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Is the City of SFO's reparations structure adequate?

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San Francisco

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:24 pm

The City of San Francisco's Reparations Commission, established by Democratic Party Mayor London Breed, finished its work last week and has determined the city must pay each Black resident $29 million, in the form of a $5,000,000 lump sum payment plus $97,000 per year for the next 250 years, annually adjusted for inflation. All Black residents must also have their credit card debt, mortgages, and student loans paid-off by the city. The total cost - excluding the debt forgiveness - will be $1.3 trillion (the city's annual budget is $13.5 billion).

Does this plan not go far enough or is it a good start based in sound, rational policy design by the mature, moderate governance professionals of the Democratic Party?

https://sf.gov/sites/default/files/2023 ... inal_0.pdf

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Re: San Francisco

Postby mookiemcgee on Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:21 pm

Fortunately for San Francisco taxpayers this is just a commission report and has no teeth at all and is simply aspirational.

Unfortunately for San Francisco taxpayers the city council is notorious for approving aspirational plans, though I'd fully expect more wording changes to allow people of Asian descent to be included before anything passes.
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Re: San Francisco

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:29 pm

mookiemcgee wrote:Fortunately


Foed for white supremacism,

mookiemcgee wrote:for San Francisco taxpayers


capitalist extremism,

mookiemcgee wrote:this is just a commission report and


anti-governmental conspiracy theorizing,

mookiemcgee wrote:has no teeth at all


abelism

mookiemcgee wrote:and is simply aspirational.


and anti-visionary thought.
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Re: San Francisco

Postby jimboston on Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:30 pm

Your math isn’t quite correct… the documents states “raise income to” $97K/year… it’s presuming they have SOME income, so you wouldn’t pay $97K per your… you’d pay X… and X = $97K-what the “eligible person” earns.

Of course if you know that the State is going to make up the difference, and you only earn $40K working hard at McDonalds with overtime etc… then most rational people wouldn’t keep working for $40k then get $57k from the state. They are more likely to stop working and just get $97K.

The people who wrote this have no understanding of Economics and Economic incentives.

In addition to bankrupting the city of San Francisco this would create an immediate shortage of unskilled/low-skilled labor… and those people who wouldn;t be working would be bored and likely create other public health issues.

Probably causing a need for further reparations due to this bad policy.

Thank God it is a dumb draft and will never happen.

I’m hoping tax dollars weren’t used to write this.
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Re: San Francisco

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:41 pm

Thank God it is a dumb draft and will never happen.


    How it starts:
    "Don't worry! As a Democratic voter I promise you that, once Democrats are in control, they won't really do any of the crazy stuff they promised to do. You're overreacting."

    How it ends:
    "The man on the left thinks he wished hard enough that his wishes transformed him into a woman. So we put him in control of regulating the country's healthcare system. We also made him a Rear Admiral just, cause, why not?

    The man on the right is a dominatrix with a BA degree in Choir from Kansas State, thinks he's half man/half woman, and has a habit of stealing luggage from airports. So we put him in charge of preventing nuclear terrorism."
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I’m hoping tax dollars weren’t used to write this.


According to the budget it was $2.4 million.

https://sf.gov/resource/2021/prior-year ... -2022-2023
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Re: San Francisco

Postby riskllama on Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:12 pm

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Re: San Francisco

Postby ConfederateSS on Wed Jan 18, 2023 12:13 am

--------------- 2 of the qualifications,there are 8, only need 2 of 8 to qualify....For the M.O.N.E.Y....You just have had to identified as an African American on city/government documents in the past 10 years....You or a relative have had to have been jailed , on a drug charge...During the failed Drug War, Or Kamala D.A. Harris sending everyone with a joint to prison...
--------------- San Francisco is used to throwing money down the toilet.... Literally....The City of San Francisco builds million dollar city toilets...for the public to use...The million dollar toilets are on hold thanks to backlash, when news got out on the cost...But San Francisco has built Space Age Public Bathrooms...Had problems on it's 1st day... That's what happens when you throw money down a toilets... :D ....The Homeless still pee and poop on the street , the million dollar or Space Age public bathrooms have not had an impact on their lives... Lucky nothing has changed in San Francisco,you won't be walking in Sunshine, just another pill of crap... :D ...
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Re: San Francisco

