Why you back the National ID act

[xtratabasco]

Why do you support the National ID act.

[vtmarik]

GFY.

[xtratabasco]

GFY.

im sorry, I forgot to put that indians need to be branded too as an option, next time.

[vtmarik]

No, it's just that you're an asshole. I don't care if I'm represented by your myopic, paranoid little mind.

Wording your poll question "why do you back the National ID act?" is the sign of an asshole, rather than "Do you back the National ID act?"

[xtratabasco]

No, it's just that you're an asshole. I don't care if I'm represented by your myopic, paranoid little mind.

Wording your poll question "why do you back the National ID act?" is the sign of an asshole, rather than "Do you back the National ID act?"

thats why its in the flame section, you eistien J-cunt f*ck.

so go back and re-read and re-group.

then vote..... you manditory-ID grouper, lover. LOL

[Neutrino]

No, it's just that you're an asshole. I don't care if I'm represented by your myopic, paranoid little mind.

Wording your poll question "why do you back the National ID act?" is the sign of an asshole, rather than "Do you back the National ID act?"

so go back and re-read and re-group.

Ok then...

Why do you support the National ID act.

GFY.

im sorry, I forgot to put that indians need to be branded too as an option, next time.

Oh, now I realise. Re-reading all your fabulously well-spelled and punctuated posts has opened my eyes and I now realise that you are not a racist asshole after all, and are actually a well balanced, community minded citizen.

I dont know how I could have lived for so long, reading such an august personage's posts and survived, as the sheer brilliance of each and every post should have killed me on the spot.

[xtratabasco]

No, it's just that you're an asshole. I don't care if I'm represented by your myopic, paranoid little mind.

Wording your poll question "why do you back the National ID act?" is the sign of an asshole, rather than "Do you back the National ID act?"

so go back and re-read and re-group.

Ok then...

Why do you support the National ID act.

GFY.

im sorry, I forgot to put that indians need to be branded too as an option, next time.

Oh, now I realise. Re-reading all your fabulously well-spelled and punctuated posts has opened my eyes and I now realise that you are not a racist asshole after all, and are actually a well balanced, community minded citizen.

I dont know how I could have lived for so long, reading such an august personage's posts and survived, as the sheer brilliance of each and every post should have killed me on the spot.

try posting without having hectors baby out your asshole...ok

[Neutrino]

try posting without having hectors baby out your asshole...ok

hecter. As in hecter hecter. Spam King?

If it is him you are refering to then I have a point to make:

In case you havent noticed, he hasnt posted anything in this thread. Nothing. Zero. Why is he being mentioned?

Also, I dont think I have said anything directly to him and I dont think he has sadi anything directly to me. Again, why is he being mentioned?

[xtratabasco]

try posting without having hectors baby out your asshole...ok

hecter. As in hecter hecter. Spam King?

If it is him you are refering to then I have a point to make:

In case you havent noticed, he hasnt posted anything in this thread. Nothing. Zero. Why is he being mentioned?

Also, I dont think I have said anything directly to him and I dont think he has sadi anything directly to me. Again, why is he being mentioned?

did you vote?



LOL

[Neutrino]

try posting without having hectors baby out your asshole...ok

hecter. As in hecter hecter. Spam King?

If it is him you are refering to then I have a point to make:

In case you havent noticed, he hasnt posted anything in this thread. Nothing. Zero. Why is he being mentioned?

Also, I dont think I have said anything directly to him and I dont think he has sadi anything directly to me. Again, why is he being mentioned?

did you vote?



LOL

Did you give me an unbiased poll?

No.

LOL.

[Iliad]

try posting without having hectors baby out your asshole...ok

hecter. As in hecter hecter. Spam King?

If it is him you are refering to then I have a point to make:

In case you havent noticed, he hasnt posted anything in this thread. Nothing. Zero. Why is he being mentioned?

Also, I dont think I have said anything directly to him and I dont think he has sadi anything directly to me. Again, why is he being mentioned?

did you vote?



LOL

If I made a poll:
xtra is a dumbass
xtra is a loser
xtra is a jerk
All of the above

Would you vote?

[Neutrino]

If I made a poll:
xtra is a dumbass
xtra is a loser
xtra is a jerk
All of the above

Would you vote?

Option 4! Option 4!

[Titanic]

If I made a poll:
xtra is a dumbass
xtra is a loser
xtra is a jerk
All of the above

Would you vote?

