How long will Chicago suffer?

[HitRed]

7 dead and another 41 with gunshot wounds in 1 weekend. Just 1 weekend!

[Dukasaur]

Yeah, the cheap supply of guns in the U.S. has certainly made it easy for people who think violence will solve their problems.

By the time they find out they're wrong, it's too late.

[HitRed]

I don't own a gun. How cheep is the cheapest real gun you ever bought?

[Dukasaur]

I don't own a gun. How cheep is the cheapest real gun you ever bought?

We bought a gun for $35 once. That was in '71, though, when owning a handgun legally was still fairly easy in Canada. Wouldn't happen today.

I read in the papers that in major American cities, the going rate for a handgun is two grams of coke, or about $250. That's ludicrously cheap. Just think about being a pissed-off young man who moves in those circles, in that 16 to 20 year-old range when the fists move faster than the brain. Someone just ripped you off. A gun is $250. You may already have one. For sure a bunch of your friends do. Bam, bam, bam. One person is dead, another goes to jail for life. Two families ruined forever. It's just too easy.

[mrswdk]

Why would a rich politician care about that when they could be busy topping up their tan on a yacht in the Hudson though?

[NomadPatriot]

you can get a handgun or shotgun in any pawn shop for $300..

I am glad there are so many guns in America.. it means no army can successfully invade us..
a citizen armed resistance is not something to F with..
London banned guns basically and killers turned to knives.. there are multiple knife attacks daily in London..
the weapon isn't the problem. the problem is the reason why are the killers wanting to kill

the El Paso shooter was tired of illegal immigrants invading his country.
Trump has been trying to stop illegal immigration..
is Trump solving the problem of the weapon or the problem of the reason.. ?

the answer is trying to solve the problem of the reason..
if White Supremists are killing people because they are tired of illegal immigration, and Trump stops illegal immigration to a massively significant level.. Trump is removing their reason to be angry.. removing their reason to want to kill
thus solving the problem..

[mrswdk]

I am glad there are so many guns in America.. it means no army can successfully invade us..

Yeah, it's not the $700billion military budget and two massive oceans on either side, it's Fat Joe and the gun he keeps in his shed.

if White Supremists are killing people because they are tired of illegal immigration, and Trump stops illegal immigration to a massively significant level.. Trump is removing their reason to be angry.. removing their reason to want to kill

I like how some nutter guns down a few dozen people in a supermarket and you blame illegal immigrants for inspiring the shooting. Didn't Trump say it was video games' fault?

[NomadPatriot]

obviously you have not read his manifesto Ma'am...

also, just ignore the 1st word of that quote... it won't fit your narrative

why don't you reference the Democrat killing 9 people in Ohio.. ?
why do you only focus on the White Supremist..?

[HitRed]

$250 is still a chunk of change. More so to a teenager. Seems moving to Normal, Bloomington or Peoria would be my first choice (fleeing). Being a farmer sounds better than living in constant fear. Believe me I don't have the patience to be a farmer but it sounds safer.

What would a game changer for Chicago for look like? Pay people to leave? Bicycle cops on every corner? Cameras everywhere? Tax free employment?

[NomadPatriot]

$250 is still a chunk of change. More so to a teenager. Seems moving to Normal, Bloomington or Peoria would be my first choice (fleeing). Being a farmer sounds better than living in constant fear. Believe me I don't have the patience to be a farmer but it sounds safer.

What would a game changer for Chicago for look like? Pay people to leave? Bicycle cops on every corner? Cameras everywhere? Tax free employment?

1st step : figure out why so many blacks are killing each other. attempt to solve that problem. maybe take a poll of everyone currently caught and in prison for killing someone in Chicago. ask them why they did it.
( most likely the main reason would involve some sort of Social Media scenario.. )

what I have noticed is the rise of shootings & Knife Attacks worldwide in general coincides with the rise of the Global Social Media platforms.

[Dukasaur]

$250 is still a chunk of change. More so to a teenager. Seems moving to Normal, Bloomington or Peoria would be my first choice (fleeing). Being a farmer sounds better than living in constant fear. Believe me I don't have the patience to be a farmer but it sounds safer.

That would be my first choice too, but few people would take that option. For most people, staying in the circle of people and places they know is important. Starting over somewhere else may be objectively the best thing, but subjectively the idea of leaving behind your friends and your family and your whole support network is just too scary.

