For or Against Bush

[jay_a2j]

no, this...

If the poor are no longer poor, the democrats LOSE VOTES! Which is why welfare is DESIGNED to keep people poor!

...is insane. Please tell me you don't actually believe that the welfare system exists to keep poor voters in poverty. That's not republicanism, that's tinfoil hat scary.

Name 1 person who has used the welfare system to succeed in life? They don't succeed untill they pull themselves up by the bootstraps and go out and get a job until welfare is no longer needed. Welfare does NOT make people RESPONSIBLE for the benifits that they recieve. Its a total joke. If I wanted I could quit my job and run down to the welfare office and get the taxpayers to support me! Welfare should be set up so you have a MAX time limit on it. AND during that time you would be given career training to help you find work!! But welfare doesn't do that...why? Cause they want you on it. Otherwise they would MAKE welfare recipiants WORK for their benifits or deny them!

[heavycola]

If I wanted I could quit my job and run down to the welfare office and get the taxpayers to support me!

Why do people have this idea that living on welfare is fun, or a choice that anyone would make? I was on the dole for a short while a few years back and I had a miserable time. Being poor is not a lifestyle choice

Name 1 person who has used the welfare system to succeed in life?

Define 'success'. If that means making lots of money, living in a big house and being able to argue that people below the breadline should have their benefits taken away - all of which are approved of by jesus, i am sure - then no. But if success is defined by a parent as feeding & clothing their kids and putting a roof over their heads, than yes. There are a lot of people in the UK - and in the US too, I am sure - for whom welfare makes the difference between being simply poor and living in dangerous poverty. WWJD? he lived on handouts from time to time

[jay_a2j]

Why do people have this idea that living on welfare is fun, or a choice that anyone would make? I was on the dole for a short while a few years back and I had a miserable time. Being poor is not a lifestyle choice

Let me be VERY clear. I am not speaking from inexpeariance. There was a time when I was forced to utilize the social service system. And I remember the day I told the lady in the welfare office that I would drag a cardboard box onto her front steps before I'd apply for welfare again. It is the most humiliating thing I can think of to walk into a welfare office. But I am speaking for myself, because I have self-pride. I used to live in an appartment complex and it was jam packed full of welfare recipiants. I'd come home from college and see guys sitting in the parking lot EVERY day . Looked able bodied to me, working on thier trucks or cars. Why not get a job? Why anyone would settle for the humiliation of being on welfare when they CAN work is beyond be. LAZINESS is the only reason I can think of.

Define 'success'. If that means making lots of money, living in a big house and being able to argue that people below the breadline should have their benefits taken away - all of which are approved of by jesus, i am sure - then no. But if success is defined by a parent as feeding & clothing their kids and putting a roof over their heads, than yes. There are a lot of people in the UK - and in the US too, I am sure - for whom welfare makes the difference between being simply poor and living in dangerous poverty. WWJD? he lived on handouts from time to time

No, success is different for everyone. But getting off welfare would be a "first" success. There is a difference from being poor and being poor because you are lazy. WWJD? God helps those who help themselves. There are far too many people getting a free ride through life because they don't want to work.

[heavycola]

There was a time when I was forced to utilize the social service system. And I remember the day I told the lady in the welfare office that I would drag a cardboard box onto her front steps before I'd apply for welfare again. It is the most humiliating thing I can think of to walk into a welfare office

so why didn't you instantly walk into a job? Laziness?

[gav88111]

George Bush=oilman, Dick Cheney=oilman
Iraq=oil
oil= gasoline
gasoline= outrageously priced


The rich get richer at any price!

[jay_a2j]

There was a time when I was forced to utilize the social service system. And I remember the day I told the lady in the welfare office that I would drag a cardboard box onto her front steps before I'd apply for welfare again. It is the most humiliating thing I can think of to walk into a welfare office

so why didn't you instantly walk into a job? Laziness?

LOL.......do you even realize the number of people on welfare that DON'T WANT TO WORK. People that have been on it for years and never even go out and LOOK for a job! There has NEVER been a time in my life that I was unemployed and sitting on the couch at home eating bon bons, watching tv waiting for the ole' welfare check. Even when on welfare I was doing everything humanly possible to get off it! (outside of breaking the law of course)

[reverend_kyle]

I am totally for bush.. Pussy rocks.

