Border Security Bill

[pmac666]

Sry for the wokeness.

"When you label someone an “illegal alien” or “illegal immigrant” or just plain “illegal,” you are effectively saying the individual, as opposed to the actions the person has taken, is unlawful. The terms imply the very existence of an unauthorized migrant in America is criminal.

In this country, there is still a presumption of innocence that requires a jury to convict someone of a crime. If you don’t pay your taxes, are you an illegal? What if you get a speeding ticket? A murder conviction? No. You’re still not an illegal. Even alleged terrorists and child molesters aren’t labeled illegals.

By becoming judge, jury and executioner, you dehumanize the individual and generate animosity toward them. New York Times editorial writer Lawrence Downes says “illegal” is often “a code word for racial and ethnic hatred.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/05/opin ... index.html

No , you're not sorry...
BLA bla bla

Yeah you got me, im not sorry at all.

[HitRed]

Isn’t trespassing prima facie?

[jusplay4fun]

Does your country, pmac, have an open border? Doubtful.

[Votanic]

Does your country, pmac, have an open border? Doubtful.

Assuming he is 'Austrian' (or just a VPN?), his country is actually called 'Schengen' (sort of a USA copy) and yes, they do have a border.

[jusplay4fun]

Does your country, pmac, have an open border? Doubtful.

Assuming he is 'Austrian' (or just a VPN?), his country is actually called 'Schengen' (sort of a USA copy) and yes, they do have a border.

You did not read carefully, Vot. Of course, his country has a border. The question still is: does it have an OPEN border? Do they let anyone and everyone IN? without documentation? without "permission"?

That is basically what is happening at the US-Mexican border. An immigrant requests asylum and he/she is IN, basically. Most are really fleeing ECONOMIC WOES (poverty) and violence, not true political oppression and thus is NOT legitimately claiming asylum. There are even reports of Cubans crossing the border with Mexico into the USA.

[Votanic]

Does your country, pmac, have an open border? Doubtful.

Assuming he is 'Austrian' (or just a VPN?), his country is actually called 'Schengen' (sort of a USA copy) and yes, they do have a border.

You did not read carefully, Vot. Of course, his country has a border. The question still is: does it have an OPEN border? Do they let anyone and everyone IN? without documentation? without "permission"?

That is basically what is happening at the US-Mexican border. An immigrant requests asylum and he/she is IN, basically. Most are really fleeing ECONOMIC WOES (poverty) and violence, not true political oppression and thus is NOT legitimately claiming asylum. There are even reports of Cubans crossing the border with Mexico into the USA.

I read carefully.
Firstly, no real border is ever completely open or closed, so all this is relative.
Still, a properly run border should at least check identies and allow/deny admittance based on some rational rubric involving cost and benefit to the receiving nation.
Secondly, whenever a border does become completely open, it ceases to be a border in any meaningful way. Open border = Borderless.

[jusplay4fun]

Does your country, pmac, have an open border? Doubtful.

Assuming he is 'Austrian' (or just a VPN?), his country is actually called 'Schengen' (sort of a USA copy) and yes, they do have a border.

You did not read carefully, Vot. Of course, his country has a border. The question still is: does it have an OPEN border? Do they let anyone and everyone IN? without documentation? without "permission"?

That is basically what is happening at the US-Mexican border. An immigrant requests asylum and he/she is IN, basically. Most are really fleeing ECONOMIC WOES (poverty) and violence, not true political oppression and thus is NOT legitimately claiming asylum. There are even reports of Cubans crossing the border with Mexico into the USA.

I read carefully.
Firstly, no real border is ever completely open or closed, so all this is relative.
Still, a properly run border should at least check identies and allow/deny admittance based on some rational rubric involving cost and benefit to the receiving nation.
Secondly, whenever a border does become completely open, it ceases to be a border in any meaningful way. Open border = Borderless.

I wholeheartedly agree with the portion I enlarged. That is the MAIN point of my thread (on this topic): Biden has essentially allowed an open border, (mostly) to the detriment of the USA.

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=235685&start=300

[Votanic]

Does your country, pmac, have an open border? Doubtful.

Assuming he is 'Austrian' (or just a VPN?), his country is actually called 'Schengen' (sort of a USA copy) and yes, they do have a border.

You did not read carefully, Vot. Of course, his country has a border. The question still is: does it have an OPEN border? Do they let anyone and everyone IN? without documentation? without "permission"?

That is basically what is happening at the US-Mexican border. An immigrant requests asylum and he/she is IN, basically. Most are really fleeing ECONOMIC WOES (poverty) and violence, not true political oppression and thus is NOT legitimately claiming asylum. There are even reports of Cubans crossing the border with Mexico into the USA.