What would a game changer for Chicago for look like? Pay people to leave? Bicycle cops on every corner? Cameras everywhere? Tax free employment?

Ultimately I don't think there's any point asking people to leave. The trend over time is for societies to get more urbanized, not less. Cities are getting bigger, and pushing some people out today is just making more room for the ones who come tomorrow. You won't change an overall trend.

More cameras help a little bit, but only a little bit. They won't stem the tide.

Really there's two major things you need to do. First is end the War on Drugs. Eliminates three-quarters of the gang warfare and probably at least half the murders. Put the drugs in the hands of trained and licensed dispensers in legal, taxpaying establishments.

Second, and I think you know this, is stop making the guns so ridiculously easy to get. End mail-order and other ways of getting a gun anonymously. Make sure that to buy a gun, someone has to show up at a licensed gun shop, put their thumbprint on a license application, and show proof-of-age. Personally, I'd want them to also show proof of gainful employment, but that might be a really hard sell politically.

No handguns to anyone under 25, ever. (Except maybe for training purposes, at a certified range, under supervision.) They're just not emotionally stable enough. Long guns with small magazines are okay for younger people, provided that they've passed a certified gun safety course. It's good for a kid to learn early on how to hunt his own food. Of course, if someone in Chicago came and asked me for a .306, I'd ask pointed questions about what they hunt and where.

[NomadPatriot]

$250 is still a chunk of change. More so to a teenager. Seems moving to Normal, Bloomington or Peoria would be my first choice (fleeing). Being a farmer sounds better than living in constant fear. Believe me I don't have the patience to be a farmer but it sounds safer.

That would be my first choice too, but few people would take that option. For most people, staying in the circle of people and places they know is important. Starting over somewhere else may be objectively the best thing, but subjectively the idea of leaving behind your friends and your family and your whole support network is just too scary.

What would a game changer for Chicago for look like? Pay people to leave? Bicycle cops on every corner? Cameras everywhere? Tax free employment?

Ultimately I don't think there's any point asking people to leave. The trend over time is for societies to get more urbanized, not less. Cities are getting bigger, and pushing some people out today is just making more room for the ones who come tomorrow. You won't change an overall trend.

More cameras help a little bit, but only a little bit. They won't stem the tide.

Really there's two major things you need to do. First is end the War on Drugs. Eliminates three-quarters of the gang warfare and probably at least half the murders. Put the drugs in the hands of trained and licensed dispensers in legal, taxpaying establishments.

Second, and I think you know this, is stop making the guns so ridiculously easy to get. End mail-order and other ways of getting a gun anonymously. Make sure that to buy a gun, someone has to show up at a licensed gun shop, put their thumbprint on a license application, and show proof-of-age. Personally, I'd want them to also show proof of gainful employment, but that might be a really hard sell politically.

No handguns to anyone under 25, ever. (Except maybe for training purposes, at a certified range, under supervision.) They're just not emotionally stable enough. Long guns with small magazines are okay for younger people, provided that they've passed a certified gun safety course. It's good for a kid to learn early on how to hunt his own food. Of course, if someone in Chicago came and asked me for a .306, I'd ask pointed questions about what they hunt and where.

sorry Women under 25. no concealable Hand Guns for you.
you have to fight off the rapists who are likely twice your size with mace or a knife. or carry a Long Rifle on your shoulder when you go out

good luck ladies

but obviously someone doesn't understand how 'Mail ordering a gun" actually works.
it never gets delivered to a individuals home Anonymously. .( you f-ing idiot) . it gets delivered to a Federally Licensed Gun Dealer and you have to go get it. and before getting it you have to go through the process of seeing if you are allowed to actually have it..
then stereotyping people based on what ammo they buy... Yeah.. pure genius.
way too many .306 bolt action Rifle Snipers out there..

and Duk wants the government to sell Heroin & Cocaine. .because the government can 'Train people' to sell it properly.. -the Government Trained drug sellers will cut it correctly for maximum Addiction/ profit.. because it's all about that tax money..

good gosh this guy is f-ing insane..

[Jdsizzleslice]

Really there's two major things you need to do. First is end the War on Drugs. Eliminates three-quarters of the gang warfare and probably at least half the murders. Put the drugs in the hands of trained and licensed dispensers in legal, taxpaying establishments.

The "War On Drugs" won't solve the issue of illegally obtained firearms, or vice versa.

