Happy Orangeman's Day 2022 A.D.!!!

[ConfederateSS]

----------- Orange you glad today isn't about Donald Trump...Even though he was America's 1st Orangeinal Non politician to become President of The USA....

------------- Happy Orangeman's Day 2022 A.D.
-------------- You think the Hallmark channel would be celebrating St.Patrick's Day in July instead of Christmas...

-------------- Or maybe The Battle of the River Boyne in Ireland 1690 A.D. can make Jp4fun's greatest battles in History....Maybe?... .... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[bigtoughralf]

Happy 12th

[jimboston]

Thread reported for blatant “ism” against Irish Catholics.

[bigtoughralf]

Only if we can also report 4th July threads for being Islamophobic.

[jimboston]

Only if we can also report 4th July threads for being Islamophobic.

The USA wasn’t founded based on a united disdain for Islam.

The Orangemen were founded based on a disdain for Irish Catholics.

… but go ahead, I don’t really care.

[bigtoughralf]

Only if we can also report 4th July threads for being Islamophobic.

The USA wasn’t founded based on a united disdain for Islam.

The Orangemen were founded based on a disdain for Irish Catholics.

… but go ahead, I don’t really care.

The Orangemen were actually set up to protect Protestants, not to persecute Catholics.

In any case we're talking about the modern purpose of the USA, not its founding principles from hundreds of years ago. Its modern purpose is to directly undertake and/or provide military support for the slaughter of Yemeni, Palestinian, Iraqi, Syrian, Libyan, Afghan, Pakistani etc Muslims. The stars and stripes is basically up there with the Israeli, UK, Imperial Japanese and Nazi flags as a symbol of oppression.

[mookiemcgee]

Only if we can also report 4th July threads for being Islamophobic.

The USA wasn’t founded based on a united disdain for Islam.

The Orangemen were founded based on a disdain for Irish Catholics.

… but go ahead, I don’t really care.

The Orangemen were actually set up to protect Protestants, not to persecute Catholics.

I'm just gonna step back here and see which one of you car bombs the other one first.

Cheers lads, steady as she goes.

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[jimboston]

Only if we can also report 4th July threads for being Islamophobic.

The USA wasn’t founded based on a united disdain for Islam.

The Orangemen were founded based on a disdain for Irish Catholics.

… but go ahead, I don’t really care.

The Orangemen were actually set up to protect Protestants, not to persecute Catholics.

LIES

In any case we're talking about the modern purpose of the USA, not its founding principles from hundreds of years ago. Its modern purpose is to directly undertake and/or provide military support for the slaughter of Yemeni, Palestinian, Iraqi, Syrian, Libyan, Afghan, Pakistani etc Muslims. The stars and stripes is basically up there with the Israeli, UK, Imperial Japanese and Nazi flags as a symbol of oppression.

More lies… but yeah we do do all that.

[jusplay4fun]

Anglo-Norman invasion of Ireland

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Anglo-Norman invasion of Ireland took place during the late 12th century, when Anglo-Normans gradually conquered and acquired large swathes of land from the Irish, over which the kings of England then claimed sovereignty, all allegedly sanctioned by the purported Papal bull Laudabiliter.[1] At the time, Gaelic Ireland was made up of several kingdoms, with a High King claiming lordship over most of the other kings. The Norman invasion was a watershed in Ireland's history, marking the beginning of more than 800 years of direct English and, later, British, involvement in Ireland.

In May 1169, Anglo-Norman mercenaries landed in Ireland at the request of Diarmait mac Murchada (Dermot MacMurragh), the deposed King of Leinster, who sought their help in regaining his kingship. They achieved this within weeks and raided neighbouring kingdoms. This military intervention was sanctioned by King Henry II of England. In return, Diarmait had sworn loyalty to Henry and promised land to the Normans.

In 1170 there were further Norman landings, led by the Earl of Pembroke, Richard "Strongbow" de Clare. They seized the important Norse-Irish towns of Dublin and Waterford, and Strongbow married Diarmait's daughter Aífe. Diarmait died in May 1171 and Strongbow claimed Leinster, which Diarmait had promised him. Led by High King Ruaidrí Ua Conchobair (Rory O'Connor), a coalition of most of the Irish kingdoms besieged Dublin, while Norman-held Waterford and Wexford were also attacked. However, the Normans managed to hold most of their territory.