I read carefully.
Firstly, no real border is ever completely open or closed, so all this is relative.
Still, a properly run border should at least check identies and allow/deny admittance based on some rational rubric involving cost and benefit to the receiving nation.
Secondly, whenever a border does become completely open, it ceases to be a border in any meaningful way. Open border = Borderless.

I wholeheartedly agree with the portion I enlarged. That is the MAIN point of my thread (on this topic): Biden has essentially allowed an open border, (mostly) to the detriment of the USA.

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=235685&start=300

Obviously, the poor state of the border is not accidental, but rather suggests traitorous corruption from within our nation's highest office.
Indeed, the actual intent and result is basically foreign invasion.

[pmac666]

Does your country, pmac, have an open border? Doubtful.

No we have not. Just like you.

[pmac666]

Does your country, pmac, have an open border? Doubtful.

Assuming he is 'Austrian' (or just a VPN?), his country is actually called 'Schengen' (sort of a USA copy) and yes, they do have a border.

You did not read carefully, Vot. Of course, his country has a border. The question still is: does it have an OPEN border? Do they let anyone and everyone IN? without documentation? without "permission"?

That is basically what is happening at the US-Mexican border. An immigrant requests asylum and he/she is IN, basically. Most are really fleeing ECONOMIC WOES (poverty) and violence, not true political oppression and thus is NOT legitimately claiming asylum. There are even reports of Cubans crossing the border with Mexico into the USA.

I read carefully.
Firstly, no real border is ever completely open or closed, so all this is relative.
Still, a properly run border should at least check identies and allow/deny admittance based on some rational rubric involving cost and benefit to the receiving nation.
Secondly, whenever a border does become completely open, it ceases to be a border in any meaningful way. Open border = Borderless.

I wholeheartedly agree with the portion I enlarged. That is the MAIN point of my thread (on this topic): Biden has essentially allowed an open border, (mostly) to the detriment of the USA.

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=235685&start=300

Obviously, the poor state of the border is not accidental, but rather suggests traitorous corruption from within our nation's highest office.
Indeed, the actual intent and result is basically foreign invasion.

Any evidence for that traiterous corruption or is it just your feelings?

[Dukasaur]

Does your country, pmac, have an open border? Doubtful.

Assuming he is 'Austrian' (or just a VPN?), his country is actually called 'Schengen' (sort of a USA copy) and yes, they do have a border.

You did not read carefully, Vot. Of course, his country has a border. The question still is: does it have an OPEN border? Do they let anyone and everyone IN? without documentation? without "permission"?

That is basically what is happening at the US-Mexican border. An immigrant requests asylum and he/she is IN, basically.

That's not exactly accurate. Under international law, and asylum seeker has a right to stay until his case is heard. For many years, the U.S. didn't hire enough judges to hear all the cases, and the backlog grew. Eventually, your country gave up even trying.

Some of the refugee claimants that don't have their cases heard disappear into the country and become de facto residents. Others are deported under various pretexts. It's basically wrong either way, and it's really the luck of the draw whether someone illegally stays or is illegally deported. The problem could be solved easily: develop clear and consistent rules for what constitutes a valid claim. aggressively increase the number of judges and have them work dawn to dusk clearing cases until cases can be heard in a reasonable amount of time.

It really wouldn't be a difficult fix. The reason you don't fix it is that, like all rich countries, you teach your kids that everyone who gets through school will get a high-paying white-collar job. Like all rich countries, your native-born citizens won't do the dirty, menial jobs that still need doing. You have a chronic labour shortage at the low end of the scale, and these "illegals" that you slander so much are the life blood of your economy. That's why Congress won't act, because while they would never admit it publicly, they know damn well that without illegal immigration, your economy is fucked.

[jusplay4fun]

Does your country, pmac, have an open border? Doubtful.

Assuming he is 'Austrian' (or just a VPN?), his country is actually called 'Schengen' (sort of a USA copy) and yes, they do have a border.

You did not read carefully, Vot. Of course, his country has a border. The question still is: does it have an OPEN border? Do they let anyone and everyone IN? without documentation? without "permission"?

That is basically what is happening at the US-Mexican border. An immigrant requests asylum and he/she is IN, basically.

That's not exactly accurate. Under international law, and asylum seeker has a right to stay until his case is heard. For many years, the U.S. didn't hire enough judges to hear all the cases, and the backlog grew. Eventually, your country gave up even trying.

Some of the refugee claimants that don't have their cases heard disappear into the country and become de facto residents. Others are deported under various pretexts. It's basically wrong either way, and it's really the luck of the draw whether someone illegally stays or is illegally deported. The problem could be solved easily: develop clear and consistent rules for what constitutes a valid claim. aggressively increase the number of judges and have them work dawn to dusk clearing cases until cases can be heard in a reasonable amount of time.

