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Rapafugees and Nazis, its a package deal

Postby GoranZ on Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:29 pm

For the first time since then of WW2 German right wing party is part of the parliament. Rapafugees and Nazis, its a package deal, you wont have the second ones if you dont have the first ones.
Its clear yellow card for current German politicians, second one might end up being quite bad for the Muslims in Europe.
So it looks like there are two options how this can be resolved. Send the Muslims where they came from or make them a soap(Nazis preferred option).

Symmetry have you started packing yet or you prefer to become a soap?

Merkel is wounded, AfD is the third political force in Germany
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Re: Rapafugees and Nazis, its a package deal

Postby Thorthoth on Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:05 am

GoranZ wrote:For the first time since then of WW2 German right wing party is part of the parliament. Rapafugees and Nazis, its a package deal, you wont have the second ones if you dont have the first ones.
Its clear yellow card for current German politicians, second one might end up being quite bad for the Muslims in Europe.
So it looks like there are two options how this can be resolved. Send the Muslims where they came from or make them a soap(Nazis preferred option).

Symmetry have you started packing yet or you prefer to become a soap?

Merkel is wounded, AfD is the third political force in Germany


Maybe Germany can convert Israel into a Muslim homeland?
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Re: Rapafugees and Nazis, its a package deal

Postby waauw on Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:46 am

And yet another glorious day where europe proves it does not want far right extremists in government. The nutbags thought the EU would break up after Brexit. Well now, they lost in the Netherlands, lost in France and now lost in Germany. Merkel 33% > AfD 13%

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Re: Rapafugees and Nazis, its a package deal

Postby Bernie Sanders on Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:18 am

GoranZ wrote:For the first time since then of WW2 German right wing party is part of the parliament. Rapafugees and Nazis, its a package deal, you wont have the second ones if you dont have the first ones.
Its clear yellow card for current German politicians, second one might end up being quite bad for the Muslims in Europe.
So it looks like there are two options how this can be resolved. Send the Muslims where they came from or make them a soap(Nazis preferred option).

Symmetry have you started packing yet or you prefer to become a soap?

Merkel is wounded, AfD is the third political force in Germany



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Re: Rapafugees and Nazis, its a package deal

Postby GoranZ on Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:17 pm

waauw wrote:And yet another glorious day where europe proves it does not want far right extremists in government. The nutbags thought the EU would break up after Brexit. Well now, they lost in the Netherlands, lost in France and now lost in Germany. Merkel 33% > AfD 13%

Special thanks to Trump for showing us populism is not a solution.

Not quite rite... Afd went from 4.7%(0 seats) to 12.6%, while Merkel sunk from 41.5% to 32.9%. Now Afd voice will be heard in the Bundestag, first time after WW2.
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Re: Rapafugees and Nazis, its a package deal

Postby waauw on Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:24 pm

GoranZ wrote:
waauw wrote:And yet another glorious day where europe proves it does not want far right extremists in government. The nutbags thought the EU would break up after Brexit. Well now, they lost in the Netherlands, lost in France and now lost in Germany. Merkel 33% > AfD 13%

Special thanks to Trump for showing us populism is not a solution.

Not quite rite... Afd went from 4.7%(0 seats) to 12.6%, while Merkel sunk from 41.5% to 32.9%. Now Afd voice will be heard in the Bundestag, first time after WW2.


Better result =/= winning result, and conversely less good result =/= losing result
AfD meets the exact same problem as almost all far right parties in europe. Nobody wants to start a coalition with them. As long as they don't somehow get a grip on their worst and most racist members, their future looks bleak at best.
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Re: Rapafugees and Nazis, its a package deal

Postby GoranZ on Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:38 pm

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waauw wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
waauw wrote:And yet another glorious day where europe proves it does not want far right extremists in government. The nutbags thought the EU would break up after Brexit. Well now, they lost in the Netherlands, lost in France and now lost in Germany. Merkel 33% > AfD 13%

Special thanks to Trump for showing us populism is not a solution.