Second, and I think you know this, is stop making the guns so ridiculously easy to get. End mail-order and other ways of getting a gun anonymously. Make sure that to buy a gun, someone has to show up at a licensed gun shop, put their thumbprint on a license application, and show proof-of-age. Personally, I'd want them to also show proof of gainful employment, but that might be a really hard sell politically.

Chicago already has some of the most strict gun laws, and yet has some of the most gun crime. I'm all for making sure that only the right people obtain new firearms by making sure they are thoroughly checked, but this cannot account for unregistered firearms or illegally obtained firearms. I think this has more to do with the legal permit, and not on the firearm itself.

No handguns to anyone under 25, ever. (Except maybe for training purposes, at a certified range, under supervision.) They're just not emotionally stable enough. Long guns with small magazines are okay for younger people, provided that they've passed a certified gun safety course. It's good for a kid to learn early on how to hunt his own food. Of course, if someone in Chicago came and asked me for a .306, I'd ask pointed questions about what they hunt and where.

Bit of a stretch to say everyone under 25 is too emotional to buy, own, and maintain a handgun in a safe way, no? What is the reasoning for 25? I would agree with some but not all. Blanket statements are almost never true. Like saying all Trump supporters are all racists, or all liberals are crazy, etc...

[HitRed]

Ok, how about the tax free employment zone to get more people employed and off the streets? When I was younger I worked so much overtime I didn't have the energy to party much. Kept me out of trouble and made the bank account fat.

[mrswdk]

When I was younger I worked so much overtime I didn't have the energy to party much.

The American Dream.

[NomadPatriot]

people who live in their parents basement and have no job do not understand Overtime is typically voluntary..

[jimboston]

you can get a handgun or shotgun in any pawn shop for $300..

I am glad there are so many guns in America.. it means no army can successfully invade us..
a citizen armed resistance is not something to F with..
London banned guns basically and killers turned to knives.. there are multiple knife attacks daily in London..
the weapon isn't the problem. the problem is the reason why are the killers wanting to kill

the El Paso shooter was tired of illegal immigrants invading his country.
Trump has been trying to stop illegal immigration..
is Trump solving the problem of the weapon or the problem of the reason.. ?

the answer is trying to solve the problem of the reason..
if White Supremists are killing people because they are tired of illegal immigration, and Trump stops illegal immigration to a massively significant level.. Trump is removing their reason to be angry.. removing their reason to want to kill
thus solving the problem..

Trump is feeding their hatred.

I think you know this but refuse to accept the truth.

Either way... whether you’re ignorant of the truth or know it and refuse to acknowledge it... either way I feel sorry for you.

[jimboston]

you can get a handgun or shotgun in any pawn shop for $300..

I am glad there are so many guns in America.. it means no army can successfully invade us..
a citizen armed resistance is not something to F with..
London banned guns basically and killers turned to knives.. there are multiple knife attacks daily in London..
the weapon isn't the problem. the problem is the reason why are the killers wanting to kill

the El Paso shooter was tired of illegal immigrants invading his country.
Trump has been trying to stop illegal immigration..
is Trump solving the problem of the weapon or the problem of the reason.. ?

the answer is trying to solve the problem of the reason..
if White Supremists are killing people because they are tired of illegal immigration, and Trump stops illegal immigration to a massively significant level.. Trump is removing their reason to be angry.. removing their reason to want to kill
thus solving the problem..

BTW...how does shooting up a garlic festival stop the invasion of illegal immigrants.

Did the shooter check their ID’s before he started firing? Or did he assume they were illegal “just because” they “looked Mexican”?

Your logic only makes sense if the shooter is at the border firing on people as they cross.

[HitRed]

The left is feeding their hatred.

I think you know this but refuse to accept the truth.

Either way... whether you’re ignorant of the truth or know it and refuse to acknowledge it... either way I feel sorry for you.

[NomadPatriot]

The left is feeding their hatred.

I think you know this but refuse to accept the truth.

Either way... whether you’re ignorant of the truth or know it and refuse to acknowledge it... either way I feel sorry for you.

[NomadPatriot]

The left is feeding their hatred.

I think you know this but refuse to accept the truth.

Either way... whether you’re ignorant of the truth or know it and refuse to acknowledge it... either way I feel sorry for you.

[NomadPatriot]

[NomadPatriot]

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[riskllama]