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Jan 18, 2023 12:47 am

I actually support reparations for slavery to the extent that I support the ADOS movement in which reparations are given only to proved descendants of slaves, and not all Black Americans, and based on an actual calculation of labor costs with amortized interest. Labor is property and can't be taken without compensation and, when it is, compensation must be rendered with penalty. (Democrats, however, aren't interested in compensating the injured for loss of labor, but in creating an excuse for a new social welfare program to create vote dependency, which is why they reject the ADOS premise.)

My understanding is that this would qualify about 50-percent of the U.S. Black population (the remaining 50-percent either consisting of descendants of Free Blacks or those who arrived after 1865). Payments would probably have to take the form of government-backed long-term annuities to avoid bankrupting the country and rendering the payments worthless after the dollar collapsed.
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Re: San Francisco

Postby mookiemcgee on Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:55 am

jimboston wrote:
In addition to bankrupting the city of San Francisco this would create an immediate shortage of unskilled/low-skilled labor… and those people who wouldn't be working would be bored and likely create other public health issues.


Virtually no unskilled/low-skilled labor has been able to afford to live in the city limits for 20+ years, so this isn't a problem.

SF also has no shortage of err 'people who aren't working and are bored and do create other public health issues.'
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Re: San Francisco

Postby bigtoughralf on Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:41 pm

mookiemcgee wrote:I'd fully expect more wording changes to allow people of Asian descent to be included before anything passes.


lol dream on. Every American knows racism is something white people do to black people.
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Re: San Francisco

Postby mookiemcgee on Wed Jan 18, 2023 6:36 pm

bigtoughralf wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:I'd fully expect more wording changes to allow people of Asian descent to be included before anything passes.


lol dream on. Every American knows racism is something white people do to black people.


Maybe in Alabama, but we are progressive around these parts. Asians are practically the majority and are fully prepared to tank any pro-reparation measures if they aren't included.
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Re: San Francisco

Postby karel on Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:05 am

glad cali taxpayers paying for this lame shit,fck cali and all they knell for
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Re: San Francisco

Postby ConfederateSS on Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:10 am

mookiemcgee wrote:
bigtoughralf wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:I'd fully expect more wording changes to allow people of Asian descent to be included before anything passes.


lol dream on. Every American knows racism is something white people do to black people.


Maybe in Alabama, but we are progressive around these parts. Asians are practically the majority and are fully prepared to tank any pro-reparation measures if they aren't included.


------------ Or , not because of China, COVID....Blacks across the country have been attacking Asians... Because, the last 30 to 40 years , the likes of Louis Farrakhan and Al Sharpton have got that all fired up...WHY???...The LEFT LEAD MEDIA will not cover this....But make believe stories like Bubba Wallace and Jussie Smollett they will....While, even Mookie knows, Asians are beaten by Blacks in FRISCO...Pushed in front of trains, beaten in NYC...It goes on across the country, unreported,by LEFT MEDIA....WHY???.... Interesting....... O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:) ...
-----------China has been around for 5,000 years...The Chinese are the smartest people in the world...China is America's biggest threat...I do not think that is why...
------------ Asians,Asian Americans are hard working, they study work hard in school....All that gets them here in America is a target on their back....WHY???... interesting... Because, as The Democratic Party keeps given free stuff, telling America you need it...The Asian Americans in education, the Hispanic Americans through the trade fields... Proving, all you need to make it in America, not cry, not free stuff...But to succeed in America, all you have to do is work hard... Another threat to The Democratic Party holding on to votes and power...BINGO,BANGO, BINGO :!: :!: :!:
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Re: San Francisco

Postby ConfederateSS on Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:58 am