Option 4! Option 4!

Hell yer!

Make the poll! Make the poll!

[hecter]

Just for you xtra, I'll post on this thread. O, and OPTION FOUR! OPTION FOUR!

[b.k. barunt]

Yea, what he ^^ said.

[vtmarik]

Just for you xtra, I'll post on this thread. O, and OPTION FOUR! OPTION FOUR!

Options 1-4, just because it goes double for him.

[xtratabasco]

thank you all for taking time out of your busy day to vote.

God Bless.

[quadmaster]

i can tell you one thing, xtra, God's not blessing you, and that's for damn sure.

[ritz627]

Way to go, xtra, you spelt Osama wrong.

[ritz627]

And terrorists...but w/e. One can't help but question your political integrity is you can't even spell Osama correctly, and something tells me that you meant to spell Osama that way. Not only that, but your answers are biased and wrong. Do you honestly expect people to take you seriously? Or let alone follow your beliefs?

[Serbia]

If I made a poll:
xtra is a dumbass
xtra is a loser
xtra is a jerk
All of the above

Would you vote?

MAKE THE POLL!

[xtratabasco]

you have 2 flags the US and the Israel one.

I bet you, the murdered and maimed soldiers on the USS Liberty dont share your Jewish/US patrioatism, since the Israelie airforce is the one that bombed us.

Betrayal Behind Israeli
Attack On USS Liberty
By Admiral Thomas Moorer
Houston Chronicle



After State Department officials and historians assembled in Washington, D.C., last week to discuss the 1967 war in the Middle East, I am compelled to speak out about one of U.S. history's most shocking cover-ups.

On June 8, 1967, Israel attacked our proud naval ship -- the USS Liberty -- killing 34 American servicemen and wounding 172. Those men were then betrayed and left to die by our own government.

U.S. military rescue aircraft were recalled, not once, but twice, through direct intervention by the Johnson administration. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara's cancellation of the Navy's attempt to rescue the Liberty, which I personally confirmed from the commanders of the aircraft carriers America and Saratoga, was the most disgraceful act I witnessed in my entire military career.

To add insult to injury, Congress, to this day, has failed to hold formal hearings on Israel's attack on this American ship. No official investigation of Israel's attack has ever permitted the testimony of the surviving crew members.

A 1967 investigation by the Navy, upon which all other reports are based, has now been fully discredited as a cover-up by its senior attorney. Capt. Ward Boston, in a sworn affidavit, recently revealed that the court was ordered by the White House to cover up the incident and find that Israel's attack was "a case of mistaken identity."

Some distinguished colleagues and I formed an independent commission to investigate the attack on the USS Liberty. After an exhaustive review of previous reports, naval and other military records, including eyewitness testimony from survivors, we recently presented our findings on Capitol Hill. They include:

· Israeli reconnaissance aircraft closely studied the Liberty during an eight-hour period prior to the attack, one flying within 200 feet of the ship. Weather reports confirm the day was clear with unlimited visibility. The Liberty was a clearly marked American ship in international waters, flying an American flag and carrying large U.S. Navy hull letters and numbers on its bow.

Despite claims by Israeli intelligence that they confused the Liberty with a small Egyptian transport, the Liberty was conspicuously different from any vessel in the Egyptian navy. It was the most sophisticated intelligence ship in the world in 1967. With its massive radio antennae, including a large satellite dish, it looked like a large lobster and was one of the most easily identifiable ships afloat.

· Israel attempted to prevent the Liberty's radio operators from sending a call for help by jamming American emergency radio channels.

· Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned lifeboats at close range that had been lowered to rescue the most seriously wounded.

As a result, our commission concluded that:

· There is compelling evidence that Israel's attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew.

· In attacking the USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against U.S. servicemen and an act of war against the United States

· The White House knowingly covered up the facts of this attack from the American people.

· The truth continues to be concealed to the present day in what can only be termed a national disgrace.

What was Israel's motive in launching this attack? Congress must address this question with full cooperation from the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency and the military intelligence services.

The men of the USS Liberty represented the United States. They were attacked for two hours, causing 70 percent of American casualties, and the eventual loss of our best intelligence ship.

These sailors and Marines were entitled to our best defense. We gave them no defense.

Did our government put Israel's interests ahead of our own? If so, why? Does our government continue to subordinate American interests to Israeli interests? These are important questions that should be investigated by an independent, fully empowered commission of the American government.

