Should Dukasaur be banned?

[BigBallinStalin]

At the very least, he compares Palestinians to Nazis. Either way, Dukasaur has been acting very hateful in this thread and has yet to apologize for his behavior. This is very unbecoming of a representative of CC.

I don't believe I've directly compared "Palestinians" to Nazis. But if I did, why not? Both advocate the killing of Jews. The comparison is pretty obvious to most people.

Here's you comparing Palestinians to Nazis.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=206788&start=750#p4534113


"But if I did, why not"? Of course, you don't care if you make ignorant, pejorative statements about an entire group of people. Do you find the argument that "most people agree that [black people] advocate [evil policy A]" is a reasonable argument? Do you appeal to an alleged majority opinion because (a) you have reasoned that they are correct, or (b) because their views already conform with yours?


Suppose you're in the 1960s, and you meet someone who says, "black people are violent and racist because the Black Panthers hate white people." Would you say, (A) I agree, or would you ask, (B) do the Black Panthers represent the views of all black people?

According to your past behavior, analogously you would pick (A). How does it feel to support bigoted views?

Seems pretty bigoted to me! People have been banned for making bigoted statements in the fora, so should Dukasaur be banned for making such statements?

[BigBallinStalin]

Here's a brain teaser!

If someone in the forum supports anti-Semitic views, what should be done with them?
If someone in the forum supports anti-Palestinian views, what should be done with them?


If there's a discrepancy between your answers, then you're likely being a racist/bigot.

[saxitoxin]

Yes.

[danfrank666]

Here's a brain teaser!

If someone in the forum supports anti-Semitic views, what should be done with them?
If someone in the forum supports anti-Palestinian views, what should be done with them?


If there's a discrepancy between your answers, then you're likely being a racist/bigot.

How about burnem both. No discrepancy there.

[tzor]

Personally I think that anyone who brings up another member on a forum thread with the suggestion that they should be banned should be banned.

But then I realize that the punishment should involve boiling oil or melted lead, not just banishment.

Yes, it definitely needs to involve melted lead.

But if you want to know the history of the Muslim Brotherhood and the German Nazi Party, as well as the relationship of the Muslim Brotherhood to Hamas, well you can just look it up yourself. Personally I think it is insulting to compare Hamas to Nazis, even the Nazi's at their worst followed all the conventions of war and never used the German people as human shields. They never launched attacks next to hotels where foreign journalists were staying, or used the basements of hospitals to store their weapons, or even disguised their own fighters as civilians so as to artificially raise the wounded count among "civilians."

[saxitoxin]

But if you want to know the history of the Muslim Brotherhood and the German Nazi Party, as well as the relationship of the Muslim Brotherhood to Hamas, well you can just look it up yourself. Personally I think it is insulting to compare Hamas to Nazis, even the Nazi's at their worst followed all the conventions of war and [INSERT IDF PRESS RELEASE HERE]

ok

[tzor]

ok

Those who do not know history ...

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Should at least admit that Wikipedia is not a propaganda tool if the IDF.

[saxitoxin]

ok

Those who do not know history ...

show

Should at least admit that Wikipedia is not a propaganda tool if the IDF.

Since that's an odd reply to "okay," I'll assume you're working through the script. So, pretend - at this point - I say whatever it is that is supposed to prompt your next line and go ahead and post it. Or just skip straight ahead to the end where the Third Secret of Fatima and the location of the Arc of the Covenant works its way into the discussion. You know, whatever.

[BigBallinStalin]

Here's a brain teaser!

If someone in the forum supports anti-Semitic views, what should be done with them?
If someone in the forum supports anti-Palestinian views, what should be done with them?


If there's a discrepancy between your answers, then you're likely being a racist/bigot.

How about burnem both. No discrepancy there.

lol, good one!

[BigBallinStalin]

Personally I think that anyone who brings up another member on a forum thread with the suggestion that they should be banned should be banned.

But then I realize that the punishment should involve boiling oil or melted lead, not just banishment.

Yes, it definitely needs to involve melted lead.

But if you want to know the history of the Muslim Brotherhood and the German Nazi Party, as well as the relationship of the Muslim Brotherhood to Hamas, well you can just look it up yourself. Personally I think it is insulting to compare Hamas to Nazis, even the Nazi's at their worst followed all the conventions of war and never used the German people as human shields. They never launched attacks next to hotels where foreign journalists were staying, or used the basements of hospitals to store their weapons, or even disguised their own fighters as civilians so as to artificially raise the wounded count among "civilians."

Dukasaur is comparing Palestinians to Nazis. If you equate "Hamas" and "Palestinian," then only you can correct your own prejudice.

I ask the community in order to increase my chances of getting good answers. If we followed the implications of your personal opinion, then we'd get less good answers. We'd also discourage community feedback in these matters, so I'm not sure why any reasonable person would want that.

[Metsfanmax]

ok

Those who do not know history ...

show

Should at least admit that Wikipedia is not a propaganda tool if the IDF.

