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Postby Glork on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:25 pm

I would like to take a few moments to explain the existence of the recently-locked thread in this forum.

It is entirely true that we come from the same forum, and several of us recently discovered Conquer Club as a place to play RISK. Nevertheless, the dynamics of a forum community are important to us, and one of the best ways to test social dynamics is to immerse a group of familiars into an unexpected and potentially volatile situation. Quagunsan made an "elitist" thread essentially to see the reactions of veteran CC members. The reacitions were not what we had hoped, but approximately what we expected. While some replies indicated lighthearted willingness to go along with the "post and die if you don't know what's going on" attitude, the thread quickly degenerated into a bash-session with wild "multi" accusations, blatant "shove it, newb" attitudes, and blatant attempts to derail the thread and ridicule those of us putting on the elitist facade. While I will openly admit that, as the thread progressed, we helped foster the thread's demise as much as anybody else, I feel it is important to note that all of our behavior beyond the first several posts was determined directly by the reactions we got from CC posters replying to our thread.

It is sadly disappointing that our introduction was so poorly recieved by the community here. While a thread titled I just had myself an invisible poopie can exist and remain open, an over-the-top ridiculous introduction thread is met with immediate hostility, ignorant and completely unfounded accusations of cheating. All we intended was a little bit of tomfoolery -- we like to make a splash, and we wanted to indicate that we would be active, playful community members who could make a positive impact around here. Nevertheless, certain members have decided that, since we are unfamiliar with this community, familiar with each other, and proud to be united in our identities, we apparently pose some kind of threat. And the collective response to this threat was to berate and ridicule, to mock and belittle. Powermongers and forum veterans -- likely those who have a significant level of influence but are alarmed that they may meet a new force with which to reckon -- have instilled from their perspective an instantaneous (and sadly, likely permanent) air of conflict and separation.

I sincerely hope that those of you who were put off by our entrance will find it in your hearts to reassess your own behavior, to look towards the good in your new members instead of assuming the worst without thinking things through. There is a hideously overused phrase that indicates that the "first impression" is the most important one to be made. I challenge each and every one of you to prove such a ridiculous assertion wrong. We may be eccentric, headstrong, talkative, and goodness knows we are certainly argumentative... but we are perfectly capable of being positive community influences to an immeasurable degree. We only ask that you folks allow us the chance to show how a little shake-up can be a Good Thing. For those of you who fear change or your own positions within the CC community -- we aren't here to take over. This isn't a forum invasion. We merely decided that we wanted to make some waves and jump headfirst into the community with a little tomfoolery. Community members who are unwilling to pause and observe and think before making judgements about newcomers will never be able to help further the growth and prosperity of their social environment.

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Postby Anarkistsdream on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:26 pm

I seriously doubt that you and all your lame friends will be welcomed here after your introduction...

At the moment, I am trying to get you all banned.

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Postby JDodge on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:29 pm

Sigh...

It's sad that it has come to this; a mere introduction being a gateway to a hell of persecution just for being friends with each other.

I was looking forward to becoming a part of this community, but now...
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Postby Glork on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:30 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:I seriously doubt that you and all your lame friends will be welcomed here after your introduction...

At the moment, I am trying to get you all banned.

Thank You.
You see, this is exactly the kind of threatened behavior that is detrimental to a community. You are stuck on a first impression based on certain posters' antics and are completely unwilling to change your opinion based on that one impression.

Suppose we had come in, introduced ourselves in a more civil manner, were here for a couple of months with no problems whatsoever, and then Quagun made that ridiculous thread as a joke, after you had gotten to know us a little bit. I can almost guarantee that you would not be seeking to get us banned based on that one offense. I suppose this is why you are a poster and not a forum moderator. Your sense of justice is completely skewed.
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Postby suggs on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:30 pm

let them all in
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Postby Strife on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:32 pm

JDodge wrote:Sigh...

It's sad that it has come to this; a mere introduction being a gateway to a hell of persecution just for being friends with each other.