[Caleb the Cruel]

i want nader or mccain for 2008

[Econ2000]

well, as for reply to the person that said "y dont u complainers run for president" I am 10 and I was born in durham, england

[reverend_kyle]

i want nader or mccain for 2008

why so people will like them? then you can hate them?

[P Gizzle]

i think that no matter what, the media will control if people like or hate the president.

[Caleb the Cruel]

I am 10

rofl
i should've known

[heavycola]

There has NEVER been a time in my life that I was unemployed and sitting on the couch at home eating bon bons, watching tv waiting for the ole' welfare check. Even when on welfare I was doing everything humanly possible to get off it! (outside of breaking the law of course)

Congratulations on being the only american on welfare who actually wanted to work.

By the way - I don't suppose you have any idea of the number of people on welfare who do nothing but eat sweets and watch TV all day, but i suppose you have some ill-informed assumption that will serve instead.

[jay_a2j]

There has NEVER been a time in my life that I was unemployed and sitting on the couch at home eating bon bons, watching tv waiting for the ole' welfare check. Even when on welfare I was doing everything humanly possible to get off it! (outside of breaking the law of course)

Congratulations on being the only american on welfare who actually wanted to work.

By the way - I don't suppose you have any idea of the number of people on welfare who do nothing but eat sweets and watch TV all day, but i suppose you have some ill-informed assumption that will serve instead.

I've seen it time and again. The facts are the US/state govornments are paying millions of people to be LAZY.

[heavycola]

Jay this actually has me gobsmacked.

YOU were on welfare - it helped you get through hard times - and you tried your hardest to get back to work.

EVERYONE ELSE on welfare is a lazy good-for-nothing.

This is staggering. Again i congratulate you on being the only worthy welfare recipient ever.

[jay_a2j]

Jay this actually has me gobsmacked.

YOU were on welfare - it helped you get through hard times - and you tried your hardest to get back to work.

EVERYONE ELSE on welfare is a lazy good-for-nothing.

This is staggering. Again i congratulate you on being the only worthy welfare recipient ever.

No it didn't help me get off welfare. It sustained me until I got myself off welfare. And stop putting words in my mouth. I never said I was the only one who used welfare for what it was intended to do. I mearly am pointing out that FAR too many people use welfare as a way of life.

[heavycola]

No it didn't help me get off welfare

don't put words in my mouth, then - i said it helped you through hard times. As you say, it sustained you. So what about the millions of others that are in a similar situation? Should they all be left utterly destitute because others take advantage? What would jesus do?

Hint:

"Woe to you that are rich, for you have received your consolation. Woe to you that are full now, for you shall hunger. Woe to you that laugh now, for you shall mourn and weep."
Luke 6: 20, 21,24 & 25

"Happy are those concerned for the poor; The Lord will help them when they are in trouble."
Psalm 41:1

[jay_a2j]

No it didn't help me get off welfare

don't put words in my mouth, then - i said it helped you through hard times. As you say, it sustained you. So what about the millions of others that are in a similar situation? Should they all be left utterly destitute because others take advantage? What would jesus do?

Hint:

"Woe to you that are rich, for you have received your consolation. Woe to you that are full now, for you shall hunger. Woe to you that laugh now, for you shall mourn and weep."
Luke 6: 20, 21,24 & 25

"Happy are those concerned for the poor; The Lord will help them when they are in trouble."
Psalm 41:1

"The lord" not the state. There is nothing wrong with using welfare to sustain you for a time. But 12 years is a bit much (one case I know of)

[vtmarik]

"The lord" not the state. There is nothing wrong with using welfare to sustain you for a time. But 12 years is a bit much (one case I know of)

You know of one person who's living off of welfare and has been for 12 years.

That's one person.

Just one.

Uno.


Doesn't sound like evidence of an indicative pattern to me.

[ZeoEmpire]

Bush approve Rating has droped worse than Micheal Jackson

[wicked]

oops I thought we were voting for or against Master Bush.

[kingwaffles]

I just want to say thank you to Heavycola for actually having the time and patience to argue with Jay as I would love to but Just fon't have the time... Oh yeah, you said gobsmakced, which makes you awesome

[Jolly Roger]

Oops

[reverend_kyle]

oops I thought we were voting for or against Master Bush.

So Did I and 45 other people... the one person voting for the president was jay.

[jay_a2j]

oops I thought we were voting for or against Master Bush.

So Did I and 45 other people... the one person voting for the president was jay.

Silly liberal, I didn't vote in this poll.