In October 1171, King Henry landed with a large army to assert control over both the Anglo-Normans and the Irish. This intervention was supported by the Roman Catholic Church, who saw it as a means of ensuring Irish religious reform, and a source of taxes. At the time, Irish marriage laws conflicted with those of the broader Church, and the Gregorian Reform had not been fully implemented. Henry granted Strongbow Leinster as a fiefdom, declared the Norse-Irish towns to be crown land, and arranged the synod of Cashel to reform the Irish church. Many Irish kings also submitted to him, likely in the hope that he would curb Norman expansion, but Henry granted the unconquered kingdom of Meath to Hugh de Lacy. After Henry's departure in 1172, fighting between the Normans and Irish continued.

The 1175 Treaty of Windsor acknowledged Henry as overlord of the conquered territory and Ruaidrí as overlord of the remainder of Ireland, with Ruaidrí also swearing fealty to Henry. The Treaty soon collapsed: Norman lords continued to invade Irish kingdoms and the Irish continued to attack the Normans. In 1177, Henry adopted a new policy. He declared his son John to be "Lord of Ireland" (i.e. claiming the whole island) and authorised the Norman lords to conquer more land. The territory they held became the Lordship of Ireland, part of the Angevin Empire. The Normans' success has been attributed to military superiority and castle-building, the lack of a unified opposition from the Irish and the support of the church for Henry's intervention.[2]

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Cultural and economic effects
The arrival of the Normans altered the agricultural landscape of Ireland. Elements that appear afterwards include: large-scale hay-making;[75] cultivated pears and cherries;[75] larger white-fleeced breeds of sheep;[75] and the introduction of various animals such as rabbits, perch, pike and carp.[75]

Another economic effect was the widespread usage of coinage, originally introduced by the Vikings. In the late 1180s during John's lordship the first Norman coins in Ireland were minted. Other mints operated in the major towns, with De Courcy in Ulster even minting coins in his own name.[76]

Whether as a direct consequence of the arrival of the Normans or not, the commoner's independence decreased in both Norman and Gaelic controlled areas. Where once they could serve more than one lord or even transfer from one lord to another, they were now unfree tenants bound to the land.[75]

The Normans also instigated the widespread building of castles by aristocrats, a key component of the feudal system they brought to Ireland, and round towers. From 1169 until the mid-fourteenth century castles were mostly associated with Norman lordships,[76] and formed the basis of new settlements.[76] Not until after 1205, during the reign of king John, was a royal castle built in Ireland.[76]

The Irish have not had many successes in the military, as a people; they were conquered often, including by Vikings, before the Anglo_Saxon (Norman) invasion, cited above. I think in their battle against invaders, there was only ONE significant Irish Catholic victory.

Battle of Clontarf
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Battle of Clontarf (Irish: Cath Chluain Tarbh) took place on 23 April 1014 at Clontarf, near Dublin, on the east coast of Ireland. It pitted an army led by Brian Boru, High King of Ireland, against a Norse-Irish alliance comprising the forces of Sigtrygg Silkbeard, King of Dublin; Máel Mórda mac Murchada, King of Leinster; and a Viking army from abroad led by Sigurd of Orkney and Brodir of Mann. It lasted from sunrise to sunset, and ended in a rout of the Viking and Leinster armies.

It is estimated that between 7,000 and 10,000 men were killed in the battle, including most of the leaders. Although Brian's forces were victorious, Brian himself was killed, as were his son Murchad and his grandson Toirdelbach. Leinster king Máel Mórda and Viking leaders Sigurd and Brodir were also slain. After the battle, the power of the Vikings and the Kingdom of Dublin was largely broken.