Not quite rite... Afd went from 4.7%(0 seats) to 12.6%, while Merkel sunk from 41.5% to 32.9%. Now Afd voice will be heard in the Bundestag, first time after WW2.


Better result =/= winning result, and conversely less good result =/= losing result
AfD meets the exact same problem as almost all far right parties in europe. Nobody wants to start a coalition with them. As long as they don't somehow get a grip on their worst and most racist members, their future looks bleak at best.

It all depends how poorly will Merkel lead now. From the initial results she will not enjoy the commodity she had previously.
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Re: Rapafugees and Nazis, its a package deal

Postby waauw on Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:48 pm

GoranZ wrote:
waauw wrote:Better result =/= winning result, and conversely less good result =/= losing result
AfD meets the exact same problem as almost all far right parties in europe. Nobody wants to start a coalition with them. As long as they don't somehow get a grip on their worst and most racist members, their future looks bleak at best.

It all depends how poorly will Merkel lead now. From the initial results she will not enjoy the commodity she had previously.


Considering Germany's economic prosperity, you can hardly call her a bad leader. Sure, she might have made mistakes concerning immigration, but she's obviously doing something right.
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Re: Rapafugees and Nazis, its a package deal

Postby GoranZ on Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:58 pm

waauw wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
waauw wrote:Better result =/= winning result, and conversely less good result =/= losing result
AfD meets the exact same problem as almost all far right parties in europe. Nobody wants to start a coalition with them. As long as they don't somehow get a grip on their worst and most racist members, their future looks bleak at best.

It all depends how poorly will Merkel lead now. From the initial results she will not enjoy the commodity she had previously.


Considering Germany's economic prosperity, you can hardly call her a bad leader. Sure, she might have made mistakes concerning immigration, but she's obviously doing something right.

I don't think that any other German leader would have done bad when it comes to the economy... After all the Euro favorites Germany and is graveyard for Southern Europe.
When it comes to immigration she did everything wrong, thus AfD managed to enter the Bundestag. And frankly good part of the Germans are not happy with her immigration politics but they know that AfD are no flowers also.
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Re: Rapafugees and Nazis, its a package deal

Postby Bernie Sanders on Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:36 pm

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Re: Rapafugees and Nazis, its a package deal

Postby GoranZ on Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:42 am

Recently I was reading why some voters actually voted for AfD, and the trends will likely to continue in the future unless some German politicians do whats necessary.

'Forgotten' Duisburg voters turn to Germany's far-right AfD

waauw this leaves a lot of room for debate tho.
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Re: Rapafugees and Nazis, its a package deal

Postby waauw on Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:32 am

GoranZ wrote:Recently I was reading why some voters actually voted for AfD, and the trends will likely to continue in the future unless some German politicians do whats necessary.

'Forgotten' Duisburg voters turn to Germany's far-right AfD

waauw this leaves a lot of room for debate tho.


Obviously something has to change. Climate change will only aggrevate migrations from africa. I hope a consensus is found on a european migration policy, because unfortunately this is not something one country alone can solve.

and hopefully we won't hear another "Wir schaffen das".
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Postby Dukasaur on Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:13 am

waauw wrote:
GoranZ wrote:Recently I was reading why some voters actually voted for AfD, and the trends will likely to continue in the future unless some German politicians do whats necessary.

'Forgotten' Duisburg voters turn to Germany's far-right AfD

waauw this leaves a lot of room for debate tho.


Obviously something has to change. Climate change will only aggrevate migrations from africa. I hope a consensus is found on a european migration policy, because unfortunately this is not something one country alone can solve.

and hopefully we won't hear another "Wir schaffen das".


All that's needed is to preserve stability for a couple generations. Migrations always lead to conflict between the locals and the immigrants. It fades with time. The children of the immigrants are comfortable living in both worlds. The grandchildren don't even know what all the fuss was about. Keeping the lid on the conflicts during those first few years is the critical trick.
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Re: Rapafugees and Nazis, its a package deal

Postby waauw on Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:18 am

Dukasaur wrote:
waauw wrote:
GoranZ wrote:Recently I was reading why some voters actually voted for AfD, and the trends will likely to continue in the future unless some German politicians do whats necessary.

