Atheism. Is there more to it than just mocking people?

by **GabonX** on Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:47 pm

armati wrote:I didnt see anyone mention the Sumerians or the Anunnaki, not even the book of Enoch.

How come when religion is discussed nobody mentions those cuneiform tablets, I would think they are getting hard to ignore.

It's not hard.

by **Neoteny** on Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:50 pm

I am though. Tell me more about these tablets.

by **GabonX** on Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:54 pm

I assume they're heresies against the one God.

by **armati** on Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:22 pm

OK, you guys have never heard of the Sumerians.
Fair enough.

Its where our beer comes from.

@ GabonX yes its all heresy. Its all about the great one eye.

by **GabonX** on Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:26 pm

I've heard of them. I just don't feel inclined to worship winged bulls with human heads.

by **armati** on Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:41 pm

Every time you drink a beer your worshiping that winged bull with the human head.

It was written in stone, all who partake in my fluids he shall be worshiping me for ever as long as time is counted, now matter what the gods or goddesses shall ever be named thou shall remember me within my succulent fluid.
Around tables at supper ye shall remember me with wine and beer for within each of you I do put the love of my fluids.
And the love shall be so great thou will drink more than thy fill and act as those that love winged bulls with human heads.

Seems kinda true to me, it was written in stone.

by **GabonX** on Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:49 pm

Nah, God smote those pagans for a reason.

Modern beer was created independently many times over by many different people. There's roughly 100,000 years of unrecorded human prehistory before the Sumerians. I doubt they were even the first to have beer even if they're the first we know had it.

by **armati** on Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:39 am

100,000 years of unrecorded human prehistory??
I thought one god people figured 10,000 was all people have been around 5,000 years for the truly enlightened believers.

100,000 years of unrecorded human prehistory is sounding a little paganish to me.

smote those pagans, i got a gigle from that one, altho there was some smoteing I think, the genies,leprechauns and unicorns got smoted too I think.
Gandalf did some smoteing....I smote his ruin...when he was talking about the balrog.

by **armati** on Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:42 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_beer
In Mesopotamia (ancient Iraq), early evidence of beer is a 3900-year-old Sumerian poem honoring Ninkasi, the patron goddess of brewing, which contains the oldest surviving beer recipe, describing the production of beer from barley via bread.

by **armati** on Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:44 am

Sip Like a Sumerian: Ancient Beer Recipe Recreated from Millennia ...
https://www.ancient-origins.net/.../sip ... millenni...
Jul 11, 2017 - The ancient art of beer-making goes back at least 6,000 years and, in recent ... beer recipes, as recorded in millennia-old cuneiform tablets.

by **mookiemcgee** on Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:18 am

armati wrote:
@ GabonX yes its all heresy. Its all about the great one eye.

Is this a dick joke? and did anyone post rock porn yet?

by **jonesthecurl** on Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:41 am

Details escape me, but I believe i read that "alcohol" as a word has roots going back at least as far as any other word.

by **warmonger1981** on Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:44 am

What nobody likes my videos? I would assume that Evolution would be able to explain the coincidences in measurements. As far as tectonic plates go. I've heard that the tectonic plates don't move as fast as the water erosion from the oceans to the land masses. So how can tectonic plates create new land when the oceans are eroding it faster than it's made.? Just what I heard don't know if it's fact. Since we're talking about tablets. I like The Emerald Tablets. It if all religions are so different why do they have so many coincidences with the third eye or flood myths? Even pyramid building.?

by **Neoteny** on Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:02 am

Oh god, yes, tell me all about those wet, dirty rocks.

by **jonesthecurl** on Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:00 am

Neoteny wrote:Oh god, yes, tell me all about those wet, dirty rocks.

Did the earth move for you?

by **Neoteny** on Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:27 am

I get tremors just thinking about it.

by **warmonger1981** on Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:53 pm

warmonger1981 wrote:let me explain you something..... religion doesn't pretend to understand how everything works... religion is a constant work in progress. Some religions try to figure out things that they don't understand and there isn't an answer to everything, it's all baby steps.
Something human has had the tendency to do throughout time is to think this way; "I don't understand this, so as I don't understand it, it means that it must be the work of a greater power" Using mans understanding to explain Gods laws through the scientific method.

Is it a possibility that science can explain God with baby steps? I'm not sitting here claiming to know everything. I believe that God created this. But I believe this without truly understanding God. You believe this is all created out of random energy. Without understanding where that energy came from it seems that you are trying to present a final conclusion without understanding the premise. And yes I understand it is possible to have Clues to lead you back to the source. So we are both in the same boat with different ideologies. You believe one thing and I believe another. Either way we both know that we exist. Or at least we know it until we're dead.

betiko.
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by **Symmetry** on Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:33 pm

warmonger1981 wrote:Can anybody explain in detail how hard matter can become a living organism. Step by step please. Unfortunately schools teach evolution without being able to prove it. The same thing for religion. Atheism and religion are Faith. Not fact. And if you're in a public place people have the right to pray just as I have a right to take your picture. If you don't like praying or get your picture taken stay home.

I'd highly recommend Richard Dawkins for this- particularly The Selfish Gene. I know Dawkins has become atheist asshole in chief of late, but his earlier books on evolutionary biology are great popular science introductions to the subject. Climbing Mount Improbable and The Blind Watchmaker are also great.