The battle was an important event in Irish history and is recorded in both Irish and Norse chronicles. In Ireland, the battle came to be seen as an event that freed the Irish from foreign domination, and Brian was hailed as a national hero. This view was especially popular during English rule in Ireland. Although the battle has come to be viewed in a more critical light, it still has a hold on the popular imagination.[2]

For now, the KEY Battle for a Free Ireland:
Irish War of Independence

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Irish War of Independence (Irish: Cogadh na Saoirse)[5] or Anglo-Irish War was a guerrilla war fought in Ireland from 1919 to 1921 between the Irish Republican Army (IRA, the army of the Irish Republic) and British forces: the British Army, along with the quasi-military Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) and its paramilitary forces the Auxiliaries and Ulster Special Constabulary (USC). It was part of the Irish revolutionary period.

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A ceasefire began on 11 July 1921. The post-ceasefire talks led to the signing of the Anglo-Irish Treaty on 6 December 1921. This ended British rule in most of Ireland and, after a ten-month transitional period overseen by a provisional government, the Irish Free State was created as a self-governing Dominion on 6 December 1922. Northern Ireland remained within the United Kingdom.

[bigtoughralf]

Only if we can also report 4th July threads for being Islamophobic.

The USA wasn’t founded based on a united disdain for Islam.

The Orangemen were founded based on a disdain for Irish Catholics.

… but go ahead, I don’t really care.

The Orangemen were actually set up to protect Protestants, not to persecute Catholics.

LIES

The Order itself was founded after the so-called Battle of the Diamond, a skirmish that took place in County Armagh in 1795.

"The message went out about this organisation they would set up to defend Protestants," says Clifford Smyth, a historian of the Orange Order

.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18769781

]In any case we're talking about the modern purpose of the USA, not its founding principles from hundreds of years ago. Its modern purpose is to directly undertake and/or provide military support for the slaughter of Yemeni, Palestinian, Iraqi, Syrian, Libyan, Afghan, Pakistani etc Muslims. The stars and stripes is basically up there with the Israeli, UK, Imperial Japanese and Nazi flags as a symbol of oppression.

yeah we do do all that.

Glad we are agreed.

[bigtoughralf]

I think in their battle against invaders, there was only ONE significant Irish Catholic victory.

Never heard of Brian Boru? Guess you didn't include him because in your mind only Catholics can be Irish.

Since Ireland's Anglicisation and union with Britain there were also been plenty of Irish people in the British military (e.g. the Duke of Wellington) but again you don't seem to think they count because they weren't running around Kilkenny with a fiddle.

[jusplay4fun]

I think in their battle against invaders, there was only ONE significant Irish Catholic victory.

Never heard of Brian Boru? Guess you didn't include him because in your mind only Catholics can be Irish.

Since Ireland's Anglicisation and union with Britain there were also been plenty of Irish people in the British military (e.g. the Duke of Wellington) but again you don't seem to think they count because they weren't running around Kilkenny with a fiddle.

You totally missed my point: I know there have been very successful Irish people in the Military, for UK and USA, and other nations. My point is that a force composed of Irish Catholics won very few battles fighting for their nation and/or people. And of course, you have to throw in a few insults, because you, poorRalph, are like jimmie-boi, in that you do not know how to post without them.

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[bigtoughralf]

The Duke of Wellington was a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. By fighting in the UK army he was representing his own country on the battlefield. The 'nation of Ireland' that you keep harping on about didn't exist before 1922, nation states in general weren't a thing until the 1700s. Darius was a great Persian emperor but he never respresented any Persian nation state.

And why are you so obsessed with 'Irish Catholics'? There are and always have been plenty of Irish people who aren't Catholic. The Irish tricolour includes an orange stripe to represent Protestantism.

In your defense you do come from a country where 1800 is ancient history and your supreme leader cosplays as an Irish republican while simultaneously supplying weapons to Israel without any sense or irony, so you can't be expected to understand the ways of the civilised world.

[jusplay4fun]

The Duke of Wellington was a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. By fighting in the UK army he was representing his own country on the battlefield. The 'nation of Ireland' that you keep harping on about didn't exist before 1922, nation states in general weren't a thing until the 1700s. Darius was a great Persian emperor but he never respresented any Persian nation state.

And why are you so obsessed with 'Irish Catholics'? There are and always have been plenty of Irish people who aren't Catholic. The Irish tricolour includes an orange stripe to represent Protestantism.

