Marte Deborah Dalelv

by **nietzsche** on Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:04 am

seriously, lol

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-575 ... s-outrage/

that really makes me laugh

so if you are in Dubai, see a foreign woman, rape her, nothing is gonna happen to you.

by **Woodruff** on Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:08 am

nietzsche wrote:seriously, lol

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-575 ... s-outrage/

that really makes me laugh

so if you are in Dubai, see a foreign woman, rape her, nothing is gonna happen to you.

Dubai really is a cesspool of barbarity trying to pretend to be modernized.

by **patches70** on Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:57 am

What? She was pardoned and she's on her way back home.

http://www.france24.com/en/20130722-dub ... e-sentence

by **nietzsche** on Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:53 pm

patches70 wrote:What? She was pardoned and she's on her way back home.

http://www.france24.com/en/20130722-dub ... e-sentence

Pardoned? She deserves an apology.

by **patches70** on Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:59 pm

nietzsche wrote:
patches70 wrote:What? She was pardoned and she's on her way back home.

http://www.france24.com/en/20130722-dub ... e-sentence

Pardoned? She deserves an apology.

Yeah, well, by our standards, sure. But looking at it realistically, she was found guilty of a crime (that we don't consider it a crime is irrelevant, this wasn't in either of our nation). Even in our nation, if someone is wrongly convicted and then found later that shouldn't have been convicted, that someone would get a pardon.

It's just a process. Not much different than any other nation's process actually, of adjudicating a wrongful conviction. What's different is the nature of the charges, which wouldn't ever be done in our nations. But this is Dubai. Completely different culture, different laws, different everything.

At least the guy who allegedly raped her got 13 months in prison. That's not too bad, even for our standards. I dunno, what's the average prison term in the US or Mexico for rape of that nature? And lets not forget the guy wasn't even charged with actual rape, I don't think. If someone were convicted of rape in Dubai I'd bet the sentence would be quite severe, if they even prosecute for rape. I dunno. The way they treat women there might not be such a thing as rape. But I wouldn't be surprised if a rape conviction in Dubai or other middle eastern countries had a minimum sentence of castration, or death. Even for first offenses.

It's just a completely different culture than what we are used to. It's probably a good idea to always remember that.

by **nietzsche** on Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:22 pm

patches70 wrote:
nietzsche wrote:
patches70 wrote:What? She was pardoned and she's on her way back home.

http://www.france24.com/en/20130722-dub ... e-sentence

Pardoned? She deserves an apology.

Yeah, well, by our standards, sure. But looking at it realistically, she was found guilty of a crime (that we don't consider it a crime is irrelevant, this wasn't in either of our nation). Even in our nation, if someone is wrongly convicted and then found later that shouldn't have been convicted, that someone would get a pardon.

It's just a process. Not much different than any other nation's process actually, of adjudicating a wrongful conviction. What's different is the nature of the charges, which wouldn't ever be done in our nations. But this is Dubai. Completely different culture, different laws, different everything.

At least the guy who allegedly raped her got 13 months in prison. That's not too bad, even for our standards. I dunno, what's the average prison term in the US or Mexico for rape of that nature? And lets not forget the guy wasn't even charged with actual rape, I don't think. If someone were convicted of rape in Dubai I'd bet the sentence would be quite severe, if they even prosecute for rape. I dunno. The way they treat women there might not be such a thing as rape. But I wouldn't be surprised if a rape conviction in Dubai or other middle eastern countries had a minimum sentence of castration, or death. Even for first offenses.

It's just a completely different culture than what we are used to. It's probably a good idea to always remember that.

You are correct, but remember her only "real" crime was drinking alcohol. Having sex outside the marriage? Well, she was kind of forced ....

Like the victims of trade that are kidnaped and made to sell drugs in a table dance first, then with the video they are forced into prostitution..

by **patches70** on Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:42 pm

nietzsche wrote:You are correct, but remember her only "real" crime was drinking alcohol. Having sex outside the marriage? Well, she was kind of forced ....

Oh yeah, sure, tossed in jail for alcohol consumption and sex? Ridiculous. It's just not so ridiculous to Dubai.

For myself, I'm a bit more careful passing judgment on other cultures based on what mine is. Not to say I'm not above saying "That's Bullshit, get the hell out of my face". But it's pretty common knowledge that you don't drink in Muslim societies. And sex outside of marriage is also well known as a crime. <shrugs> that's just how Dubai is. Not a bad thing, not a good thing. Just a thing.

As to rape, not even Dubai condones such things. But I believe it's a bit harder to prosecute rape and rape allegations have to meet a certain legal threshold. I think, I'm not too sure about that. But just because she says she was raped it's not treated the same as it would be here.

Not saying she wasn't raped, just saying that it's different in a place like Dubai than what we are used to.
I for one am not the type to abide to such laws, thus I would never visit Dubai or any other middle eastern country. Not because I hate them or have anything against them, but I don't agree with their laws and thus it's much better that I never step foot in such countries.

But if one does go to such countries, it would be wise for them to remember that it's not like their own home countries. Americans are probably the worst when it comes to stuff like that- "You can't treat me like that! I'm and American citizen!"

I remember a few years ago there was a big brew ha over Saudi Arabia beheading a couple of western nurses, British and Australian nurses IIRC. Beheaded for murder and despite the protests of the nurses countries of origin, they got their heads chopped off. Middle eastern countries tend to be pretty harsh in the application of the law, by our standards. People shouldn't forget that.

That's all. Nothing else. I'm glad the woman was able to get out of there and go back home at least. Better than rotting in a Dubai prison for some BS, that's for sure.

by **BigBallinStalin** on Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:33 am

Well, what do you expect from an Islamic dictatorship?

I hear the US is working very hard to prevent Islamic groups from dominating other countries. It's weird that they allow--and even subsidize--other Islamic groups to rule over other people though.

Gee, why the inconsistency? Does the US really care if they're Islamic or not? No.