thegreekdog wrote:Oh, you're right. It's $32 trillion that we're not paying for healthcare any more (not $2 trillion). Got it.
thegreekdog wrote:Unrelated - I love this line from jacobin:
jacobin wrote:This is the kind of nonsense we are dealing with here. Tribal affiliations are getting in the way of basic presentations of facts and figures.
Heh, you're hoist(ing?) yourself upon your own petard a bit here. Hoisting, right? That's such a weird phrase.
Anyhow, you're succumbing both to the tribalism you are mocking and the failure of data-driven discourse you bemoaned so diligently earlier. Bruenig has several more articles on the discourse surrounding these analyses in Jacobin that I can provide if you want wherein he continues discussing the failure of these media outlets, from the AP to WaPo and elsewhere, to communicate what these reports are indicating, and how it relates to ol' Bernie's plan. Let me revise your South Park reference.
1. Gov. contribution in current system is $21.927 trillion of the $59.653 trillion in total healthcare spending
2. Therefore $59.653 trillion - $21.927 trillion = $37.726 trillion is covered by non-government spending. That's how much people like you and I are paying currently.
3. Under Bernie's m4a plan, total spending according to these analyses will drop to $57.599 trillion over the ten year span. Remember this is corroborated by partisan and bipartisan/independent analysis. If you want to nitpick Bernie's plan, go for it, but I ain't got time to be reading these bills. Anyhow, the 59-57 here is where the two trillion in savings come from. You don't just subtract it at the end like a dumbshit.
4. Of that, now lower, total spending, gov. spending is expected to be $54.571 trillion which does increase spending to the effect of ($54.571 ā $21.927) $32.644 trillion. This is the number everyone is tripping over their dicks about.
5. Meanwhile, spending by us regular folks drops from $37.726 trillion to ($57.599 - $54.571) $3.028 trillion dollars. I'm not sure what that is coming from actually, because apparently nobody has bothered to report on it that I have seen. Maybe we're still contributing to prescription costs or something. Anyhow, that's about 34 trillion dollars in saving on our end, which will go back to the government (no defense spending or corporate gains taxes required) minus the approximately two trillion dollars that you had no fucking idea where it came from or what to do with.
6. I cockslap you. And if you need to divide it annually so your beady little eyes can process the numbers, move the decimal point to the left one. I don't know if that's how the breakdown works, or if the numbers are front- or back-loaded, but it doesn't matter for our purposes.
7. Universal Healthcare in the US, and two trillion dollars saved.
Like, this was reported in such a way that a lot of people didn't understand what was going on, so don't despair too much. But that 2 trillion dollar savings is still there, and it is distributed amongst taxpayers over the ten year projection.