In your defense you do come from a country where 1800 is ancient history and your supreme leader cosplays as an Irish republican while simultaneously supplying weapons to Israel without any sense or irony, so you can't be expected to understand the ways of the civilised world.

ralf, you apparently do not know the History of Northern Ireland. I know most of the facts that follow, but I will support my knowledge with cited sources. The "civilised" Ralph rarely does; you are still full of vile ideas, hate, and insults and spouts them often.

WHAT IS AN ULSTER-SCOT?

Ulster Scots is a term used primarily in the United Kingdom and Ireland. It refers to the Scots who migrated to the northern province of Ireland (Ulster) beginning about 1605. Although sometimes in North America they are referred to as ‘Scotch-Irish’ or ‘Ulster-Irish‘. All these terms most commonly refer to those Lowland and Border Scots who settled in the northern counties of Ireland during the Plantation scheme. However, there were Scots in Ireland as early as the l400s, such as the McDonalds of County Antrim. There was also a steady stream of Highland Scots migrating to the north of Ireland in the early 1800s as a result of the highland clearances in Scotland. It can therefore be considered that anyone whose ancestors migrated from Scotland to Ulster from 1400 onward is of Ulster-Scot descent.

THE ULSTER PLANTATION

The majority of Scots who migrated to the north of Ireland came as part of this organized settlement scheme of 1605-1697. Plantation settlements were confined to the Province of Ulster, in the counties of Antrim, Down, Armagh, Tyrone, Donegal, Cavan, Fermanagh and Derry. As many as 200,000 Lowland Scots crossed the North Channel to settle in Ulster in this approximately 90 year period. The Plantation of Ulster took place in two stages. The first stage was confined to the eastern counties of Antrim and Down. The initiative was taken by Scottish fortune seekers. Although the British Crown encouraged and co-operated with those responsible, it was fully a private venture. The second stage of settlement was far broader in scope. It was a project of state, conceived, planned, and closely supervised by the British governments of England and Ireland. The plantations included settlers from England and Scotland, although Scots outnumbered those from England by a ratio of 20 to 1. The primary purpose of the plantation scheme was to populate the northern counties of Ireland with loyal British subjects, to counterbalance the native Irish. Scotland was only too willing to participate. It was seen as a way to eradicate Scotland of the hordes of Lowland and Border Scots, many of whom in their desperate poverty felt compelled to turn to a life of marauding and horse thievery, which had become an occupation in itself in the Scottish countryside. Many were hardscrabble, subsistence farmers barely able to support their families. Hence in the early years of the Plantation, the majority of the settlers were Lowland and Border Scots seeking a better life.

DENIZATION

Prior to l707, Scotland was a distinct Kingdom from England, governed by its own laws, with its own manners and customs. To ensure that the arriving Scots could be kept under control from rising up in Ireland in support of their brothers in Scotland, they were required to take an oath of loyalty to the British Crown, as ’denizens’ in Ireland. For Scots to become English subjects in Ireland, it was necessary to obtain letters patent of Denization, pay a fine and take the Oath of allegiance.

https://www.ulsterscotssociety.com/about.html#:~:text=The%20majority%20of%20Scots%20who,%2C%20Cavan%2C%20Fermanagh%20and%20Derry.

The Scots-Irish were Presbyterians by Covenant and by Law
Posted on March 4, 2008 by arlene
As savvy researchers, you already know that the term Scots-Irish (Scotch-Irish used by many people) is an American designation. Before they arrived here, they were called Ulster Irish and before that Ulster-Scots. And indeed, many of the more than 250,000 who emigrated to America between 1717 and 1790, considered themselves to be Irish. And called themselves Irish in their first records in America.

http://www.arleneeakle.com/wordpress/2008/03/04/the-scots-irish-were-presbyterians-by-covenant-and-by-law/#:~:text=Ulster%20Irish%20were%20predominantly%20Catholic,of%20the%20Church%20of%20England.