Evolution is a simple idea at its heart, but massively complex in its implications and methods. Dawkins does some good work explaining how something complex can evolve out of something simple. If you're genuinely interested in getting the basic ideas, the books are well-read enough that they should be a cheap buy second hand.

by **Neoteny** on Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:46 pm

Selfish Gene holds up and Ancestor's Tale is the one that stuck with me the most. You can absolutely ignore his religion stuff.

by **jonesthecurl** on Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:49 pm

I'd also recommend Stephen jay Gould, especially The Panda's Thumb.

by **Symmetry** on Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:11 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:I'd also recommend Stephen jay Gould, especially The Panda's Thumb.

Good call, I wanted to recommend him, as he has a slightly different take than Dawkins, but I haven't read much by him- Bully for Brontosaurus is the one that stands out, but it's an essay collection, ifirc.

Will check out Panda's Thumb though.

by **Bigbullets** on Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:43 am

Symmetry wrote:
warmonger1981 wrote:Can anybody explain in detail how hard matter can become a living organism. Step by step please. Unfortunately schools teach evolution without being able to prove it. The same thing for religion. Atheism and religion are Faith. Not fact. And if you're in a public place people have the right to pray just as I have a right to take your picture. If you don't like praying or get your picture taken stay home.

I'd highly recommend Richard Dawkins for this- particularly The Selfish Gene. I know Dawkins has become atheist asshole in chief of late, but his earlier books on evolutionary biology are great popular science introductions to the subject. Climbing Mount Improbable and The Blind Watchmaker are also great.

Evolution is a simple idea at its heart, but massively complex in its implications and methods. Dawkins does some good work explaining how something complex can evolve out of something simple. If you're genuinely interested in getting the basic ideas, the books are well-read enough that they should be a cheap buy second hand.

The naturally occurring mutations required for evolution to occur, have never been observed. Not once.

Without those mutations, evolution is not only improbable, it's impossible.

by **Symmetry** on Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:52 am

Bigbullets wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
warmonger1981 wrote:Can anybody explain in detail how hard matter can become a living organism. Step by step please. Unfortunately schools teach evolution without being able to prove it. The same thing for religion. Atheism and religion are Faith. Not fact. And if you're in a public place people have the right to pray just as I have a right to take your picture. If you don't like praying or get your picture taken stay home.

I'd highly recommend Richard Dawkins for this- particularly The Selfish Gene. I know Dawkins has become atheist asshole in chief of late, but his earlier books on evolutionary biology are great popular science introductions to the subject. Climbing Mount Improbable and The Blind Watchmaker are also great.

Evolution is a simple idea at its heart, but massively complex in its implications and methods. Dawkins does some good work explaining how something complex can evolve out of something simple. If you're genuinely interested in getting the basic ideas, the books are well-read enough that they should be a cheap buy second hand.

The naturally occurring mutations required for evolution to occur, have never been observed. Not once.

Without those mutations, evolution is not only improbable, it's impossible.

Ok- so I just googled this "naturally occuring mutations observed"

And came up with these results:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=naturally+occuring+mutations+observed&oq=naturally+occuring+mutations+observed&aqs=chrome..69i57.16394j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

You've set a weird standard here, but you've also not really done even the most basic research. If I can disprove your standard with a google search and find scientific papers that show observable naturally occurring mutation, you're wrong, right?

Or are you going to move the goalposts?

by **TA1LGUNN3R** on Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:55 am

Symmetry wrote:
Bigbullets wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
warmonger1981 wrote:Can anybody explain in detail how hard matter can become a living organism. Step by step please. Unfortunately schools teach evolution without being able to prove it. The same thing for religion. Atheism and religion are Faith. Not fact. And if you're in a public place people have the right to pray just as I have a right to take your picture. If you don't like praying or get your picture taken stay home.

I'd highly recommend Richard Dawkins for this- particularly The Selfish Gene. I know Dawkins has become atheist asshole in chief of late, but his earlier books on evolutionary biology are great popular science introductions to the subject. Climbing Mount Improbable and The Blind Watchmaker are also great.

Evolution is a simple idea at its heart, but massively complex in its implications and methods. Dawkins does some good work explaining how something complex can evolve out of something simple. If you're genuinely interested in getting the basic ideas, the books are well-read enough that they should be a cheap buy second hand.

The naturally occurring mutations required for evolution to occur, have never been observed. Not once.

Without those mutations, evolution is not only improbable, it's impossible.

Ok- so I just googled this "naturally occuring mutations observed"

And came up with these results:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=naturally+occuring+mutations+observed&oq=naturally+occuring+mutations+observed&aqs=chrome..69i57.16394j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

You've set a weird standard here, but you've also not really done even the most basic research. If I can disprove your standard with a google search and find scientific papers that show observable naturally occurring mutation, you're wrong, right?

Or are you going to move the goalposts?

Bru, i know you've got like an obsessive personality where you can't let things go, but let it go.

He's either a troll, like i said before, or his mind blanks at the mention of anything remotely genetic. All those acids and stuff in a helix? A double one?

It's not worth the effort.

by **djelebert** on Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:56 am

armati wrote:Sip Like a Sumerian: Ancient Beer Recipe Recreated from Millennia ...
https://www.ancient-origins.net/.../sip ... millenni...
Jul 11, 2017 - The ancient art of beer-making goes back at least 6,000 years and, in recent ... beer recipes, as recorded in millennia-old cuneiform tablets.

finally, it's apparently not a sumerian fact but natufian.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/13000-yea ... the-world/

Neoteny wrote:But can you tell me when rocks started having sex?

I don't know when, but here is a stone gang bang :

concerning the topic.... pfffffff It's like debating who between religion or science has the answer of sempiternel debate about which came first egg or chicken.