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Re: UFOs

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:34 pm

Here's a list of some of the more significant UFO incidents --- I edited it down to only include those with a government connection!

    1942: Battle of Los Angeles
    A large number of unexplained lights in the sky are spotted over Los Angeles, resulting in five civilian deaths from panic. The 37th Coast Artillery Brigade fires 1400 rounds over the course of 90 minutes into the sky over Los Angeles. The Army later attributes the lights to reflections from a lost weather balloon.

    1947: Maury Island Incident
    Three fishermen report seeing unusual aircraft hovering over Puget Sound, Washington they can't identify, one of which ejects a slag-like debris that lands on - and kills - their dog. They report some pieces of debris also landed on a nearby beach. Police recover several fragments and contact the Fourth Air Force which sends a B-25 from California with a crew to take possession of the debris. The B-25 crashes deep in the forest en route back to California, killing all aboard. The FBI investigates the matter and says the purported siting was a hoax concocted by the fishermen. One of the fishermen later claims he was contacted by men dressed all in black and driving a black car who asked him not to talk about his experiences.

    1947: Roswell Incident
    The Roswell Army Air Base public information office issues a press release stating they've captured a "flying disc" that had crashed near Roswell Army Air Field, at the time the only location of nuclear weapons in the world. The following day, Lt. Col. Jesse Marcel holds a press conference saying they were mistaken and it was actually just a weather balloon. Thirty years later, after he retired, Marcel retracts his statement, saying he had been ordered by the base commander to claim it was a weather balloon but he actually believes the debris was extraterrestrial.

    1968: Wright Patterson rumors
    In a 1988 statement, Senator Barry Goldwater says that, in the 1960s, he asked SAC commander Gen. Curtis LeMay if the rumors of recovered ET bodies from the Roswell crash are true, if they were being held in a morgue at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, and if so if he could visit the morgue. He claims LeMay said “Not only can’t you get into it, but don’t you ever fucking mention it to me again.”

    1960s-1980s: ICBM Stalking
    In 2010, Robert Hastings, a former USAF missileman, claims that once, while he was stationed at a Minuteman Missile Silo in the 1980s, several unusual aircraft appeared and hovered near it coinciding with a power outage at the silo. He says a security team arrived and opened fire at the aircraft which withdrew. He provides an affidavit from Larry Manross, the retired missile launch commander at Minot AFB, who substantiates the claim. Robert Salas, another former missileman, says he experienced a similar occurrence in 1967 at an ICBM field outside Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana.

    1980s
    Paul Bennewitz, an electrical engineer and Coast Guard veteran, runs a business selling specialized sensors to Sandia National Laboratory. He becomes convinced he has seen UFOs near Kirtland Air Force Base from his home near the base and begins talking about it. In the 2000s, Richard Doty - a retired U.S. Air Force OSI special agent who had been posted to KAFB at the time - says that OSI believed Bennewitz had witnessed tests of a classified and experimental system. To keep it covered up, they contacted Bennewitz and helped him believe he was seeing UFOs controlled by ETs by feeding him false documents. Doty's claims are later reinforced with declassified FOIA documents. Bennewitz, being fed with increasingly crazy claims by the Air Force, becomes obsessed with the idea of an imminent alien invasion, has a mental breakdown, and is sent to a mental institution. The government later settles with the family out of court.

    Doty subsequently claims that, while Bennewitz never saw a UFO, he (Doty) had received a 45-minute briefing that claimed the USG actually did recover alien technology at Roswell and that, on one occasion in the 1990s, he had been tasked with contacting a rancher in New Mexico dying of cancer who claimed to have come into possession of a piece of alien technology that had been given to him as a "gift." He retrieved this item and was ordered to surrender it to civilians who weren't known to him but were dressed all in black and drove a black car.

    1984: MJ-12
    Documents are released purportedly originated from the U.S. Government that assert the existence of a body called the Majestic 12. The Majestic 12 was a self-perpetuating group of 12 senior military officers, scientists, and bureaucrats who controlled all known information relating to a series of visitations that have been occurring of a non-human intelligence, and was originally created by Harry Truman but stopped reporting to presidents after Dwight Eisenhower, thereafter operating independently and outside government control. The original Majestic 12 included former physicist Donald Howard Menzel, Gen. Hoyt Vandenberg, Admiral Sidney Souers, CIA director Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, National Security Advisor Gordon Gray, and others. The FBI investigates the documents and declares them to be a hoax.