---------A more of a question would be, "Who is responsible for the greatest proportion of violent crimes against Asians?" The Criminal Victimization Report of The Bureau of Justice Statistics provides a robust dataset, with over 180,000 violent attacks on Asians in 2018 A.D..
------------- The data indicate just how misleading the narrative of White on Asian Violence really is. While Black perpetrators account for 27.5% of violent attacks against Asians, Asians commit less than 0.1% of violent attacks against Blacks, indicating little role for proximity. Most violent attacks against individuals of a particular racial group are committed by other members of that group. Except for Asians, where a plurality is committed by Blacks.
-------------- In fact Blacks are responsible for 305% more violent crime against Asians, than neighborhood demographics would predict, while Whites and Hispanics commit significantly fewer attacks against Asians than would be expected.
-------------- The foregoing analysis shows that the frequent news stories covering Black on Asian Violence should not be attributed to disinformation or media bias. Indeed, repeating misleading statistics on hate crimes , incidents to blame Whites and Hispanics is an attempt to redirect outrage. Examining the source studies suggests that proponents of this narrative seek to mislead, and they rely on incomplete or irrelevant data, to do so. The problem is that the media too often respond to viral videos of violent crime with uncritical repetition of statistics gleaned from studies that are not even about violent crime.
-------------- These recorded attacks against Asians are not manufactured to stoke racial discord, as some imply. Curtailing the violence is an urgent matter. To do so, we must stop pretending not to see who is committing these crimes.
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Postby 2dimes on Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:29 am

So basically, the "Asians" were violently attacked 180,000 times.

The Bureau of Justice suggested a black perpetrator participated in 49,500 of those attacks.

You are suggesting you believe the "blacks" actually attacked "Asians" 549,000 of the 180,000 times...

Let's try an analogy.. There are 100 dumplings missing, the Bureau of Justice said 27 and a half of the dumplings were eaten by Conquer Club moderators, but you want everyone to know Mad777, Wicked and Razorvich actually ate 305 dumplings.
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Re: San Francisco

Postby Serbia on Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:37 am

Hey Wicked had her issues but you can’t blame her for racial inequality in California.
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Postby ConfederateSS on Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:46 am

2dimes wrote:So basically, the "Asians" were violently attacked 180,000 times.

The Bureau of Justice suggested a black perpetrator participated in 49,500 of those attacks.

You are suggesting you believe the "blacks" actually attacked "Asians" 549,000 of the 180,000 times...

Let's try an analogy.. There are 100 dumplings missing, the Bureau of Justice said 27 and a half of the dumplings were eaten by Conquer Club moderators, but you want everyone to know Mad777, Wicked and Razorvich actually ate 305 dumplings.


----------- I am not suggesting it...The Government/F.B.I. is, not all is reported to the F.B.I,by police... Department of Justice estimates over 180,000 violent attacks on Asians every year...Not all attacks are reported from the police, to the F.B.I.....Some are not reported to police, because Asians don't want to talk to police, in fear.....Not all violent attacks are hate crimes,only a small number get that designation....
----------- The 180,000 was separate...I think...When violent crimes are , become hate crimes... reported as such...
------------ A new hate crime data....About violent crimes comparing perpetrators and likely neighbors of Asians.....In which...Whites were about 28% more likely, and Blacks about 255% more likely to commit violent attacks against Asians, than the neighborhood demographics would predict...
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Re: San Francisco

Postby ConfederateSS on Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:18 pm

------------- This is separate from Asian Americans being , attacked , in education...Being held out, for being smart, because they work hard....Being admitted into College, or College programs.....There is a whole thing going on n Virginia schools, about kids not getting their Academic/ Merit Awards...Until after they filled out their college applications....Most are Asians..It is happening in other schools around the country.... Because, rather than have everyone work hard...To get awards....The American public schools, rather want to bring everyone down to the ones who don't put time in school.... Don't want their feelings hurt, when others are getting Awards.....So , they would rather , no one get awards, Excel in education...... O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)
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Re: San Francisco

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:24 pm

Serbia wrote:Hey Wicked had her issues but you can’t blame her for racial inequality in California.