It really wouldn't be a difficult fix. The reason you don't fix it is that, like all rich countries, you teach your kids that everyone who gets through school will get a high-paying white-collar job. Like all rich countries, your native-born citizens won't do the dirty, menial jobs that still need doing. You have a chronic labour shortage at the low end of the scale, and these "illegals" that you slander so much are the life blood of your economy. That's why Congress won't act, because while they would never admit it publicly, they know damn well that without illegal immigration, your economy is fucked.

They number of illegal immigrants is so large that we cannot provide enough judges and courts.

Immigration Court Backlog Tops 3 Million; Each Judge Assigned 4,500 Cases
Published Dec 18, 2023

A new record was reached in November. The Immigration Court backlog passed 3 million pending cases. Just 12 months ago, during November 2022, the backlog was 2 million. That means the case backlog has grown by a million cases in just the past 12 months.

Immigration Judges are swamped. Immigration Judges now average 4,500 pending cases each. If every person with a pending immigration case were gathered together, it would be larger than the population of Chicago, the third largest city in the United States. Indeed, the number of waiting immigrants in the Court’s backlog is now larger than the population found in many states.

https://trac.syr.edu/reports/734/#:~:text=The%20Immigration%20Court%20backlog%20passed,Immigration%20Judges%20are%20swamped.

As I have already shown, Biden's words and policies have encouraged more illegal immigration from countries of poverty and violence. This crises is due to Biden's actions, inactions, and words. We may need "ditch diggers" (to collect all unskilled laborers), but we do not need 3 million of them.

[pmac666]

Does your country, pmac, have an open border? Doubtful.

Assuming he is 'Austrian' (or just a VPN?), his country is actually called 'Schengen' (sort of a USA copy) and yes, they do have a border.

You did not read carefully, Vot. Of course, his country has a border. The question still is: does it have an OPEN border? Do they let anyone and everyone IN? without documentation? without "permission"?

That is basically what is happening at the US-Mexican border. An immigrant requests asylum and he/she is IN, basically.

That's not exactly accurate. Under international law, and asylum seeker has a right to stay until his case is heard. For many years, the U.S. didn't hire enough judges to hear all the cases, and the backlog grew. Eventually, your country gave up even trying.

Some of the refugee claimants that don't have their cases heard disappear into the country and become de facto residents. Others are deported under various pretexts. It's basically wrong either way, and it's really the luck of the draw whether someone illegally stays or is illegally deported. The problem could be solved easily: develop clear and consistent rules for what constitutes a valid claim. aggressively increase the number of judges and have them work dawn to dusk clearing cases until cases can be heard in a reasonable amount of time.

It really wouldn't be a difficult fix. The reason you don't fix it is that, like all rich countries, you teach your kids that everyone who gets through school will get a high-paying white-collar job. Like all rich countries, your native-born citizens won't do the dirty, menial jobs that still need doing. You have a chronic labour shortage at the low end of the scale, and these "illegals" that you slander so much are the life blood of your economy. That's why Congress won't act, because while they would never admit it publicly, they know damn well that without illegal immigration, your economy is fucked.

They number of illegal immigrants is so large that we cannot provide enough judges and courts.

Immigration Court Backlog Tops 3 Million; Each Judge Assigned 4,500 Cases
Published Dec 18, 2023

A new record was reached in November. The Immigration Court backlog passed 3 million pending cases. Just 12 months ago, during November 2022, the backlog was 2 million. That means the case backlog has grown by a million cases in just the past 12 months.

Immigration Judges are swamped. Immigration Judges now average 4,500 pending cases each. If every person with a pending immigration case were gathered together, it would be larger than the population of Chicago, the third largest city in the United States. Indeed, the number of waiting immigrants in the Court’s backlog is now larger than the population found in many states.

https://trac.syr.edu/reports/734/#:~:text=The%20Immigration%20Court%20backlog%20passed,Immigration%20Judges%20are%20swamped.

As I have already shown, Biden's words and policies have encouraged more illegal immigration from countries of poverty and violence. This crises is due to Biden's actions, inactions, and words. We may need "ditch diggers" (to collect all unskilled laborers), but we do not need 3 million of them.

What are this words and policies?

[pmac666]

I checked around now a bit and dont really see it.
What is exactly the policy that encourages poor Miguel from Honduras to come to the US?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrati ... mmigration.

Also he already assigned 300 new judges for the backlog cases and he wants another 150 in 2024, so hes on it.
And i doubt you can assign them in the thousands in such short period of time. Thats not really inaction and its hardly the only crisis hes facing.