    2004: Tic Tac UFOs
    Four U.S. Navy pilots encounter unusual, "Tic Tac shaped" aircraft operating off the West Coast. They claim they exhibit flight characteristics that defy known aircraft capabilities, including making right-angle turns at the speed of sound.
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Re: UFOs

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:14 pm

2018 -- the FAA tracks an aircraft moving at "very high speed" along the U.S. West Coast that is nonresponsive.

The "intruder" quickly dropped off radar and that's when the visual sightings made by airline crews began. They continued for roughly half an hour and over hundreds of miles. The exchanges between nearby pilots and air traffic control regarding the unidentified aircraft were constant in the audio, with the same description coming back time and again—that of a white aircraft cruising at around 37,000 feet that is too far away to tell the type or if it has markings of any kind on it.


At some point, the Western Air Defense Sector scrambles F-15s from the 142nd Fighter Wing who alert the FAA they are moving against the unidentified aircraft and to clear civil air traffic. The Drive FOIA'ed the FAA's audio files in which they ask who requested military assistance as they had not. There are blank spots in the audio file in which the response, presumably identifying the requestor, has been edited out.

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Re: UFOs

Postby GaryDenton on Fri Jun 09, 2023 11:50 am

The no evidence of black holes is way out of date.
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Re: UFOs

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Fri Jun 09, 2023 11:55 am

The chances of it being a UFO in extraterrestrial origin is so close to zero that it may as well be.

Think about it. If alien life existed, even at, I believe a 0.01% in the universe, we would have seen some type of concrete evidence. (Fermi Paradox and the Great Filter). Even if alien life existed, and they found us, well, they'll be thousands if not millions of years more advance than us, and will likely just ignore us to begin with. For the same reason none of us (except maybe J4) goes out to the woods and tries to hold a conversation with a raccoon or a possum.

Or they could just say "Nice planet", yoink it (terraform) and just wipe us out without much thought.
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Re: UFOs

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:07 pm

I've now listened to the Grush interview. His speech and mannerisms strike me as very unbelievable. Combined with the fact he doesn't purport to have seen anything himself, I'm disinclined to put much stock in him.
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Re: UFOs

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:12 pm

That said, if I were trying to hide a highly classified program that people were getting close to I might want to see a seemingly credible witness come forward and public interest be whipped into a fury.

And then, after a few weeks, we find the witness has a rap sheet for child porn or was once involuntarily hospitalized in an insane asylum, etc. It would totally deflate, demoralize and disinterest all but hardcore UFO enthusiasts. Any future claims would be viewed with extreme skepticism unless they had physical proof.
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Re: UFOs

Postby bigtoughralf on Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:46 pm

Something similar happened with Scientology. People heard the tales of Xenu transporting millions of his subjects across the galaxy to Earth, where they lived on as immortal thetans, and started to pay attention. However, soon after Tom Cruise jumped on a sofa and shouted about being happy and the whole religion became discredited by association.
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Re: UFOs

Postby GaryDenton on Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:58 pm

I am waiting for more. We have entered a slow rollout of this which has been all conducted in secret for decades.

https://earthsky.org/human-world/crashed-ufos-whistleblower-uap/
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Re: UFOs

Postby mookiemcgee on Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:13 pm

saxitoxin wrote:I've now listened to the Grush interview. His speech and mannerisms strike me as very unbelievable. Combined with the fact he doesn't purport to have seen anything himself, I'm disinclined to put much stock in him.


Tend to agree. Could be senior intelligence people are just trolling him into ruining his own career.
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Re: UFOs

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:15 pm

mookiemcgee wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:I've now listened to the Grush interview. His speech and mannerisms strike me as very unbelievable. Combined with the fact he doesn't purport to have seen anything himself, I'm disinclined to put much stock in him.


Tend to agree. Could be senior intelligence people are just trolling him into ruining his own career.


His presentation was very "gee whiz look at this! Look what I know! Wow isn't this just wild!" Very boastful and he described things almost like they were a novelty.

He also came across as a person of mere average intelligence. Not below average, just unremarkable.
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Re: UFOs

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:21 pm

On the day of the Trump indictment and one day after release of the FBI Biden memo this just broke and is the most read story on The Hill. Something's going on and it's not aliens.

To eliminate potential ambiguity regarding such an extraordinary development, a knowledgeable source confirmed to me that the intelligence community inspector general found “allegations that there is a [UFO crash retrieval] program [to be] urgent and credible.”

