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Postby HitRed on Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:00 pm

Maybe she considers them the enemy of the people :lol:
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Postby armati on Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:22 pm

Saw a couple of vids, she admits she is no "expert" but seems to have a healthy dislike for Israel.
So, I like her, not that one young woman would have a chance to change anything concerning Israel.

She is right about the media, its just the propaganda arm of the mic now.
Trumps right about the media too.
Not sure where he stands on anything tho.

I still think the way you know a politician is lying is they're lips are moving.
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Postby thegreekdog on Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:08 pm

HitRed wrote:Maybe she considers them the enemy of the people :lol:


To be fair, she got into a little bit of trouble implying that a conservative talk show host was sexually harassing her because he offered her money to debate him.

Also, she's either stupid or has not fully explored the policy implications of her platform; either way, she's not going to do interviews with anyone who is not sympathetic to her (which makes her no different than most politicians).

In any event, this is really bad for her. I feel like the press are going to go apeshit.

armati wrote:Saw a couple of vids, she admits she is no "expert" but seems to have a healthy dislike for Israel.
So, I like her, not that one young woman would have a chance to change anything concerning Israel.


I feel bad for the Jews. They get it from the right and they get it from the left. A candidate for Congress in Minnesota, Ilhan Omar, tweeted (back in 2012) "Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel." Note, she's probably going to win.
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Postby riskllama on Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:19 pm

hmmm...I’m not so sure there, tgd - the west is still pretty gun shy when politicians start bringing Allah along w/them to their debates & platorms.
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Postby Neoteny on Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:01 pm

This was dumb but I saw a comment earlier that made a decent point.

AOC: No press at this one campaign event.
Trump: the press are bad and should be in jail.
The Media: these are the same thing.
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Postby mookiemcgee on Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:44 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
I feel bad for the Jews. They get it from the right and they get it from the left.


I agree, about the Jewish people anyway. With the state of Israel my feeling are a little more complicated...
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Postby mookiemcgee on Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:48 pm

riskllama wrote:hmmm...I’m not so sure there, tgd - the west is still pretty gun shy when politicians start bringing Allah along w/them to their debates & platorms.


She couldn't win anywhere else in the country, but her district is filled with Somali 1st gen immigrants. She already won I'm pretty sure...
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Postby Symmetry on Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:02 am

mookiemcgee wrote:
riskllama wrote:hmmm...I’m not so sure there, tgd - the west is still pretty gun shy when politicians start bringing Allah along w/them to their debates & platorms.


She couldn't win anywhere else in the country, but her district is filled with Somali 1st gen immigrants. She already won I'm pretty sure...


Well, if Fox news is anything to go by, she sounds like a monster:

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Re: Ocasio-Cortez bans press from covering 2 campaign events

Postby armati on Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:39 am

Definitely a socialist, she has a chance, people love to think they are getting free stuff.

The country is already 21 trillion in debt, about a million per household or $400,000 per person at 17 trillion so ya, good plan.

Restore glass steagall???

That is in direct opposition to the owners of the banks and there are far too many supporters of Israel to ever get that pipe dream done.

Higher education for all, that makes me laff, kind of an extension of no child left behind, that worked out great I think.

I wonder if politics always worked this way, just say a bunch of crap and as long as you have enuff advertising dollars you could win.

But as she doesnt like Israel and is even talking glass steagall shes great.
Utterly hopeless but great.
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Postby Symmetry on Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:58 am

armati wrote:Definitely a socialist, she has a chance, people love to think they are getting free stuff.

The country is already 21 trillion in debt, about a million per household or $400,000 per person at 17 trillion so ya, good plan.

Restore glass steagall???

That is in direct opposition to the owners of the banks and there are far too many supporters of Israel to ever get that pipe dream done.

Higher education for all, that makes me laff, kind of an extension of no child left behind, that worked out great I think.

I wonder if politics always worked this way, just say a bunch of crap and as long as you have enuff advertising dollars you could win.

But as she doesnt like Israel and is even talking glass steagall shes great.
Utterly hopeless but great.


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I don't think she paid Fox to advertise that, ar.