"The Biden administration has tried to address the backlog by hiring 302 judges to the nation's immigration courts. The White House is asking in its 2024 budget request for funding to hire 150 more."

For reference, Trump assigned about 200.


Now to his words, heres a speech from January last year on immigration, can you please point me to the inviting words for poor Miguel?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... forcement/

[jusplay4fun]

I have already addressed this issue, words used by Biden that encouraged more illegal immigration to the USA.

As I have said, I have been discussing this topic for a long time, and I can forgive pmac for not having read something that I posted already where I addressed this issue some six months ago:

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=235685&start=250

Re: Biden causes Crisis at the US-Mexico Border
Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Jul 06, 2023 5:04 pm

Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:
It was Biden's words and actions at the very start of his Administration that ENCOURAGED immigrants.

Which words? Please indicate exactly which words you think encouraged people to immigrate.

[GaryDenton]

Republicans gave up governing and solutions in favor of political theater long ago. They want to campaign on migrants. They reject solutions.

They want to impeach the Secretary for being in charge of it and they have the same lack of grounds as the last five secretaries.

In 2005 Republicans blocked a bipartisan immigration reform bill.
They blocked a different one in 2006.
They blocked another one in 2007.
They blocked a big one in 2013.
In 2023 they passed nothing on immigration or anything, too busy fighting with each other and fighting over who should be the leader. Biden, of course, sent them a massive border improvement bill they ignored.

In the meantime, quietly under Biden, there are fewer undocumented here now than under Trump.

[pmac666]

I have already addressed this issue, words used by Biden that encouraged more illegal immigration to the USA.

As I have said, I have been discussing this topic for a long time, and I can forgive pmac for not having read something that I posted already where I addressed this issue some six months ago:

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=235685&start=250

Re: Biden causes Crisis at the US-Mexico Border
Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Jul 06, 2023 5:04 pm

Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:
It was Biden's words and actions at the very start of his Administration that ENCOURAGED immigrants.

Which words? Please indicate exactly which words you think encouraged people to immigrate.

Duk already answered that ofc: "So you think optimism about the future is an invitation to swim the Rio Grande?"

[jusplay4fun]

I have already addressed this issue, words used by Biden that encouraged more illegal immigration to the USA.

As I have said, I have been discussing this topic for a long time, and I can forgive pmac for not having read something that I posted already where I addressed this issue some six months ago:

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=235685&start=250

Re: Biden causes Crisis at the US-Mexico Border
Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Jul 06, 2023 5:04 pm

Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:
It was Biden's words and actions at the very start of his Administration that ENCOURAGED immigrants.

Which words? Please indicate exactly which words you think encouraged people to immigrate.

Duk already answered that ofc: "So you think optimism about the future is an invitation to swim the Rio Grande?"

You obviously failed to read what I posted. Your loss. And you prove my point, that you are a TROLL. Time to FOE you.

[pmac666]

Bye Felicia.

[Votanic]

You obviously failed to read what I posted. Your loss. And you prove my point, that you are a TROLL. Time to FOE you.

I don't recommend foeing, jus'.
With such trolls, you can always choose when to ignore and when to skewer... but stay aware.

[Pack Rat]

Bye Felicia.

Did I hear that jusplay4fun is taking his ball home?

Not the first time he had a temper tantrum, lol.

[Pack Rat]

You obviously failed to read what I posted. Your loss. And you prove my point, that you are a TROLL. Time to FOE you.

I don't recommend foeing, jus'.
With such trolls, you can always choose when to ignore and when to skewer... but stay aware.

You're calling who a troll? ROTFLMAO!

[pmac666]

Seems hes easily triggered by calling a racist a racist. lol

Btw another maga conspiracy up in flames.

https://www.rawstory.com/ray-epps-felony/

Ray Epps, a supporter of former President Donald Trump who conspiracists accused of being an undercover federal agent, has been hit with a misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct with the intent to disrupt a government proceeding.

Politico is reporting that Epps "is expected to offer a guilty plea to the charge Wednesday as part of a deal with prosecutors, according to an entry in the court’s docket."

Conservative media figures such as former Fox News host Tucker Carlson have claimed, without providing evidence, that Epps was a federal agent acting as a provocateur whose mission was to trick Trump supporters into launching a violent assault on the United States Capitol building.

[Votanic]

Ultra-troll... and worse than that, a vaguely humanoid propaganda spam-bot.
Cherry-pick his fave PC newsfeed. Cut. Paste. Repeat.
Now OT Forums is his latest victim.

& I guess 'Headless' wants to be counted in too...
Well, if you insist.

[pmac666]

Muh information bad.
I always just think of what a shitty year is ahead for you and your orange hero and i cant help but smile.