Marik von Rennenkampff served as an analyst with the U.S. Department of State’s Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation, as well as an Obama administration appointee at the U.S. Department of Defense.

https://thehill.com/opinion/4038159-stu ... le-urgent/


That's not to say I totally discredit the very idea of a government or nongovernmental coverup. Like I said I've had a couple inexplicable things. But I agree with McGee that this is a planned release and probably has nothing to do with reality.
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Re: UFOs

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:37 pm

saxitoxin wrote:On the day of the Trump indictment and one day after release of the FBI Biden memo this just broke and is the most read story on The Hill. Something's going on and it's not aliens.

To eliminate potential ambiguity regarding such an extraordinary development, a knowledgeable source confirmed to me that the intelligence community inspector general found “allegations that there is a [UFO crash retrieval] program [to be] urgent and credible.”

Marik von Rennenkampff served as an analyst with the U.S. Department of State’s Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation, as well as an Obama administration appointee at the U.S. Department of Defense.

https://thehill.com/opinion/4038159-stu ... le-urgent/


That's not to say I totally discredit the very idea of a government or nongovernmental coverup. Like I said I've had a couple inexplicable things. But I agree with McGee that this is a planned release and probably has nothing to do with reality.


And who is causing this distraction from Trump and Ukraine?

At least most can discuss this topic without the usual rancor.
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Re: UFOs

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:57 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:On the day of the Trump indictment and one day after release of the FBI Biden memo this just broke and is the most read story on The Hill. Something's going on and it's not aliens.

To eliminate potential ambiguity regarding such an extraordinary development, a knowledgeable source confirmed to me that the intelligence community inspector general found “allegations that there is a [UFO crash retrieval] program [to be] urgent and credible.”

Marik von Rennenkampff served as an analyst with the U.S. Department of State’s Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation, as well as an Obama administration appointee at the U.S. Department of Defense.

https://thehill.com/opinion/4038159-stu ... le-urgent/


That's not to say I totally discredit the very idea of a government or nongovernmental coverup. Like I said I've had a couple inexplicable things. But I agree with McGee that this is a planned release and probably has nothing to do with reality.


And who is causing this distraction from Trump and Ukraine?

At least most can discuss this topic without the usual rancor.



I never said the word "distraction" nor any synonym of it.

My mention of Trump and Biden was merely to point out it's a busy news cycle today but that UFOs force their way to the top of all public attention. I would have made the same observation if Ellen DeGeneres pleasured herself on the spire of the Empire State Building on live TV this morning but UFOs were still the lead story.
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Re: UFOs

Postby GaryDenton on Fri Jun 09, 2023 6:24 pm

All of the whistleblower evidence about aliens and alien craft is like the bribery evidence against Biden - all hearsay, no proof.

Sigh. He needs someone to back him up or he needs to show some material or artifact.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/09/ufo-alien-vehicles-us-whistleblower-evidence-where-is-proof
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Re: UFOs

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Jun 09, 2023 6:54 pm

Another thing ... why did he make this disclosure at all?

People who reveal classified information without authorization seem to usually do it for two reasons:
    - To expose a wrong (Edward Snowden)
    - To obtain something of tangible value (Robert Hansen)
He seems to be doing it just because he feels the public would get a kick out of knowing.

Here's his interview. He seems so flippant about the whole thing, like he's describing the plot of a Star Trek episode. Not believable.



I guarantee, within the next three months this guy is gonna get Rebekah Jonesed; there'll be all sorts of crazy in his background that will come to light. The New York Times is gonna look utterly brilliant for turning this story down.
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Re: UFOs

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Jun 11, 2023 12:24 am

To eliminate potential ambiguity regarding such an extraordinary development, a knowledgeable source confirmed to me that the intelligence community inspector general found “allegations that there is a [UFO crash retrieval] program [to be] urgent and credible.”

Marik von Rennenkampff served as an analyst with the U.S. Department of State’s Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation, as well as an Obama administration appointee at the U.S. Department of Defense.

https://thehill.com/opinion/4038159-stu ... le-urgent/


It's started. The above article was just significantly edited and quietly appended with this note:

    Editor’s note: This story has been updated to correct misleading assertions about the nature of the intelligence community inspector general’s findings. We regret the error.
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Re: UFOs

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:30 pm



What We Know

- A green light moved through the sky
- The source of the green light is so far unexplained
- A flash and the sound of an explosion was heard near the location of the green light's movement
- Three people give police testimony that, at about that time, an object appeared in their backyard from which tall, "non-human" bipeds emerged
- The police say the witness testimony is "believable"
- The witnesses tell a TV station that there have been men in black suits driving black SUVs in the neighborhood since the incident
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Re: UFOs

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:03 am

bigtoughralf wrote:However, soon after Tom Cruise jumped on a sofa and shouted about being happy and the whole religion became discredited by association.