Or a dumpling shortage
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Re: San Francisco

Postby mookiemcgee on Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:54 pm

The black population in SF is under 5%, the asian population is 35%. NOTHING in SF city council passes without the asian vote, and it doesn't come for free. If blacks were pushing asian in front of trains every day they would all be rounded up by the asian sheriff and put in interment camps.

I know confed lives in a black and white world, but that just aint how it is around these parts son.

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Re: San Francisco

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:12 pm

mookiemcgee wrote:The black population in SF is under 5%, the asian population is 35%. NOTHING in SF city council passes without the asian vote, and it doesn't come for free.


And yet only one of the 11 supervisors is Asian ... 35% Asian population and 9% representation on the Board of Supervisors

There are 82 million sparrows in the United States and yet sparrows have no influence on public policy. There are 535 members of Congress and not even one is a sparrow or, in fact, a bird of any kind. Power is not held by those who merely exist.
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Re: San Francisco

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:18 pm

Further south, in moderate and mature Biden's America, Democrats are getting what they voted for ...

A teenage girl became emotional last week after recalling seeing a naked biological man, who identifies as a transgender woman, while she was showering in her local YMCA's women's locker room.

Rebecca Phillips, who is 17 years old, explained to the Santee City Council in California, "As I was showering after my workout, I saw a naked male in the women’s locker room." She claimed she was "terrified" and retreated to hide behind the shower curtain.

Phillips further held back tears describing her younger sister, who is 5 years old, that she brings to the location during the summer.

"The locker room was supposed to be her safe haven to gossip with her friends and shower and change," she explained.

“As long as you are not a red flag on Megan’s Law — California sex offender registry — a grown male can shower alongside a teenage girl at your YMCA location here in Santee,” she said. “I was made to feel as though I had done something wrong when I talked to people at the YMCA.”

According to Section 51 of the California Civil Code, naked men have a right to the women’s locker room, if they claim womanhood.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... ocker-room


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Postby 2dimes on Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:26 pm

DirtyDishSoap wrote:
Serbia wrote:Hey Wicked had her issues but you can’t blame her for racial inequality in California.

Or a dumpling shortage


Why not?
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Re: San Francisco

Postby ConfederateSS on Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:39 am

-------------- Asians work , study hard...their culture....
--------------- My Father knew we would have to work hard to compete in America....That, and He was military...I still hate America/Hippies for what they did when He came home from Vietnam...Even how He made us successful in school...
---------------- For every grade under an A...We would get a 100 lashes... Between 4th and 8th grade...Ist report card in 4th grade...Grade School/Junior High had 1,2,3,4, instead of A,B,C,D(Not until High School)....I had 4...1s,1...2,and 1...3....4,As,1,B,1,C... Received 100 lashes for the 2/B and 200 lashes for the 3/C...300 lashes...Hands tied to a pipe in the basement over my head...Toes just touching the floor...I could feel the blood down my back.... Motivation.....YES!!!... Straight 1/As the rest of they way through grade school, Junior High...We were on our own in High School, 3.9 GPA... :D ...Did I like getting beat, NO...But I see how He ment by, you have to work hard to compete in America...So I could not LOVE or RESPECT Him ,anymore than I do...
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Re: San Francisco

Postby jimboston on Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:13 am

ConfederateSS wrote:For every grade under an A...We would get a 100 lashes... Between 4th and 8th grade...Ist report card in 4th grade...Grade School/Junior High had 1,2,3,4, instead of A,B,C,D(Not until High School)....I had 4...1s,1...2,and 1...3....4,As,1,B,1,C... Received 100 lashes for the 2/B and 200 lashes for the 3/C...300 lashes...Hands tied to a pipe in the basement over my head...Toes just touching the floor...I could feel the blood down my back....


This explains a LOT.

Funny… my daughters get all A’s and I never had to beat them.

Perhaps there are other ways to motivate without violence?

I hope you Thank God every day you that you were not dyslexic or had some other true learning disability.
You might not have survived childhood.

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