America Vs europe

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discuss so we dont hijacks clappys thread

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[ignotus]

Europe!

[The Weird One]

I say this as an American having never been to Europe: Europe

[F1fth]

I'm sorry, but this is the most pointless and arbitrary fucking thread I've ever seen. Let it die after this post.

[DAZMCFC]

Great Britain. stuff you Yanks and Europeans.

[Harijan]

to elaborate the hijacking issue.

I claimed that my pet peeve is europe's public disdain for America while relying on the American military to protect europe all through the cold war, really ever since WW2. It irritates me that Europe has no problem ripping on the single strongest military force that the world has ever known when that military force has saved Europe over and over again.

I do not suppor the Iraq war.
I only listen to Bush when I need a laugh.
I believe that the current American foreign policy is highly destructive and dangerous.

But I live here, it is my responsibility to have opinions about that shit. I am the one who has to get rid of Bush type thinking. Until the EU or any individual european country has something to offer besides critism, STFU and go work on fixing the problem.

[ignotus]

Great Britain. stuff you Yanks and Europeans.

You brits were always extrawurst...

[cawck mongler]

to elaborate the hijacking issue.

I claimed that my pet peeve is europe's public disdain for America while relying on the American military to protect europe all through the cold war, really ever since WW2. It irritates me that Europe has no problem ripping on the single strongest military force that the world has ever known when that military force has saved Europe over and over again.

I do not suppor the Iraq war.
I only listen to Bush when I need a laugh.
I believe that the current American foreign policy is highly destructive and dangerous.

But I live here, it is my responsibility to have opinions about that shit. I am the one who has to get rid of Bush type thinking. Until the EU or any individual european country has something to offer besides critism, STFU and go work on fixing the problem.

Jesus f*ck you're a moron. HEY GUESS WHAT YOU FUCKING RETARD, WW1/2 WAS EUROPEANS VS. OTHER EUROPEANS, SO EUROPE WOULDN'T HAVE LOST EITHER FUCKING WAY, US only helped the side that would eventually win both times, and stole the glory away from Russia and the triple entente.

Cold War= Aftermath of WW2. If WW2 never happened, Europe would've been able to defend itself against Russia, and Russia wouldn't even be a superpower.

Your entire argument is that history turned out the way it did entirely because of America, which is a bullshit argument and you are batshit insane. Now go play nicely in preschool assfucker.

[Harijan]

OMG I thought CM was killed by his parents. My life was so much brighter about 2 minutes ago.

Cm, you are right, I am operating under the assumption that Europe was better off beating Hitler than Hitler beating the rest of Europe.

It is true I have no basis for this assumption other than common fucking sense.

Please go try and f*ck the family dog again so that your parents take away computer privileged for a few more weeks.

[cawck mongler]

OMG I thought CM was killed by his parents. My life was so much brighter about 2 minutes ago.

Cm, you are right, I am operating under the assumption that Europe was better off beating Hitler than Hitler beating the rest of Europe.

It is true I have no basis for this assumption other than common fucking sense.

Please go try and f*ck the family dog again so that your parents take away computer privileged for a few more weeks.

I ASSUME YOU ARE TO RETARDED TO EVEN REALISE THAT RUSSIA DID MOST OF THE FIGHTING, AND AMERIKKKAS CONTRIBUTIONS WERE REDUNDANT

[Napoleon Ier]

America speeded the war up quite a bit, but fundamentally, almost any nation alone would have eventually won. Nazism would have collapsed, occupation overthrown, even if it would have taken until 60s.

Yes, however, look at casualties and Russia obviously was the main contributor t the War Effort (but this doesnt answer the Cold War, which America did more or less single handedly win)
Deaths: (millions)
UK 0.45
FRANCE 0.62
USA 0.41
USSR 10-25
GERMANY 5-7

[muy_thaiguy]

OMG I thought CM was killed by his parents. My life was so much brighter about 2 minutes ago.

Cm, you are right, I am operating under the assumption that Europe was better off beating Hitler than Hitler beating the rest of Europe.

It is true I have no basis for this assumption other than common fucking sense.

Please go try and f*ck the family dog again so that your parents take away computer privileged for a few more weeks.

I ASSUME YOU ARE TO RETARDED TO EVEN REALISE THAT RUSSIA DID MOST OF THE FIGHTING, AND AMERIKKKAS CONTRIBUTIONS WERE REDUNDANT

cawk, SHUT UP! Russia and Europe both recieved large amounts of supplies, weapons, and materials from the US. So I suggest you shut your Socialist trap now.

[Napoleon Ier]

excellent point. no doubt supply of goods created at the profit of the oppressed proletariat do not count our socialo friend...

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I do not suppor the Iraq war.<<good It is the most pointless thing on Earth
I only listen to Bush when I need a laugh.<<are you one of these internet wankers that jumps on everything he says then goes on and on about freedom of speech

[btownmeggy]

What's the question?