I was looking forward to becoming a part of this community, but now...
When entering a "community" you don't start off by saying that everyone who doesn't know what a certain thing is, is excluded. :roll:
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Postby Anarkistsdream on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:32 pm

Glork wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:I seriously doubt that you and all your lame friends will be welcomed here after your introduction...

At the moment, I am trying to get you all banned.

Thank You.
You see, this is exactly the kind of threatened behavior that is detrimental to a community. You are stuck on a first impression based on certain posters' antics and are completely unwilling to change your opinion based on that one impression.

Suppose we had come in, introduced ourselves in a more civil manner, were here for a couple of months with no problems whatsoever, and then Quagun made that ridiculous thread as a joke, after you had gotten to know us a little bit. I can almost guarantee that you would not be seeking to get us banned based on that one offense. I suppose this is why you are a poster and not a forum moderator. Your sense of justice is completely skewed.


How is that skewed?

You obviously understand why I feel that way, and I guarantee you would feel the same were it you.

You are totally correct with your above post... But that is not the way it happened, so why should I even consider that?
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Postby JDodge on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:33 pm

Strife wrote:
JDodge wrote:Sigh...

It's sad that it has come to this; a mere introduction being a gateway to a hell of persecution just for being friends with each other.

I was looking forward to becoming a part of this community, but now...
When entering a "community" you don't start off by saying that everyone who doesn't know what a certain thing is, is excluded. :roll:


When did I ever say anything of the sort?

I even embraced the fact when it was made known.
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Postby Strife on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:35 pm

JDodge wrote:
Strife wrote:
JDodge wrote:Sigh...

It's sad that it has come to this; a mere introduction being a gateway to a hell of persecution just for being friends with each other.

I was looking forward to becoming a part of this community, but now...
When entering a "community" you don't start off by saying that everyone who doesn't know what a certain thing is, is excluded. :roll:


When did I ever say anything of the sort?

I even embraced the fact when it was made known.
What fact? I'm talking about the group of acc's that are in question on the level of multi, who are/is the same people/person who posted the locked thread. ;)
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Postby misterman10 on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:35 pm

Oh, so you guys were just creating some psychological experiment.

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Postby suggs on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:35 pm

welcome boys. Come in, have a cuppa tea, make yourself feel at home.
I'd kick off with a bit of spamming, if i were you. Its pretty dull round here at the moment.
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Postby soundout9 on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:36 pm

Strife wrote:
JDodge wrote:Sigh...

It's sad that it has come to this; a mere introduction being a gateway to a hell of persecution just for being friends with each other.

I was looking forward to becoming a part of this community, but now...
When entering a "community" you don't start off by saying that everyone who doesn't know what a certain thing is, is excluded. :roll:

Maybe you should not have entered with 5 multi's and/or "friends" and start well like strife said....exclude everyone else. Thats what clans are for :roll:
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Postby unriggable on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:36 pm

We care, glork. We listen.
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Postby diecpedie on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:38 pm

soundout9 wrote:
Strife wrote:
JDodge wrote:Sigh...

It's sad that it has come to this; a mere introduction being a gateway to a hell of persecution just for being friends with each other.

I was looking forward to becoming a part of this community, but now...
When entering a "community" you don't start off by saying that everyone who doesn't know what a certain thing is, is excluded. :roll:

Maybe you should not have entered with 5 multi's and/or "friends" and start well like strife said....exclude everyone else. Thats what clans are for :roll:


Ah, another gullible nitwit fooled by our cunning experiment. At this rate we'll get the whole forum posting.

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Postby Glork on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:40 pm

Strife wrote:
JDodge wrote:Sigh...

It's sad that it has come to this; a mere introduction being a gateway to a hell of persecution just for being friends with each other.

I was looking forward to becoming a part of this community, but now...
When entering a "community" you don't start off by saying that everyone who doesn't know what a certain thing is, is excluded. :roll:
With all due respect, we know that when entering a community with any intent to stick around for a lengthy duration, the goal is to be included.

