2nd Amendment Rights!

[Pack Rat]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYaVRCDK/

If school children have to endure those rights, can CEOs?

[ConfederateSS]

---------The difference is, Detroit school kids are all packing heat...So, you probably don't want to open fire...You'll be hit in seconds from another direction...
-------- About the NYC shooting.... It's not that the gunman shot the CEO ....The biggest problem...He shot the CEO from behind, in the back...A no...no...You kill someone...You look them in the eye...Face to face...Let'em know, yeah Mother F*cker....It's ME...sucker...Do it with HONOR...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[Pack Rat]

---------The difference is, Detroit school kids are all packing heat...So, you probably don't want to open fire...You'll be hit in seconds from another direction...
-------- About the NYC shooting.... It's not that the gunman shot the CEO ....The biggest problem...He shot the CEO from behind, in the back...A no...no...You kill someone...You look them in the eye...Face to face...Let'em know, yeah Mother F*cker....It's ME...sucker...Do it with HONOR...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

Honor? Really ConfederateSS? Shot in the back or in the face, end result death. How about doing the honorable thing...give the unarmed guy a gun.

Fuk, that sh!t! That CEO has murdered thousands and is no better than any fascist. Profit is all that pig understood. How about showing children some respect...

[2dimes]

Fine I'll bite.

First off. Wat?

You figure some gun laws or a retraction of the second amendment, is going to fix broken people going off? The word, "Doubtful" feels like an understatement.

We have lots of terrific gun limiting laws and they just keep adding more. It's getting stupid up here. Yet there are still lots of illegal guns showing up.

The current Prime Minister and whoever's in office helping him pass corrupt new restrictions against decent gun owners is making me jealous of the "2nd amendment."

Soon my hunting buddies are all going to have to switch to compound bows, not an easy task for us seniors. Worse, guys that like going outside in bear country may have to break the law to protect themselves, and/or register their defensive bear whacking sticks.

But hey good luck with your great plans for fixing these simple issues.

[ConfederateSS]

-------He was a Mid-Westener, traveling to NYC...He could of bought one off the street anytime....How do you know he didn't have a gun....He was shot in the back...If he was wearing it, for the world to see...Or in his pocket....He was shot in the back...He couldn't draw, if he had one...
----------#1 rule in the Old West...A regular person, an outlaw, or a lawman....No one wanted to be known/called a back shooter...Gun or no gun..Rob a bank, shot the people inside...They shot them, face to face, then ran out, hop on the horses...The chase was on...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...I'm sure some shot people in the back...But , their family, friends...Others...Found out...They were shunned, or hung from a CottonWood Tree...

[Dukasaur]

We have lots of terrific gun limiting laws and they just keep adding more. It's getting stupid up here. Yet there are still lots of illegal guns showing up.

Well, we are uniquely positioned to have the world's longest unprotected border, right next to a country where any donkey has a constitutional right to buy 500 guns.

We could scrap 90% of our gun laws safely if we would just invest in more Customs inspectors.

[KoolBak]

That's offensive DoD.

The gun buying laws are strict and strictly enforced. And abided by 99 plus percent of decent, safe gun owners.

Don't let the few skew your opinion of the many.

[jusplay4fun]

We have lots of terrific gun limiting laws and they just keep adding more. It's getting stupid up here. Yet there are still lots of illegal guns showing up.

Well, we are uniquely positioned to have the world's longest unprotected border, right next to a country where any donkey has a constitutional right to buy 500 guns.

We could scrap 90% of our gun laws safely if we would just invest in more Customs inspectors.

Gun safety laws are not the problem with Guns in America.

More Customs inspectors for whom? USA? Canada? what about the US-Mexican border?

[Pack Rat]

There won't be no serious gun reform laws, until we encourage all . minorities, progressives and other undesirable to buy assault rifles and easy to hide hand guns. Thank God we can legally put on silencers on our guns, so we don't alarm our neighbors in the middle of the night, while we clean our voting rolls in a humanely way.

[KoolBak]

Ignoring the syntax, spelling and hypocrisy, do you have any idea at all the effort and expense involved in acquiring a can?

Obviously that's rhetoric.

Idiot.

I really have to quit looking at that DB's posts. They are unilaterally ignorant and ugly. Sigh.