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Postby HitRed on Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:16 am

I thought she would end ALL prisons.
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Postby armati on Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:51 am

Trumps had more free ads than anybody.
Historically, he who spends the mostest wins.

course you could be saying those are not her positions and fox is lying.
I dont know her in the least, havnt followed, so I dont know.

in either case, people love what they think is free, maybe fox wants her elected, anyone but Trump maybe.
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Postby Dukasaur on Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:40 pm

It blows my mind that people who accept free primary and secondary education as a basic right, treat free post-secondary education as some kind of bizarre idea from space.

Maybe I'm just weird, but I think if it's good for people to learn high school science without needing to pull out their chequebook, it's good for them to learn university level science on the same terms.
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Postby armati on Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:19 pm

Sure, alot of people agree with that thinking.

The issue with it is, thats socialism.

The issue with socialism is as Thatcher said "eventually, you run out of other peoples money".

Money goes where it is best treated, same as gold. Well, gold is money.

Tax too much and wealthy people, the people with the money, will move to better tax rate jurisdictions thus reducing taxes collected from the companies and reducing the employment also reducing tax collection and increasing government hand outs causing the need for more taxes.


On the other hand, with capitalism the factories moved simply for lower wages anyway.
Wallstreet and share holders were jumping for joy of course.

Basically the average person is probly doomed either way.
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Postby Neoteny on Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:40 pm

Socialism is not free education. Socialism is workers owning the fruits of their labor. You can Google that. Free education is social democracy, which is what Sanders and AOC and the like are striving for. Which is fine. Better than your average Democrat. But it's still capitalism, and why DSA endorsing these cats is kinda dumb. Just because Alex Jones says it's socialism doesn't actually mean it is.

For someone who claims to know so much about economics, you sure seem to lack even a basic understanding. It's hard to be too hard on you though. On top of the normal antisocialist propaganda most of us in the west are constantly bombarded with, and whom a large number of people swallow hook, line, and sinker, you have even succumbed to Nazi propaganda, so we clearly can't expect much out of you.
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Postby armati on Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:36 pm

"Socialism is not free education" You actually believe that.
"workers owning the fruits of their labor" thats capitalism, which you dont seem to understand.

I really could care less what Bernie Sanders says, he is a socialist promising people everything they want will be free.
They way you tell a politician is lying is their lips move.

I have no idea what AJ position on it is, you sure seem to be infatuated with him tho.

Free education or not, white man western glory days are over.

If you really wanted to, which I know you dont, you could find out what the Mises Institute is about.

The Mises Institute, short name for Ludwig von Mises Institute for Austrian Economics, is a tax-exempt educative organization located in Auburn, Alabama, United States. It is named after Austrian School economist Ludwig von Mises

Now obviously you really dont like Ron Paul, who is a capitalist that wants military on home turf etc

Again, not that you want to educate yourself but you could take the time and listen to him, he did run for president but the media didnt like him so you dont either Im sure.
Please dont tell me you do agree with his thinking, he is not a socialist in any way.

Then again, ignorance is bliss.
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Postby patches70 on Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:23 pm

Name a single country in the world that has free education. I guarantee every teacher in any supposed "free" education is getting paid, thus, education is not free. I guarantee that every school needs supplies which have to be paid for, thus not "free".

What you all are advocating is State Run education. In the US State Run Education has been going great!

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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... h-science/

Now, let's look at the cost of this <cough cough> stellar performance of the US education system.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-educati ... udy-shows/

The US spends more than any other developed nation in the world per student. Well, if throwing money at something helped, the US would be doing great. And the socialists idea is to keep throwing even more money at it. I bet if we toss enough money down a bottomless pit the US can get all the way down to dead last in education performance in the world.


For the Love of God, if you have caught yourself saying the words "free education", slap yourself right in the face, because you are full of shit. Or you don't know what "free" means. There is no such thing as free education, so please, people, stop using the term free education.
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Postby Neoteny on Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:24 pm

patches70 wrote:ThErE iS nO sUcH tHiNg As FrEe EdUcAtIoN, sO pLeAsE, pEoPlE, sToP uSiNg ThE tErM fReE eDuCaTiOn.