The American people deserve to know the truth about this attack. We must finally shed some light on one of the blackest pages in American naval history. It is a duty we owe not only to the brave men of the USS Liberty, but to every man and woman who is asked to wear the uniform of the United States.


Moorer was chairman of the joint chiefs of staff from 1970 to 1974. He is joined in the independent commission of inquiry by Gen. Ray Davis (recently deceased); Rear Adm. Merlin Staring; former Judge Advocate General of the Navy and Ambassador James Akins.



U.S. Says 1967 Attack Act of Negligence

GUARDIAN (London) Tuesday January 13, 2004 2:31 AM By BARRY SCHWEID AP Diplomatic Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Reviewing documents covering 36 years, amid a lack of consensus, a State Department official concluded Monday that Israel's attack on the U.S. spy ship Liberty during the 1967 Six Day War was an act of Israeli negligence.

The United States also was negligent, the official maintained, for failing to notify Israel that the electronic intelligence-gathering ship was cruising international waters off the Egyptian coast and for failing to withdraw the Liberty from the war zone.

A daylong conference that studied fresh documents as well as the established record failed to produce a consensus for any of three views voiced most often: Israel intentionally attacked what it knew to be a ship of the U.S. Navy, the attack was accidental, or the attack resulted from faulty judgment.

Thirty-four Americans were killed in the June 8, 1967, attack, and more than 170 were wounded.

Israel long has maintained that the attack was a case of mistaken identity, an explanation the Johnson administration did not challenge formally. Israel said its forces thought the Liberty was an Egyptian horse carrier, apologized to the United States and paid almost $13 million in compensation, some to victims or their families.

Since the United States did not intercept the order to attack the ship with cannon fire and napalm, precise facts of the attack remain elusive, the State Department official said Monday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

He called the Israeli attack and the U.S. actions a classic example of Murphy's law: "If anything can go wrong, it will."

David Hatch, a technical director at the National Security Agency, said, "The good news is that information long sought by researchers is now out, and the bad news is that it does not settle it."

The occasion for the State Department conference was the release of historical documents about the 1967 war in which Israel defeated the combined forces of Egypt, Syria, Jordan and other Arab countries in six days.

Charles Smith, a professor at the University of Arizona, said in his presentation that Israel should have known the Liberty was an American ship.

"If they didn't know, they didn't try hard enough to find out," he said.

James Bamford, an investigative journalist who has written about the incident, demanded further investigation "instead of people getting up here and giving their opinions."

"There were cover-ups," Bamford said, citing a signed affidavit by retired Navy Capt. Ward Boston, who was a leader of a military investigation into the incident.

Boston said in the affidavit in October that then-President Johnson and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara had told those heading the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of `mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."

Boston, 80, who did not attend Monday's conference, said the Navy investigators were given only one week but still were able to amass "a vast amount of evidence, including heartbreaking testimony from young survivors."

Accusing Israel of a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and kill its crew, Boston said in a legal declaration in Coronado, Calif., that he was certain the Israel pilots knew the Liberty, which clearly displayed American flags and had markings in English instead of Arabic, was a U.S. Navy ship.

Additionally, Boston said, "Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned three lifeboats that that had been launched in an attempt by the crew to save the most seriously wounded - a war crime."

Adm. Thomas Moorer, a former chief of naval operations and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, wrote in a memorandum on June 8, 1997, the 30th anniversary of the attack, that Israel deliberately attacked to hide its intentions in the war.

"I am confident that Israel knew the Liberty could intercept radio messages from all parties and potential parties to the ongoing war, then in its fourth day, and that Israel was preparing to seize the Golan Heights from Syria despite President Johnson's known opposition to such a move," Moorer wrote.

"I believe (then-Israeli Defense Minister) Moshe Dayan concluded that he could prevent Washington from becoming aware of what Israel was up to by destroying the primary source of acquiring that information, the USS Liberty." Israel took the strategic Syrian territory and still holds it 37 years later.

[ritz627]

What is wrong with you...not only is that racist and wrong, it makes you look like an idiot.

[xtratabasco]

What is wrong with you...not only is that racist and wrong, it makes you look like an idiot.

the truth hurts.

[Backglass]

What is wrong with you...not only is that racist and wrong, it makes you look like an idiot.

He doesn't need a bad cut-n-paste document to do that...he does just fine on his own merit.