[Maxleod]

We have lots of terrific gun limiting laws and they just keep adding more. It's getting stupid up here. Yet there are still lots of illegal guns showing up.

Well, we are uniquely positioned to have the world's longest unprotected border, right next to a country where any donkey has a constitutional right to buy 500 guns.

We could scrap 90% of our gun laws safely if we would just invest in more Customs inspectors.

Damn right Dukasaur, only Republicans should have the right to buy 500 guns.

[DirtyDishSoap]

I'm more leaned towards gun safety and practice being taught more to the public in general.

You're always going to have a loon that'll cast a bad light on any given subject though. We do have a problem with alot of shootings though, nothing that gets passed seems to really stick or make it more difficult to commit mass X or assassination attempts. I have no real solutions.

[HitRed]

[DirtyDishSoap]

That doesn't stop people from killing. Ask how the crusades went.
Go back to your diary and stop pestering the rest of us with your religion.

[HitRed]

I have no real solutions. - DirtyDishSoap

[DirtyDishSoap]

"I rely on a mythical being in the sky for the answers" - Hitred

[Dukasaur]

We have lots of terrific gun limiting laws and they just keep adding more. It's getting stupid up here. Yet there are still lots of illegal guns showing up.

Well, we are uniquely positioned to have the world's longest unprotected border, right next to a country where any donkey has a constitutional right to buy 500 guns.

We could scrap 90% of our gun laws safely if we would just invest in more Customs inspectors.

Gun safety laws are not the problem with Guns in America.

More Customs inspectors for whom? USA? Canada? what about the US-Mexican border?

Canada, obviously.

The gangs don't even have to work hard. They bring the guns over the Peace Bridge in broad daylight, knowing that with the current staffing level, they have about a 1% chance of being searched. And even if they do get caught, they only have a 40% chance of being convicted, thanks to our fucked up judicial system.

So do the math. 100 guns in the trunk of your Jetta, bought for $50 each in Cleveland, sold for $250 each in Toronto. Net profit, $20,000 for a weekend's work. 1% chance of getting caught, 40% chance of getting convicted. Cost-benefit analysis comes up great.

That's offensive DoD.

The gun buying laws are strict and strictly enforced. And abided by 99 plus percent of decent, safe gun owners.

Don't let the few skew your opinion of the many.

I know the majority of gun owners are law-abiding and responsible. No argument there.

But a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

And I know gun buying laws in your state. But again, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

If I live in New York State with its strict background checks and I want a gun, I go for a drive down to West Virginia or the Carolinas where there are no background checks, no microstamping, no tracing, and no requirement to report sales to law enforcement.

And yeah, technically I'm supposed to prove residency in those states, but with no requirement to report and no microstamping, well, that provision is about as enforceable as a couple extra Franklins can make it.

And even states that have strict laws laws generally allow transfers to immediate family without a license. Ever seen what happens when a gun collector dies and his ne'er-do-well junkie sons suddenly find themselves with access to a couple hundred guns? Don't argue -- I've seen it with my own eyes.

Add to that private sales exemptions and gun show exemptions, and anyone in the U.S. who can't buy a gun illegally isn't trying very hard.

That's not offensive to you or to any other responsible gun owner. But be honest, if you weren't, you know damn well there are a hundred ways you could evade the law.

[KoolBak]

DoD, ALL STATES require a federal background check. There are NO gun show exemptions. And no tracing exists except for specialty purchases. Private sales are required to go thru registered FFLs. Obviously criminals don't care, but the rest of us do. I buy / sell a couple dozen weapons a year....

Not understanding your attempted point re: W V, for example.

[Dukasaur]

DoD, ALL STATES require a federal background check. There are NO gun show exemptions. And no tracing exists except for specialty purchases. Private sales are required to go thru registered FFLs. Obviously criminals don't care, but the rest of us do. I buy / sell a couple dozen weapons a year....

Not understanding your attempted point re: W V, for example.