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Hey look greek! A bigger pedant than you! Hey patches, what do your teenage-ass kids think about the mocking spongebob meme?

armati wrote:"Socialism is not free education" You actually believe that.
"workers owning the fruits of their labor" thats capitalism, which you dont seem to understand.

I really could care less what Bernie Sanders says, he is a socialist promising people everything they want will be free.
They way you tell a politician is lying is their lips move.

I have no idea what AJ position on it is, you sure seem to be infatuated with him tho.

Free education or not, white man western glory days are over.

If you really wanted to, which I know you dont, you could find out what the Mises Institute is about.

The Mises Institute, short name for Ludwig von Mises Institute for Austrian Economics, is a tax-exempt educative organization located in Auburn, Alabama, United States. It is named after Austrian School economist Ludwig von Mises

Now obviously you really dont like Ron Paul, who is a capitalist that wants military on home turf etc

Again, not that you want to educate yourself but you could take the time and listen to him, he did run for president but the media didnt like him so you dont either Im sure.
Please dont tell me you do agree with his thinking, he is not a socialist in any way.

Then again, ignorance is bliss.


You could have saved yourself some time and the obviously crippling pain of trying to think if you had just typed "I'm not going to google "socialism." and slapped submit.
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Postby armati on Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:28 pm

Read what patches posted.
If you dont understand keep reading until you do.

Oh, and Im not going to google socialism. lol
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Postby Neoteny on Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:29 pm

armati wrote:Read what patches posted.
If you dont understand keep reading until you do.

Oh, and Im not going to google socialism. lol


lol clearly.
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Postby Neoteny on Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:29 pm

Also, nobody on this forum has heard of Ron Paul. There's no precedent on here for anyone talking about Ron fucking Paul.
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Postby patches70 on Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:41 pm

Hey, I'm still waiting, any one, name a single country in the world where the education is free.

The reason socialists have to use the word "free" is because they have to trick people into supporting their platform. "Free" has connotations, after all who doesn't want free stuff? Socialists like Bernie Sanders and this Ocasio Cortex are charlatans. Bernie more so, as Ocasio is young with very little life experience. She might not know better, but Bernie does. He's laughing all the way to the bank.

Socialists also appear to be really, really bad at math.

If you wanna have an honest discussion on socialism then stop using dishonest terms and arguments supporting it. How about laying out exactly how socialism is going to solve supply and demand issues, how to efficiently allocate resources with no price discovery, how to implement accountability for failures or how to enforce compliance without coercion. And that's just a start for all the problems with socialism. Especially in the US which is so vast, so varied that different regions have completely different economies in terms of size and scope. There is no one size fits all that can be applied to the United States. Socialism always comes down to a tiny group of elites who think they know what's best for each and every individual. And for these elites, who I assume are human beings just as fallible and flawed as the rest of us, always have to resort to authoritarianism, coercion and violence to enforce their vision of what society should be.

I especially chuckle at the "seize the means of production!" calls. yeah, that's a great idea, seize the industries that are run by people who know how to run those industries and give them to.....who? It's been tried, and it never ends well.
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Postby 2dimes on Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:03 pm

Neoteny wrote:Also, nobody on this forum has heard of Ron Paul. There's no precedent on here for anyone talking about Ron fucking Paul.


Are you sure? The name seems familiar.
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Postby Neoteny on Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:23 pm

patches70 wrote:I especially chuckle at the "seize the means of production!" calls. yeah, that's a great idea, seize the industries that are run by people who know how to run those industries and give them to.....who? It's been tried, and it never ends well.


Haha, yeah, it's hilarious to think that private enterprise is as inefficient or worse than public activity, but we somehow believe that the ever-burgeoning fields of wage theft and labor abuse =efficiency. Let's take everyone's favorite entrepreneur, Elon Musk. NASA made it from zero to the moon in about a decade, and SpaceX has been going for fifteen years and can barely make orbit. Weird. Banks destroyed the economy and had to be bailed out by taxpayers. History is rife with examples like these. Tell me again about the efficiency of private enterprise.
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