'Forgotten' Duisburg voters turn to Germany's far-right AfD

waauw this leaves a lot of room for debate tho.


Obviously something has to change. Climate change will only aggrevate migrations from africa. I hope a consensus is found on a european migration policy, because unfortunately this is not something one country alone can solve.

and hopefully we won't hear another "Wir schaffen das".


All that's needed is to preserve stability for a couple generations. Migrations always lead to conflict between the locals and the immigrants. It fades with time. The children of the immigrants are comfortable living in both worlds. The grandchildren don't even know what all the fuss was about. Keeping the lid on the conflicts during those first few years is the critical trick.


I agree, but the problem is that predictions from both the EU and the UN are that migration could grow by a multitude in coming decades. In other words, we don't have generations time. New solutions and agreements must be reached as soon as possible. There is good reason the EU is now considering increasing investments in Saharan africa.
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Re: Rapafugees and Nazis, its a package deal

Postby GoranZ on Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:00 am

waauw wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
waauw wrote:
GoranZ wrote:Recently I was reading why some voters actually voted for AfD, and the trends will likely to continue in the future unless some German politicians do whats necessary.

'Forgotten' Duisburg voters turn to Germany's far-right AfD

waauw this leaves a lot of room for debate tho.


Obviously something has to change. Climate change will only aggrevate migrations from africa. I hope a consensus is found on a european migration policy, because unfortunately this is not something one country alone can solve.

and hopefully we won't hear another "Wir schaffen das".


All that's needed is to preserve stability for a couple generations. Migrations always lead to conflict between the locals and the immigrants. It fades with time. The children of the immigrants are comfortable living in both worlds. The grandchildren don't even know what all the fuss was about. Keeping the lid on the conflicts during those first few years is the critical trick.


I agree, but the problem is that predictions from both the EU and the UN are that migration could grow by a multitude in coming decades. In other words, we don't have generations time. New solutions and agreements must be reached as soon as possible.

Unfortunately what Dukasaur says doesn't apply for migrants from Muslim background. They dont tend to integrate well in Western societies. They even demand Sharia law in Europe, which is absurd.
Maybe the solution should be to give those people only temporary residing visas, and later generations can get permanent residing visas(if they are integrated properly) but not citizenship. This is similar as countries from the Arabian peninsula.
By doing it this way the radicals will not be able to say that the foreign immigrants will take over their own country and only the economical impact will be left to be solved, but that one is more easily solvable.

waauw wrote:There is good reason the EU is now considering increasing investments in Saharan africa.

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Re: Rapafugees and Nazis, its a package deal

Postby waauw on Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:33 am

GoranZ wrote:
waauw wrote:There is good reason the EU is now considering increasing investments in Saharan africa.

Corruption


I'd like to deny this, but lamentably this might be a valid perspective.
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Re: Rapafugees and Nazis, its a package deal

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:48 am

GoranZ wrote:
waauw wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
All that's needed is to preserve stability for a couple generations. Migrations always lead to conflict between the locals and the immigrants. It fades with time. The children of the immigrants are comfortable living in both worlds. The grandchildren don't even know what all the fuss was about. Keeping the lid on the conflicts during those first few years is the critical trick.


I agree, but the problem is that predictions from both the EU and the UN are that migration could grow by a multitude in coming decades. In other words, we don't have generations time. New solutions and agreements must be reached as soon as possible.

Unfortunately what Dukasaur says doesn't apply for migrants from Muslim background. They dont tend to integrate well in Western societies. They even demand Sharia law in Europe, which is absurd.

No, it works exactly the same way. The immigrants may resist integration; their children much less; and their grandchildren will be so comfortable in their new homes they will not know what all the fuss is about.

Of course there are exceptions, radicalized youth. But they are a tiny minority. The vast majority of the second and third generations of an immigrant family are well integrated.
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