It seems obvious to me that the "elitist" attitude with which we introduced ourselves was probably a mistake. As I indicated earlier, the intent was to be so ridiculous, you'd get the impression "okay, all of these guys know each other, but they're just a little insane." Clearly, that didn't go over well. At all.


Anarkist wrote:You obviously understand why I feel that way, and I guarantee you would feel the same were it you.
I don't believe I would. I've made wonderful and horrible first impressions, and I've had others make both on me. If there is one thing I've learned in my life, it's that first impressions are the most misleading, useless impressions possible. They automatically come with a "label" that is often unwarranted, because extended behavior in the long run is what's really important -- whether it's "oh, he's been here forever, we can forgive him this one time" or "oh, he screwed up -- live and learn, I suppose."

I do understand why you feel the way you do, and I don't fault you for that attitude at all. The entire point of this thread is that I don't want a terrible mistake to scar our presence here. That won't help anybody.

If you are unwilling to keep an open mind whatsoever, I'd be perfectly happy to exist on this forum without associating with you. I'm perfectly capable of being mature about you not liking us, and I would hope that you are, too.
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Postby misterman10 on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:42 pm

On a more serious note, is this what the OFC was planning? If so, hats off to your stupidity.
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Postby HayesA on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:43 pm

Hi, welcome to the forums of Conquer Club. Enjoy your stay here, but I may suggest checking your brain at the door. D:

If you continue down this path, I may suggest you reconsider simply staying in the back; because it's apparently very easy to get banned here. Just a small tib-bit of a suggestion from one member to another.

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Postby Anarkistsdream on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:43 pm

Frankly, you have no claim to come in this thread and tell me whether or not I am accepting of you or anyone else.

I had not even seen your idiotic first thread that was already locked.

I saw the mafia thread in the games forum.

You are the ones who jumped up and down like children with bad attitudes... Hence, I assume the oldest one of you is around 14.

That's okay... When I was a child, I did stupid things too... But you and your 'crew' need to apologize and then try to work with the rest of the community, not expect us to just accept you.

Oh, and you should change the name of this thread from Sociological Experiment to Trolling with Extreme Prejudice, as that is what you little boys did today.
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Postby everlong1289 on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:45 pm

I'm glad to see that some people on this forum do not jump to conclusions and are actually acceptable people.
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Postby MeDeFe on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:45 pm

quagunsan wrote:We're placing "Other forum" in the headline because we don't want any of the idiots from this forum coming to ours.

If you don't know what this thread is about, don't post. Anyone who does will get slaughtered.

Discuss.

You didn't think that the highlighted parts would be enough to provoke a post, just to spite the author? And you claim it was a social experiment, you truly amaze me... Anyway, the following posts weren't any better, caps lock is a practically failsafe way of getting yourself flamed. Add random quotes from other threads, abuse of smilies and more "get the f*ck out of here and leave us alone"-posts, then the fact that 7 of the posters joined on the same day, now really, anyone could have told you what would happen. And here you are, acting all disappointed, well, kid, you had it coming. And I feel there's more of the same headed your way, this is not a threat btw, it's a prediction.
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Postby Strife on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:46 pm

Glork wrote:
Strife wrote:
JDodge wrote:Sigh...

It's sad that it has come to this; a mere introduction being a gateway to a hell of persecution just for being friends with each other.

I was looking forward to becoming a part of this community, but now...
When entering a "community" you don't start off by saying that everyone who doesn't know what a certain thing is, is excluded. :roll:
With all due respect, we know that when entering a community with any intent to stick around for a lengthy duration, the goal is to be included.


It seems obvious to me that the "elitist" attitude with which we introduced ourselves was probably a mistake. As I indicated earlier, the intent was to be so ridiculous, you'd get the impression "okay, all of these guys know each other, but they're just a little insane." Clearly, that didn't go over well. At all.[/qoute] When it comes to multi's I'm like the mod's I give people the benefit of the doubt, sometimes to people it seems unreasonable, which it it. You have seemingly all played several games with each other, and I have done the same with some of my friends. So, I have no problem of you all being multi's really.(BOD) But, If you want a warm welcome offer a warm arival. - If you knwo what I mean bout the last part. You don't run in here trigger happy and saying that "nobody can talk here but us, GFY guys you suck." If you wanted someplace where all you can post you go to the help tab and fill out an e-ticket. ;)
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Postby JDodge on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:46 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:Frankly, you have no claim to come in this thread and tell me whether or not I am accepting of you or anyone else.