Not an expert, and I haven't spent much time in the states since the early '80s, but a quick perusal of the internet.
https://www.everytown.org/report/background-checks-and-south-carolina-2/

South Carolina has not closed the unlicensed sale loophole, enabling prohibited purchasers to skip a background check by seeking out an unlicensed seller, who is not required to do a background check, at a gun show or online. Dramatic research shows the scale of this gaping loophole, as the vast market for no-questions-asked online gun sales has soared during the COVID-19 pandemic.
An investigation of the online gun market Armlist.com (“Armslist”) revealed a massive marketplace where unchecked gun sales are taking place between complete strangers meeting online, allowing criminals and other prohibited purchasers an easy avenue for access.
Each year, there are more than 56,000 ads on Armslist offering firearms for sale in South Carolina where no background check is legally required.4
Each one of those posts is an opportunity for a prohibited purchaser to acquire a gun. And research shows prohibited purchasers actively seek out these unregulated ads: In 2018, one in nine people looking to buy guns from unlicensed sellers would have failed a background check, a rate seven times higher than the denial rate at gun stores.5

WV came to mind, but here's SC (similar).


The gun show loophole has its own page on wikipedia:

The gun show loophole is a term describing the legal exception of mandated background checks for certain private sales of firearms in the United States. Primarily, it refers to "a situation in which many sellers dealing in firearms offer them for sale at gun shows without becoming licensed or subjecting purchasers to background checks".[1][2] Regardless of the context of a sale, private sales to buyers known or suspected of being prohibited from possessing firearms and "straw purchases" by others on behalf of prohibited purchasers are illegal.[3][4] The background check system and the private sale exemption were established by the 1993 Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, commonly known as the Brady Bill. Under the Brady Bill anyone not "engaged in the business" of selling firearms is not required to obtain a background check on buyers seeking to purchase firearms from a seller's private collection. Along with federal laws for firearms purchases, there are also local and state laws regulating background check requirements for the purchase of firearms.[5][6][7][8]

Advocates for gun rights find the "gun show loophole" terminology dubious, since the applicable law says nothing that is specifically about gun shows. They argue that current laws provide rules for commercial gun sellers more broadly, and intentionally do not regulate non-commercial, intrastate transfers of legal firearms between private citizens, regardless of whether the transactions occur at gun shows or somewhere else. In 1999 the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) reported that the definition of who is "engaged in the business" of firearms sales is overly narrow and that the Brady law did not help private sellers identify prohibited persons seeking to purchase firearms, while also allowing habitual arms traders to claim that they fall within the private sales exemption.[9] Since the mid-1990s, gun control advocates have campaigned for requiring universal background checks.[10][11] Implementing universal background checks would affect all private sales, not just those at gun shows.

Federal law requires the holders of a federal firearms license (FFL), such as gun stores, pawn shops, outdoors stores and other licensees, to perform a background check of the buyer and keep a record of the sale for any commercial sale, regardless of whether the sale takes place at the seller's regular place of business or at a gun show. Firearm sales between private individuals who reside in the same state – that is, sales in the "secondary market" and with an unlicensed seller – are exempt from these federal requirements. According to a statement by the United States Department of Justice in 2024, unlicensed dealers are a significant source of firearms that are illegally trafficked into communities.[12]

Twenty-two U.S. states, the District of Columbia, and all U.S. territories have laws that require background checks for some or all private sales, including sales at gun shows.

"Twenty-two states require background checks for some or all private sales" means that twenty-eight do not.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Have to side with KB here, but almost any gun you purchase legally requires a background check, regardless of state. Almost all firearms purchased comes with a SN and ammo can also be traced back. Most of these shootings I've seen have came from 3rd party, passed down, stolen or recklessly have had easy access.

You could do what was asked before and just turn them in, but folks love their guns and I'm not turning mine in anytime soon. There's a more general problem with the unhinged imo than the weapon itself.

[mookiemcgee]

folks love their guns and I'm not turning mine in anytime soon. There's a more general problem with the unhinged imo than the weapon itself.

I think any discussion about overturning the second is entirely pointless and regarded... even if it were remotely possible politically, no one in the US is going to give up their guns just because some leftist politicians managed to change the rules. It's a little like saying you are going to deport ALL illegal immigrants, makes for a fun soundbite, but is entirely out of touch with the reality of the situation.

[DirtyDishSoap]

^ this plus 100. Couldn't agree more

[mookiemcgee]

The CEO shooter had a 3d printed gun and printed silencer. I dunno if that factors into the discussion because i didn't actually read most of this thread but is a fun fact worth sharing

[DirtyDishSoap]

That absolutely fits into this discussion. I'll ask a simple question, where does the line be drawn?