all of a sudden a young lady gets pregnant and the parents are madder than a wet hen and she's not going to say, 'Oh, yeah, I was part of the program.' All that she has to say or the parents have to say is it was rape because she's underage. And he just said, 'Remember, Roger, if you go down that road, some girls,' he said, 'they rape so easy.'

"What the whole genesis of it was, it was advice to me, telling me, 'If you're going to go down that road, you may have consensual sex that night and then the next morning it may be rape.' So the way he said it was, 'Just remember, Roger, some girls, they rape so easy. It may be rape the next morning.'

"So it's been kind of taken out of context."

What does this mean to you?

Or did you simply read the title "some girls rape easy," and thought, omgzor that's all he said and no thanks I don't need context?

[Night Strike]

His "explanation" really isn't helping him any:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/state-legislator-criticized-for-comments-on-rape-hj76f4k-173587961.html

What the f*ck is going on with Republicans and rape? Have they all lost their fucking minds?

Sounds like perfectly rationale explanation and advise. It can be easy to claim rape if a person decides they regret having consensual sex (or want money, etc.).

Not making a comment like that would have been the smart thing NS. God forbid you should have a daughter and she gets raped. I don't think your words above would be your best response.

Isn't it amazing how rape has become a political tool for the Democrats?

Isn't it amazing how the Republicans seem to hate women?

So opposing abortion and opposing the government handing out birth control means Republicans hate women?

His "explanation" really isn't helping him any:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/state-legislator-criticized-for-comments-on-rape-hj76f4k-173587961.html

What the f*ck is going on with Republicans and rape? Have they all lost their fucking minds?

Sounds like perfectly rationale explanation and advise. It can be easy to claim rape if a person decides they regret having consensual sex (or want money, etc.).

Oh my God. Seriously, night strike. You believe that's a perfectly rational statement to make? As someone who purports to be a Christian, you REALLY need to re-think your perspective.

Having sex outside of marriage can lead to all sorts of issues, including someone having consensual sex and then later claiming it wasn't consensual. That's simply reality and has nothing to do with me being a Christian.

I'm sorry those words are just figments in your imaginary world Juan. In the real world, those words actually have meaning and consequences.

That must be why the recent tax cuts for businesses have created so many jobs then, right? That's why we're just swimming in employment?

You mean the business tax cuts that have been offset by increased regulations, Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, and constant rhetoric of raising taxes on any person or small business that makes over $200,000? Yep, lots of jobs are going to be created when all that big-government is bearing down.