I had not even seen your idiotic first thread that was already locked.

I saw the mafia thread in the games forum.

You are the ones who jumped up and down like children with bad attitudes... Hence, I assume the oldest one of you is around 14.

That's okay... When I was a child, I did stupid things too... But you and your 'crew' need to apologize and then try to work with the rest of the community, not expect us to just accept you.


I am perfectly content to offer my apologies; however, I feel that we are also owed an apology by the people who initially greeted us, and then accused us of being alts; and then when we tried to defend ourselves against the accusations, just simply decided that it would be best to ignore our arguments and attack us.
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Postby Anarkistsdream on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:48 pm

Then those people should apologize... As I said, I didn't even see that original thread.

I would expect them to do so as well, but look at what the first post in that new thread contained...

You will receive no apologies from them, I assume, as you all started out by being total dicks.
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Postby FiveThreeEight on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:48 pm

Glork wrote:
Strife wrote:
JDodge wrote:Sigh...

It's sad that it has come to this; a mere introduction being a gateway to a hell of persecution just for being friends with each other.

I was looking forward to becoming a part of this community, but now...
When entering a "community" you don't start off by saying that everyone who doesn't know what a certain thing is, is excluded. :roll:
With all due respect, we know that when entering a community with any intent to stick around for a lengthy duration, the goal is to be included.

It seems obvious to me that the "elitist" attitude with which we introduced ourselves was probably a mistake. As I indicated earlier, the intent was to be so ridiculous, you'd get the impression "okay, all of these guys know each other, but they're just a little insane." Clearly, that didn't go over well. At all.


Anarkist wrote:You obviously understand why I feel that way, and I guarantee you would feel the same were it you.
I don't believe I would. I've made wonderful and horrible first impressions, and I've had others make both on me. If there is one thing I've learned in my life, it's that first impressions are the most misleading, useless impressions possible. They automatically come with a "label" that is often unwarranted, because extended behavior in the long run is what's really important -- whether it's "oh, he's been here forever, we can forgive him this one time" or "oh, he screwed up -- live and learn, I suppose."

I do understand why you feel the way you do, and I don't fault you for that attitude at all. The entire point of this thread is that I don't want a terrible mistake to scar our presence here. That won't help anybody.

If you are unwilling to keep an open mind whatsoever, I'd be perfectly happy to exist on this forum without associating with you. I'm perfectly capable of being mature about you not liking us, and I would hope that you are, too.


You have to understand that this forum sees a lot of action from "multis." The way you introduced yourself was suspicious, to say the least. You weren't very smart to enter the way you did, and you weren't welcomed because of it. This is a great community, one that I think you would want to be a part of. However, why not just sit back and view it for a bit, then make your entrance? That may have worked out better.
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Postby soundout9 on Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:48 pm

JDodge wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:Frankly, you have no claim to come in this thread and tell me whether or not I am accepting of you or anyone else.

I had not even seen your idiotic first thread that was already locked.

I saw the mafia thread in the games forum.

You are the ones who jumped up and down like children with bad attitudes... Hence, I assume the oldest one of you is around 14.

That's okay... When I was a child, I did stupid things too... But you and your 'crew' need to apologize and then try to work with the rest of the community, not expect us to just accept you.


I am perfectly content to offer my apologies; however, I feel that we are also owed an apology by the people who initially greeted us, and then accused us of being alts; and then when we tried to defend ourselves against the accusations, just simply decided that it would be best to ignore our arguments and attack us.

I don't. You all just came here to spam. Make a clan that way you can spam in there with out the rest of us having to see it.

Dont make a thread telling everyone to stay out.
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