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whats better and why

[cawck mongler]

YOU FUCKING AMERIKKANS WERE THE ONLY FUCKING FAGGOTS IN THE COLD WAR WITH RUSSIA, WHEN THERE ARE TWO FUCKING SUPERPOWERS, ITS PRETTY FUCKING OBVIOUS THEY'RE GOING TO FUCKING FIGHT, ITS NOT LIKE THE REST OF EUROPE GAVE A SHIT.

Yeah, and if you actually think Nazism wouldn't have fallen, you are sadly mistaken my retarded friend. Eugenics was big back then, Eisenhower even supported it; it was only after the war that everyone started associating it with the people who kicked their asses and thought it was bad.

Everyone hated the USSR, and it took them 50 years to get free of them, and unlike the USSR, Germany actually had an economy that wasn't shit. And since everyone who wasn't a Nazi was shot, I can see the 3rd Reich lasting a long time.

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Let's all welcome Cawck to the ban list! Keep it civil guys.. I know no one wants to join him.

[Napoleon Ier]

Yeah, and if you actually think Nazism wouldn't have fallen, you are sadly mistaken my retarded friend.

no need to get snippy

Eugenics was big back then, Eisenhower even supported it; it was only after the war that everyone started associating it with the people who kicked their asses and thought it was bad.

err...hm. Eisenhower supported it, so what? the rest of Europe were just very pissed off at the Nazis for well, bombing their homes, shooting their husbands and sons before occupation and requisitioning businesses. The question is not about eugenics but resistance. Supplantation ofthe whole of a people by the Germans could not have been sustained...
people could not give a monkeys about eugenics,but didaout their countries and freedom

Everyone hated the USSR, and it took them 50 years to get free of them, and unlike the USSR, Germany actually had an economy that wasn't shit. And since everyone who wasn't a Nazi was shot, I can see the 3rd Reich lasting a long time.

USSR is not the subject of debate. I said Nazism would not last in Europe.

Non-nazis weren't shot for thesimple reason everyone pretended to be or resisted (underground, fighting in clandestine operations). You cannot take and hold a foreign nation in Europe unless yo are extremely skilled and doing it gradually. The Nazis economy would have overheated, it was based on slave labour and public schemes.

[muy_thaiguy]

Not much point in replying, he was just banned. But I guess that gives you the last word in this I guess.

[cawck mongler]

Yeah, and if you actually think Nazism wouldn't have fallen, you are sadly mistaken my retarded friend.

no need to get snippy

Eugenics was big back then, Eisenhower even supported it; it was only after the war that everyone started associating it with the people who kicked their asses and thought it was bad.

err...hm. Eisenhower supported it, so what? the rest of Europe were just very pissed off at the Nazis for well, bombing their homes, shooting their husbands and sons before occupation and requisitioning businesses. The question is not about eugenics but resistance. Supplantation ofthe whole of a people by the Germans could not have been sustained...
people could not give a monkeys about eugenics,but didaout their countries and freedom

Everyone hated the USSR, and it took them 50 years to get free of them, and unlike the USSR, Germany actually had an economy that wasn't shit. And since everyone who wasn't a Nazi was shot, I can see the 3rd Reich lasting a long time.

USSR is not the subject of debate. I said Nazism would not last in Europe.

Non-nazis weren't shot for thesimple reason everyone pretended to be or resisted (underground, fighting in clandestine operations). You cannot take and hold a foreign nation in Europe unless yo are extremely skilled and doing it gradually. The Nazis economy would have overheated, it was based on slave labour and public schemes.

Yeah right, if people cared so much about their freedom then how did Russia conquer half of Europe and not have to worry about it for 50 years?

[Napoleon Ier]

Insufficient fighters left after WWII. They rolled in and booted out the Nazis, and then just took control. People thought they were liberators, but no. Then the great superpowers decided at Yalta for everyone who would be Russian subjects and who wouldn't. Besides, the clue is in your own post ny 1/2 Europe. They were held.

[cawck mongler]

Insufficient fighters left after WWII. They rolled in and booted out the Nazis, and then just took control. People thought they were liberators, but no. Then the great superpowers decided at Yalta for everyone who would be Russian subjects and who wouldn't. Besides, the clue is in your own post ny 1/2 Europe. They were held.

'Durr, I'm contradicting my earlier post saying its impossible to hold a country in Europe, hurr', give it a rest you little faggot, contrary to your beliefs, it isn't hard to take control of another country when your own country is stable. Burma is very unstable and just had massive riots, yet it held together, so I'm pretty sure Germany, with its huge industrial base could control a few frogs and backwater shitholes like Greece and Poland.

AmeriKKKa is even in control of Iraq, and they barely murder anyone.

[Napoleon Ier]

Let me ask you, what are your references, where are you from?
Do you think you can use your cras insults to maintain your ludicrous sophistry?

I shouldn't even bother answering you really but here we go :

Poland and France killed more Nazis that America and Britain put together. They used RESISTANCE MOVEMENTS, so before you insut these places consider the balls it took to do this despite the huge massacres such as Oradour sur Glane et al.. USSR? It COLLAPSED, buddy! Poland is INDEPENDANT!

So please, go away, read, think, and when you reach are certain intellectual maturity we can discuss.