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Phatscotty wrote:But as for the 2 people I respect most, one of them who taught me some extremely valuable skills for life and even taught me a lot about how to be a man is at odds with me, he keeps saying "name one person who's rights were violated"
Phatscotty wrote:In a perfect world, this could work, so long as we could trust the government to use government programs the right way and to do the right thing, and to me that includes getting a warrant amongst other things
Phatscotty wrote:I still hold that we can keep the people safe and respect the rights of the American people.
notyou2 wrote:Make sure I understand this.
The US government tramples, no wait, tramples is too light a word, buries for all eternity the privacy rights of all it's citizens (not to mention the privacy rights of the rest of the worlds inhabitants) and some guy with a conscience that knows right from wrong spills the beans, and he has now become the traitor?
Attorney General Eric Holder is known to love his Apple gadgets. But this past weekend, a trip to an Apple store to peruse the selection of iPhones ended abruptly after the attorney general found himself face to face with a man the Justice Department is prosecuting as an enemy of the state.
Mr. Drake was working his shift at the Apple store in Bethesda, Md., when he saw Mr. Holder, along with his Federal Bureau of Investigation security detail, in the store and approached him. Mr. Drake sent the following account of the encounter via email to Jesselyn Radack, an official with the whistleblowing group Government Accountability Project, which is assisting his defense.
āIām Thomas Drake, the former National Security Agency official whoās been in the news,ā Mr. Drake told Mr. Holder
āDo you know why they have come after me?ā he asked the attorney general.
Mr. Holder replied: āYes, I do.ā
To which, Mr. Drake responded: āBut do you know the rest of the story?ā
Without a word, Mr. Holder turned and walked out of the store.
A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment, except to say that Mr. Holder is a āfan of Apple products.ā
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/06/0 ... encounter/
jonesthecurl wrote:Night Strike wrote:patches70 wrote:Haha, the government is collecting data on everyone, bank transactions, passwords, email and everything else they can get a hold of. Information no one here would willingly share with anyone but it's ok for the government to get it?
Who here would like to go ahead and give me all their information? Bank accounts, transactions, passwords, emails, PM's and every key stroke you type every day? Recordings of every phone call? I'd bet no one would. But it's ok for the government to?
And those same Democrats who are defending it now were complaining that Bush was going to find out what books you checked out at the library. This is infinitely MORE intrusive.
It's wrong. To me, it doesn't matter an iota which "party" is doing it. Then again, I am actually left wing. America doesn't have one.
Metsfanmax wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Yes, this traitor was aiding the enemy. The enemy being the rights of the American people, and he sold out the government.
What Snowden did is not responsible whistleblowing. Whistleblower laws, in this case, would protect executive branch employees for reporting this to Congress. Leaking a report to the press at large is not the same as whistleblowing, and it is a gross negligence of his duties.
ooge wrote:jonesthecurl wrote:Night Strike wrote:patches70 wrote:Haha, the government is collecting data on everyone, bank transactions, passwords, email and everything else they can get a hold of. Information no one here would willingly share with anyone but it's ok for the government to get it?
Who here would like to go ahead and give me all their information? Bank accounts, transactions, passwords, emails, PM's and every key stroke you type every day? Recordings of every phone call? I'd bet no one would. But it's ok for the government to?
And those same Democrats who are defending it now were complaining that Bush was going to find out what books you checked out at the library. This is infinitely MORE intrusive.
It's wrong. To me, it doesn't matter an iota which "party" is doing it. Then again, I am actually left wing. America doesn't have one.
Left wing? a party of one,Bernie Sanders.
Woodruff wrote:ooge wrote:jonesthecurl wrote:Night Strike wrote:patches70 wrote:Haha, the government is collecting data on everyone, bank transactions, passwords, email and everything else they can get a hold of. Information no one here would willingly share with anyone but it's ok for the government to get it?
Who here would like to go ahead and give me all their information? Bank accounts, transactions, passwords, emails, PM's and every key stroke you type every day? Recordings of every phone call? I'd bet no one would. But it's ok for the government to?
And those same Democrats who are defending it now were complaining that Bush was going to find out what books you checked out at the library. This is infinitely MORE intrusive.
It's wrong. To me, it doesn't matter an iota which "party" is doing it. Then again, I am actually left wing. America doesn't have one.
Left wing? a party of one,Bernie Sanders.
Eh...some of the Green Party candidates can be pretty left-wing.
ooge wrote:The rumor is Snowden may defect to China,if he does I will then change my vote to traitor.
BANGKOK (AP) ā The British government has issued an alert to airlines around the world, urging them not to allow former U.S. intelligence contractor Edward Snowden to board flights to the United Kingdom.
The Associated Press saw a photograph of the document taken Friday at a Thai airport. A British diplomat confirmed that the document was genuine and was sent out to airlines around the world. A Thai airline also confirmed the alert had been issued.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... k/2422385/
BigBallinStalin wrote:ooge wrote:The rumor is Snowden may defect to China,if he does I will then change my vote to traitor.
AslanTheKing wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:ooge wrote:The rumor is Snowden may defect to China,if he does I will then change my vote to traitor.
Do you know what Hong Kong is?[/quote
hong king, is china
ever been there?
AslanTheKing wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:ooge wrote:The rumor is Snowden may defect to China,if he does I will then change my vote to traitor.
Do you know what Hong Kong is?[/quote
hong king, is china
ever been there?
Metsfanmax wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Yes, this traitor was aiding the enemy. The enemy being the rights of the American people, and he sold out the government.
What Snowden did is not responsible whistleblowing. Whistleblower laws, in this case, would protect executive branch employees for reporting this to Congress. Leaking a report to the press at large is not the same as whistleblowing, and it is a gross negligence of his duties.
Rejoice O young man in thy youth...
Phatscotty wrote:The task falls on us to pass on Freedom. If the youth grow up in a big brother police state mired in civil rights violations by our government, that means we failed.Rejoice O young man in thy youth...
notyou2 wrote:Phatscotty wrote:The task falls on us to pass on Freedom. If the youth grow up in a big brother police state mired in civil rights violations by our government, that means we failed.
Phatscotty finally admitting that he is all for taking a "pass on Freedom." Glad that you finally admitted you are all for the government trumping the rights of the people.
Woodruff wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-charges-snowden-with-espionage/2013/06/21/507497d8-dab1-11e2-a016-92547bf094cc_story.html
So they're charging a spy...with spying.
I wonder if it feels ironic?
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