Since that's an odd reply to "okay," I'll assume you're working through the script. So, pretend - at this point - I say whatever it is that is supposed to prompt your next line and go ahead and post it. Or just skip straight ahead to the end where the Third Secret of Fatima and the location of the Arc of the Covenant works its way into the discussion. You know, whatever.

I would hope we can all agree that responding "ok" to a post is pointless and if you are ever tempted to do so, just skip it. If you choose to do so anyway, you deserve whatever comes next.

[GabonX]

At the very least, he compares Palestinians to Nazis. Either way, Dukasaur has been acting very hateful in this thread and has yet to apologize for his behavior. This is very unbecoming of a representative of CC.

I don't believe I've directly compared "Palestinians" to Nazis. But if I did, why not? Both advocate the killing of Jews. The comparison is pretty obvious to most people.

Here's you comparing Palestinians to Nazis.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=206788&start=750#p4534113


"But if I did, why not"? Of course, you don't care if you make ignorant, pejorative statements about an entire group of people. Do you find the argument that "most people agree that [black people] advocate [evil policy A]" is a reasonable argument? Do you appeal to an alleged majority opinion because (a) you have reasoned that they are correct, or (b) because their views already conform with yours?


Suppose you're in the 1960s, and you meet someone who says, "black people are violent and racist because the Black Panthers hate white people." Would you say, (A) I agree, or would you ask, (B) do the Black Panthers represent the views of all black people?

According to your past behavior, analogously you would pick (A). How does it feel to support bigoted views?

Seems pretty bigoted to me! People have been banned for making bigoted statements in the fora, so should Dukasaur be banned for making such statements?

A whole thread on Dukasaur allegedly comparing Palestinians to Nazis, but no mention of Saxitoxin's routine comparison of Israelis to Nazis?

[saxitoxin]

At the very least, he compares Palestinians to Nazis. Either way, Dukasaur has been acting very hateful in this thread and has yet to apologize for his behavior. This is very unbecoming of a representative of CC.

I don't believe I've directly compared "Palestinians" to Nazis. But if I did, why not? Both advocate the killing of Jews. The comparison is pretty obvious to most people.

Here's you comparing Palestinians to Nazis.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=206788&start=750#p4534113


"But if I did, why not"? Of course, you don't care if you make ignorant, pejorative statements about an entire group of people. Do you find the argument that "most people agree that [black people] advocate [evil policy A]" is a reasonable argument? Do you appeal to an alleged majority opinion because (a) you have reasoned that they are correct, or (b) because their views already conform with yours?


Suppose you're in the 1960s, and you meet someone who says, "black people are violent and racist because the Black Panthers hate white people." Would you say, (A) I agree, or would you ask, (B) do the Black Panthers represent the views of all black people?

According to your past behavior, analogously you would pick (A). How does it feel to support bigoted views?

Seems pretty bigoted to me! People have been banned for making bigoted statements in the fora, so should Dukasaur be banned for making such statements?

A whole thread on Dukasaur allegedly comparing Palestinians to Nazis, but no mention of Saxitoxin's routine comparison of Israelis to Nazis?

Whether or not I've compared Israel (a government) to the Nazis, it would be unacceptable for me to say Hebrews (an ethnicity) were all a bunch of Nazis. I don't believe that and would not say that.

Dukasaur, however, through his repeated screeds and rants, has made it quite clear he thinks the Palestinian race is disgusting, sub-human and should be wiped out, and he feels empowered to advance that belief through the boards.

Criticism of a government? Okay. Criticism of a race? Not okay. If you need this explained, maybe the 21st century isn't the ideal century for you.

[mrswdk]

'Palestinian' is not a race.

[saxitoxin]

'Palestinian' is not a race.

You're 100% right. I should have said ethnic group.

[BigBallinStalin]

At the very least, he compares Palestinians to Nazis. Either way, Dukasaur has been acting very hateful in this thread and has yet to apologize for his behavior. This is very unbecoming of a representative of CC.

I don't believe I've directly compared "Palestinians" to Nazis. But if I did, why not? Both advocate the killing of Jews. The comparison is pretty obvious to most people.

Here's you comparing Palestinians to Nazis.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=206788&start=750#p4534113


"But if I did, why not"? Of course, you don't care if you make ignorant, pejorative statements about an entire group of people. Do you find the argument that "most people agree that [black people] advocate [evil policy A]" is a reasonable argument? Do you appeal to an alleged majority opinion because (a) you have reasoned that they are correct, or (b) because their views already conform with yours?


Suppose you're in the 1960s, and you meet someone who says, "black people are violent and racist because the Black Panthers hate white people." Would you say, (A) I agree, or would you ask, (B) do the Black Panthers represent the views of all black people?

According to your past behavior, analogously you would pick (A). How does it feel to support bigoted views?

Seems pretty bigoted to me! People have been banned for making bigoted statements in the fora, so should Dukasaur be banned for making such statements?

A whole thread on Dukasaur allegedly comparing Palestinians to Nazis, but no mention of Saxitoxin's routine comparison of Israelis to Nazis?