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Re: UFOs

Postby Dukasaur on Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:20 am

The guys I was working with saw green flashes on the horizon last night.

I joked that it was the spearhead of the Martian invasion.

Shortly afterwards, all the lights on the highway went out.

Generally speaking, green flashes are overloaded electrical transformers exploding.

Green lights in the sky are just exploding transformers in the distance, reflecting off the clouds. Nothing to see here.

Of course, if I wake up this afternoon and giant tripods are walking through town, I will admit I was wrong.
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Re: UFOs

Postby Maxleod on Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:49 am

Dukasaur wrote:The guys I was working with saw green flashes on the horizon last night.

I joked that it was the spearhead of the Martian invasion.

Shortly afterwards, all the lights on the highway went out.

Generally speaking, green flashes are overloaded electrical transformers exploding.

Green lights in the sky are just exploding transformers in the distance, reflecting off the clouds. Nothing to see here.

Of course, if I wake up this afternoon and giant tripods are walking through town, I will admit I was wrong.


Tom Cruise fought off giant tripods.
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Re: UFOs

Postby 2dimes on Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:40 am

How did bipeds become tripods? Did your phone switch that on you Duke?
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Re: UFOs

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:49 am

Dukasaur wrote:The guys I was working with saw green flashes on the horizon last night.

I joked that it was the spearhead of the Martian invasion.

Shortly afterwards, all the lights on the highway went out.

Generally speaking, green flashes are overloaded electrical transformers exploding.

Green lights in the sky are just exploding transformers in the distance, reflecting off the clouds. Nothing to see here.

Of course, if I wake up this afternoon and giant tripods are walking through town, I will admit I was wrong.


But do they fly through the sky like the videos? And, right after they explode, do 10 foot tall aliens show up trying to steal a backhoe?
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Re: UFOs

Postby mookiemcgee on Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:01 pm

saxitoxin wrote:Another thing ... why did he make this disclosure at all?

People who reveal classified information without authorization seem to usually do it for two reasons:
    - To expose a wrong (Edward Snowden)
    - To obtain something of tangible value (Robert Hansen)
He seems to be doing it just because he feels the public would get a kick out of knowing.

Here's his interview. He seems so flippant about the whole thing, like he's describing the plot of a Star Trek episode. Not believable.



I guarantee, within the next three months this guy is gonna get Rebekah Jonesed; there'll be all sorts of crazy in his background that will come to light. The New York Times is gonna look utterly brilliant for turning this story down.



I think one option you may have left out of the initial post about different 'aliens are here' breakdowns is the possibility there are multiple alien races here and they actually kinda at war with each other (but tech is so advanced it stays mostly 'dark' to humanity). I don't think this is a strong possibility but it is one I've seen in multiple TV series and makes for more drama.
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Re: UFOs

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:13 pm

mookiemcgee wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:Another thing ... why did he make this disclosure at all?

People who reveal classified information without authorization seem to usually do it for two reasons:
    - To expose a wrong (Edward Snowden)
    - To obtain something of tangible value (Robert Hansen)
He seems to be doing it just because he feels the public would get a kick out of knowing.

Here's his interview. He seems so flippant about the whole thing, like he's describing the plot of a Star Trek episode. Not believable.



I guarantee, within the next three months this guy is gonna get Rebekah Jonesed; there'll be all sorts of crazy in his background that will come to light. The New York Times is gonna look utterly brilliant for turning this story down.


I think one option you may have left out of the initial post about different 'aliens are here' breakdowns is the possibility there are multiple alien races here and they actually kinda at war with each other (but tech is so advanced it stays mostly 'dark' to humanity). I don't think this is a strong possibility but it is one I've seen in multiple TV series and makes for more drama.


That makes sense as everything coalesces around several different archetypes:

    - Greys ... rumored to either be ETs, physically evolved future humans, independent AI, or AI slaves of the Reptilians
    - Reptilians ... rumored to be either ETs or Cryptoterrestrials; associated with Dulce Base
    - Tall Nordics
    - Mantids
    - Men in Black ... supposedly agents of the Majestic 12 but also rumored to be ETs themselves
    - Shadow People
    - Black Eyed Children
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Re: UFOs

Postby mookiemcgee on Mon Jun 12, 2023 12:19 pm

Which catagory does 'Fergie' fall into?

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