The Troubles (Irish: Na Trioblóidí) were an ethno-nationalist[15][16][17][18] conflict in Northern Ireland that lasted about 30 years from the late 1960s to 1998.[19] Also known internationally as the Northern Ireland conflict,[20][21][22][23] it is sometimes described as an "irregular war"[24][25][26] or "low-level war".[27][28][29] The conflict began in the late 1960s and is usually deemed to have ended with the Good Friday Agreement of 1998.[4][5][30][31][32] Although the Troubles mostly took place in Northern Ireland, at times violence spilled over into parts of the Republic of Ireland, England and mainland Europe.

The conflict was primarily political and nationalistic, fuelled by historical events.[33] It also had an ethnic or sectarian dimension[34] but despite use of the terms 'Protestant' and 'Catholic' to refer to the two sides, it was not a religious conflict.[15][35] A key issue was the status of Northern Ireland. Unionists and loyalists, who for historical reasons were mostly Ulster Protestants, wanted Northern Ireland to remain within the United Kingdom. Irish nationalists and republicans, who were mostly Irish Catholics, wanted Northern Ireland to leave the United Kingdom and join a united Ireland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles#:~:text=The%20Troubles%20(Irish%3A%20Na%20Triobl%C3%B3id%C3%AD,%22low%2Dlevel%20war%22.

I would argue that the oppression of Irish Catholics in their native Ireland for about 800 years is WORSE than that faced by Palestinians since 1948. Palestinians do not have a monopoly on being treated badly and/or oppressed.

British rule in Ireland was the control of territories, parts of, or the whole island of Ireland by an English or British monarch and/or government. British involvement in Ireland began with the Anglo-Norman invasion of Ireland in 1169. Most of Ireland gained independence from Great Britain following the Anglo-Irish War. Initially formed as a Dominion called the Irish Free State in 1922, the Republic of Ireland became a fully independent republic following the passage of the Republic of Ireland Act in 1949. Northern Ireland remains part of the United Kingdom as a constituent country.[1][2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_rule_in_Ireland#:~:text=British%20rule%20in%20Ireland%20was,invasion%20of%20Ireland%20in%201169.

[mookiemcgee]

[bigtoughralf]

I would argue that the oppression of Irish Catholics in their native Ireland for about 800 years is WORSE than that faced by Palestinians since 1948.Palestinians do not have a monopoly on being treated badly and/or oppressed.

That's nice, but completely irrelevant to anything I said.

[jusplay4fun]

I would argue that the oppression of Irish Catholics in their native Ireland for about 800 years is WORSE than that faced by Palestinians since 1948.Palestinians do not have a monopoly on being treated badly and/or oppressed.

That's nice, but completely irrelevant to anything I said.

THAT shows the extent of the ignorance of poorRalf, who still thinks that only Muslims and Palestinians are treated badly.

Read and learn History, ralph. Learn about the nation you fled to in order to escape the bad life in Palestine.

[riskllama]

china?

[bigtoughralf]

Read and learn History, ralph. Learn about [Ireland]

I'll pass on taking Irish history lessons from a guy who thinks that Brian Boru was head of a Catholic nation state.

That's like saying that Sitting Bull was king of the USA.

[jusplay4fun]

Read and learn History, ralph. Learn about [Ireland]

I'll pass on taking Irish history lessons from a guy who thinks that Brian Boru was head of a Catholic nation state.

That's like saying that Sitting Bull was king of the USA.

I never said that, SmallSoftralph. NOW you are making up BULLSHIT. Or was that MEANT to be another weak and pathetic insult?

History Lessons from ME? Read the sources, O Ignorant ralph. Ye who KNOW NO History, except that he was sent to Gaza as a young child, then FLED to the UK.

Let me Learn for myself what Brian Boru did. This is called Learning History, ralph, something you refuse to do, unless it is about how the Muslims or Palestinians were mistreated.

Brian Boru
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Brian Boru (Middle Irish: Brian Bóruma mac Cennétig; modern Irish: Brian Bóramha; c. 941 – 23 April 1014) was an Irish king who ended the domination of the High Kingship of Ireland by the Uí Néill and probably ended Viking invasion/domination of Ireland.[2] Brian built on the achievements of his father, Cennétig mac Lorcain, and especially his elder brother, Mathgamain. Brian first made himself king of Munster, then subjugated Leinster, eventually becoming High King of Ireland. He was the founder of the O'Brien dynasty, and is widely regarded as one of the most successful and unifying monarchs in medieval Ireland.