What sax said, and it's recently become clear that Duk is fine with comparing Palestinians to Nazis. He doesn't care if he does make such bigoted statements because "Palestinians" means "terrorist Palestinians and Jew-Haters," "blacks" mean "people in charge of bad organizations and who happen to be black," and "the Arabs" means "Arab dictators and terrorist organizations which happen to be run by Arabs." Sure, nothing bigoted going no here. Lemme know when you wake up, Night Strike.

[DoomYoshi]

Jews live in Palestine too.

[BigBallinStalin]

Jews live in Palestine too.

Hold up, DY.

By "Jews," do you mean "Jews which hold an authoritarian level of political power and those Jews which have worked in terrorist organizations like Irgun" or do you mean "Jewish people"? I'm not at all a bigot like Dukasaur because when I say, "the Arabs," I'm only referring to "Arab dictators and Arabic terrorist organizations."

[DoomYoshi]

I mean "Jews, who, according to Jewish Law which dictates that your mother must be Jewish are not "Jews", based on genetic evidence". Specifically, I am referring to the Beastie Boys.

[GabonX]

Is it totally unfair to compare Palestinians to Nazis when they're leader at the time, Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Huseini still revered, helped raise a Muslim army for Hitler?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini






http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_a ... ecruitment


In many ways this guy could be considered the father of Palestinian nationalism (though I'd be interested to see if someone can show evidence of Palestinian nationalism before the Mufti, I'm unaware of such a movement...).

Has the Palestinian attitude towards Jews improved since the days of Haj Amin al-Huseini? How have the Palestinians changed socially?

[saxitoxin]

The following is an example of what a virulently racist post would look like [demonstration purposes only]:

Is it totally unfair to compare Jews to Nazis when they're [sic] leader at the time, Abraham Stern, offered to raise a Jewish army for Hitler and cheered Nazi successes over the Allies?



Stern sought alliance with the Nazis, both because they shared an enemy in Britain and because Lehi shared Hitler’s totalitarian ideology. During the war Sternists openly celebrated Nazi victories on the battlefield.

http://www.wrmea.org/wrmea-archives/283 ... angs.html'





While every speaker referred to this, none mentioned that he was even prepared to collaborate with the Nazis in his bid to repel the British who regarded him as a terrorist.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Lehi-vets-c ... nniversary







In many ways this guy could be considered the father of Jewish nationalism (though I'd be interested to see if someone can show evidence of Jewish nationalism before the Lehi group, I'm unaware of such a movement...).

Has the Jewish attitude in support of fascism improved since the days of Avraham Stern? How have the Jews changed socially?

Replacing the words "Jews" with "Palestinians" doesn't make it any less virulently racist. Anyone who would post that should have their posting privileges examined closely.

[GabonX]

These things aren't even remotely comparable saxi

When Jews worked with rogue elements of the Nazi party to help Jews escape Europe they were doing it to rescue people from the Holocaust. When Haj Amin al-Husseini worked with the Nazis he was doing it in the hopes of extending the Holocaust to Palestine. How in your mind, does trying to save Jewish people from the Holocaust somehow equate trying to extend the Holocaust in your mind?

This is a perfect example of you claiming up is down and left is right.

[GabonX]

Is it totally unfair to compare Jews to Nazis when t̶h̶e̶y̶'̶r̶e̶ [sic] leader at the time, Abraham Stern, offered to raise a Jewish army for Hitler and cheered Nazi successes over the Allies?




In many ways this guy could be considered the father of Jewish nationalism (though I'd be interested to see if someone can show evidence of Jewish nationalism before the Lehi group, I'm unaware of such a movement...).[/color]

Also, Theodore Herzl, a secular Jew is widely regarded as the father of modern Jewish Nationalism. His views were formed because of the need he saw to combat antisemitism.

And of course your quotes and links (one of them broken) don't match your rhetoric.

[Dukasaur]

Saxi, your point is clear, but there is a distinct difference.

Is it totally unfair to compare Palestinians to Nazis when they're leader at the time, Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Huseini still revered, helped raise a Muslim army for Hitler?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini

The following is an example of what a virulently racist post would look like [demonstration purposes only]:

Is it totally unfair to compare Jews to Nazis when they're [sic] leader at the time, Abraham Stern, offered to raise a Jewish army for Hitler and cheered Nazi successes over the Allies?



Stern sought alliance with the Nazis, both because they shared an enemy in Britain and because Lehi shared Hitler’s totalitarian ideology. During the war Sternists openly celebrated Nazi victories on the battlefield.

Replacing the words "Jews" with "Palestinians" doesn't make it any less virulently racist. Anyone who would post that should have their posting privileges examined closely.

Abraham Stern was the leader of a small radical splinter group, rejected by most Jews, and even rejected by most radical Zionist groups.

Al-Husayni was the President of the "All-Palestine Government" (loink) accepted by the Arab League as the legitimate government of Palestine from 1948 to 1958.

What you've done is like comparing Lyndon LaRouche to Theodore Roosevelt.

[GabonX]

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Is it totally unfair to compare Jews to Nazis when t̶h̶e̶y̶'̶r̶e̶ [sic] leader at the time, Abraham Stern, offered to raise a Jewish army for Hitler and cheered Nazi successes over the Allies?

Because that makes sense. Totally not a misrepresentation of facts.