And, due the the work of the Missionary, St. Patrick, Ireland was CATHOLIC by this time. Most of the following I already KNOW, but I will cite my source, in case IGNORANT smallSoftRalph wants to actually LEARN.....doubtful. ralph is a sad, small, and myopic man wallowing in his superstitions, self-made myths, and his misery.

St. Patrick’s Visions and Miracles
After more than six years as a prisoner, Patrick escaped. According to his writing, a voice—which he believed to be God’s—spoke to him in a dream, telling him it was time to leave Ireland.

To do so, Patrick walked nearly 200 miles from County Mayo, where it is believed he was held, to the Irish coast. After escaping to Britain, Patrick reported that he experienced a second revelation—an angel in a dream tells him to return to Ireland as a missionary. Soon after, Patrick began religious training, a course of study that lasted more than 15 years.

After his ordination as a priest, he was sent to Ireland with a dual mission: to minister to Christians already living in Ireland and to begin to convert the Irish. (Interestingly, this mission contradicts the widely held notion that Patrick introduced Christianity to Ireland.)

Although there were a small number of Christians on the island when Patrick arrived, most Irish practiced a nature-based pagan religion. The Irish culture centered around a rich tradition of oral legend and myth. When this is considered, it is no surprise that the story of Patrick’s life became exaggerated over the centuries—spinning exciting tales to remember history has always been a part of the Irish way of life.

St. Patrick Incorporated Irish Culture Into Christian Lessons
Familiar with the Irish language and culture, Patrick chose to incorporate traditional ritual into his lessons of Christianity instead of attempting to eradicate native Irish beliefs. For instance, he used bonfires to celebrate Easter since the Irish were used to honoring their gods with fire. He also superimposed a sun, a powerful Irish symbol, onto the Christian cross to create what is now called a Celtic cross, so that veneration of the symbol would seem more natural to the Irish.

https://www.history.com/topics/st-patricks-day/who-was-saint-patrick

[bigtoughralf]

What is it with you and supporting your claims with completely irrelevant Wikipedia articles?

[jusplay4fun]

If you fail to see the relevance, then that merely proves again of your ignorance, smallStupidRalph.

you said:
by bigtoughralf on Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:37 am

Never heard of Brian Boru? Guess you didn't include him because in your mind only Catholics can be Irish.

Since Ireland's Anglicisation and union with Britain there were also been plenty of Irish people in the British military (e.g. the Duke of Wellington) but again you don't seem to think they count because they weren't running around Kilkenny with a fiddle.

You are so infected with hatred of anything I say or post that you can see no oppression of any people, other than Muslims or Palestinians, especially of Muslims in Palestine. I answered your silly, weak, and inaccurate comment and you TRY to ignore that I show how ignorant, foolish, and vile you are. You FAIL, AGAIN, poor-Ignorant-weak-Ralph.

I need to ignore your posts, as they are barely worth my TIME to refute your LIES. You're PATHETIC and a sad little man.

[bigtoughralf]

ad hominem

Nonsensical Wikipedia spam followed by nonsensical insults. The classic jp shuffle.

[jusplay4fun]

Even jimmie-boi-Boston agrees with me:

by jimboston on Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:21 pm

As previously stated though… your initial characterization of the situation in India was short-sighted and had no depth nor nuance.

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=236280&start=75

I am sure ralph will try to say the above quote is also irrelevant, further proving my point.

small-soft-Ralph is indeed myopic and shows cursory thinking about India and many other things. Ralph fails to see the relevance of my post of Brian Boru when he is the first to mention this king of Catholic Ireland.

AND you're a hypocrite, saying "Get England out of Ireland" when you, Ralph, have no real clue about Irish History. You fail to see the oppression of Catholics by non-Catholic (i.e., Protestant, Anglican) England. In your small mind, you equate Catholic as anti-Muslim. Ralph is wrong again.

[bigtoughralf]

Lecturing me on Irish politics and history when I bet you can't even tell me who Bobby Sands was without Googling